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so i have the space marine codex the space wolves codex and the blood angels codex and i cant decide on a chapter to play as this is what i got

hq
one captain
one chaplian on a bike
one command squad with apothecary champion and a chapter banner

troops
3 10 man squads right now flamer missile launcher set up two of the sgts have power fists
15 scouts with 5 sniper rifles 1 missile launcher one heavy bolter

elites
one dreadnought with close combat and multa melta
5 termies with storm bolters 4 power fist one power weapon

fast
8 bikes with one plasma pistol one plasma gun one melta sgt with power sword
1 attack bike with heavy bolter
5 assault marines one with plasma pistol sgt with power fist and combat sheild
one land speeder with typhoon missile launcher multa melta
heavy
predator with twin linked lascannon and side lascannons
land raider with heavy bolter and lascannons
devastor squad sgt with sigum 2 lascannons 2 plasma cannons one multa melta

transports
2 rhinos

so any ideas from you guys would be great and please explain why that chapter would be good and this all i have to work with for the time being. i want to make a fluffy list that would be fun to play. THE ONLY CHAPTER I WILL NOT PLAY AS IS ULTRAMARINES UNLESS SOMEONE CAN REALLY SELL THE CHAPTER TO ME

Why don't you do a successor chapter of the blood angels cos they get the storm-raven which is fast attack and just awesome when used properly and you can do your own paint scheme too

Blood angels hands down. Storm raven AND red thirst.... so basically fly into battle, and ruthelessly murderer your foes with the everliving rage of imperial vampires. More or less......

Have to agree with Blood Angels. Get an astorath and play them as DC then your really cooking with fire

How would i make what i have into a good blood angels list cause i dont have that many assault marines

You can do a regular marine list. They aren't bad like that. Or you can count your tacticals as Assault Marines without jump packs and get cheap rhinos

Ok it seems like blood angels so far are the army to play ill have to try them out and go from there

HQ- Tycho-175
HG- 1 Blood Champion, 1 Sanguinary Novitiate, 1 Chapter Banner Bearer, 1 Veterans w/ Infernus Pistol and Lightning Claw, 1 Veteran-195
DT 1- Razorback-55
Elite- 5 Terminators w/Cyclone-230
Troop 1- 10 Assault Marines w/ Backpacks-190
DT 2- Rhino-15
Troop 2- 10 Assault Marines w/ Backpacks-190
DT 3- Rhino-15
Troop 3- 10 Assault Marines w/ Backpacks-190
DT 4- Rhino-15
Fast Attack- 5 Bikes w/ Plasma Gun and Meltagun Sergeant w/ Power Weapon, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta-230
Total-1500

Thats what I pieced together with what you had, its not great but its workable

One of the problems i will have is that at the store i play at they are making flyers act as skimmers. I do enjoy assault armies so i will try them but i do like shooty armies alot

simple really a flyer is a flyer if they don't like it they should go play somewhere that isnt in a store because thats effectively breaking the rules of a game so if they are making flyers into skimmers enforce the rules.

thank you for the list if I like playing as the blood angels. it seems like i will have to get some assault packs

Well, or go vanilla marines. That, by far, is your best matchup. I mean, you already have the start of a bike or bike-hybrid list which can only be made with codex marines. Also, you have a lot of shooting, which also favors regular marines.

If you're going to do BA, you're going to need to buy a lot of stuff, especially assault marines, and likely a bunch of BA-specific stuff like sanguiniary priests, etc. Not to say that you can't run BA if you want to run BA, but if you're looking for the best fit for what you already have, I question if BA is the best choice here.

As for vanilla marines, there are plenty of other chapters other than ultramarines to run one's fluff as. I mean, you have the SM codex already. I'd take a look through the fluff section again, skipping over the ultramarines parts.

As for vanilla marines, there are plenty of other chapters other than ultramarines to run one's fluff as. I mean, you have the SM codex already. I'd take a look through the fluff section again, skipping over the ultramarines parts.

Id say get Korsarro Khan and run a White Scars bike list. They have some good fluff being one of the original legions and you have the flexability of alot of diffrent kind of lists in the C:SM codex.

 Brother Sergeant Bob wrote:
Id say get Korsarro Khan and run a White Scars bike list. They have some good fluff being one of the original legions and you have the flexability of alot of diffrent kind of lists in the C:SM codex.

I was thinking about that but if i was to run a bike list wouldn't it be better to run a DA army cause of the ravenwing and the deathwing

well ravenwing are good if you have sameal as he makes them all troops and also gives great upgrades for his guys so DA allies could be a good idea but for now you should focus on what your doing with your main detachment.

With all the bikes, it seems vanilla marines would be the best choice.

I agree about going with vanilla Marines, thanks to the bikes and speeders... for now. The new Dark Angels codex (when it arrives) may present a better option eventually.
As for what Chapter - don't worry too much about making it fit a particular Codex. If you like a particular Chapter's fluff, then run with that. If not, make up your own! It'll be a hell of a lot easier to paint a colour scheme that you not only like, but have a personal attachment to.

Decent mix of units, why not make up your own Chapter? Think up some fluff and a paint scheme. More fun than just copying stuff out of a book.

Vanilla book provides suggestions as to the parent Chapter; you've got a lot of infantry and armor, which suggests an Imperial Fists successor, but an Ultramarines successor would work just as well (for the record Ultramarines successor Chapters end up deviating a lot more significantly from their parent Chapter than most).

If you had your heart set on using an alternate book, I'd advise avoiding Space Wolves and Blood Angels; Space Wolves require a lot of conversion work and Blood Angels require a lot more Assault Marines. If you're going to look into Dark Angels you'd likely need more Terminators, Bikes, and Land Speeders since that's what they do really well.

You may also want to try to get the Land Speeder's multi-melta swapped back to a heavy bolter since the point of the speeder is to stay a long ways away and snipe people, meaning that there's not a lot of point in investing in a weapon that requires you to get inside 12" to use at full effectiveness.

Thank you all on posting on this and giving me some good info. that is one thing i like about this game the community is always helping the new players.

after talking to some of the guys that i play with at the store i am thinking of doing the black Templar

terrorvesre77 wrote:
thank you for the list if I like playing as the blood angels. it seems like i will have to get some assault packs

No you don't, just use the regular marines as the jumppackless assault marines. That gives you the cheap rhinos

But doesn't that take away from the point of playing blood angels. i always thought that playing BA was to see the look on your opponent's face when they see 40+ assault marines

It used to be... unfortunately, the tactic's taken a knock as shooting gets a boost in 6th ed, and we can no longer start fully in reserve to make the most of Descent of Angels.

It IS still just about viable if you play it canny, though - speaking from experience here - and if you do, lots of cheap Assault marines backed up with a couple of rock-hard units like DC or SG is the way to go.

Ultramarines are great. Opponents think they will stop you. I'm 9-1-1 since 6th. All it really takes is tactics. Doesn't have to be ultramarines but cannula are great. I use master of the forge conversin Beamer. Thunderfire cannon. And scouts with sniper rifles. That's the core of my army and from there I either add bikes assault marines or storm talons as my fast. 10 man devastors combat squad them giving you a lot of fire power and saving the heavy weapons in the back. Telion is amazing with scouts adding camo. +2 to your cover. Bolster defense with master of the forge or techmarine gunner with thunder fire cannon. Standard troops and stern guard sweeten the deal.

Ask then "who's the best?"
And only one name will call
The Black Templars
The greatest chapter of them all

I am still having a hard time deciding what to use my marines as so i am thinking of having to do so research on the fluff of the chapters and decide from there

So i have decide on what chapter i am going to do it is going to be the Dark Angels this is what i have now thanks to my buddy for give me some DA stuff

hq
one chapter master with combi-plasma 125pts
one librarian 120pts
one interrogator chaplain 135pts
Sammael in landspeeder 205pts
Belial 130pts
one chaplain in termie armor 145pts
one chaplian on a bike 130pts
one command squad with apothecary champion and a chapter banner with plasma pistol 175pts

troops 
10 man squads right now flamer missile launcher 180pts
10 man squad flamer multi-melta sgt power fist 205pts
10 man squad flamer missle launcher sgt power fist 205pts
10 man squad plasma gun and plasma cannon sgt plasma pistol 210

elites
one dreadnought with close combat and multa melta 125pts
5 termies with storm bolters 4 power fist one power weapon 215pts
5 termies with chainfist and assault cannon 250pts
5 scouts with one heavy bolter 95pts
5man scout 5sniper rifles 105pts
fast 
6 bikes with one plasma gun and melta gun and 1 attack bike with heavy bolter 295pts
3 bikes with one plasam gun and sgt with power sword 150pts
5 assault marines one with plasma pistol sgt with power fist and combat sheild 175pts
one land speeder with typhoon missile launcher multa melta 75pts

heavy 
predator with twin linked lascannon and side lascannons 165pts
land raider with heavy bolter and lascannons 250pts
devastor squad sgt with sigum 2 lascannons 2 plasma cannons 210pts

transports
2 rhinos 70pts


total 4025pts