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For a 15 man, unmarked squad of CSM what are the pros and cons of veterans of the long war vs icon of vengeance. Basically +1 LD or fearlessness. Opinions and personal preferences?

Votlw grants hatred too...serious value at one point a pop

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:
Votlw grants hatred too...serious value at one point a pop

*Hatred half the armies in the game.

against IG, Tau, CWE or DE it's not like you need it as they dont seek combat very often but Nids, other CSM, Newcrons, Daemons, and Orks it would be nice to have but you dont get it.

But you do have +1Ld, which is just a steal for the points.

VotLW is a serious bargain for the cost.

 thecapn226 wrote:
For a 15 man, unmarked squad of CSM what are the pros and cons of veterans of the long war vs icon of vengeance. Basically +1 LD or fearlessness. Opinions and personal preferences?

bascailly +1 ld isnt why you buy VotLW, hatred space marines is. If you think you are going to be playing space marines of some kind and will see combat, you definitely want VotLW.

if you are taking a small backfield unit, like havocs. Then you want VotLW, its so cheap and you might as well.

For large squads, take the icon, icons are expensive and easy to kill. but if they arent killed they are great to have around. They also give +1 combat res. Meaning when that dreadknight comes up, you challenge him(because you have to) and then lose combat you dont break anyway, as you didnt lose combat.

 Exergy wrote:

 thecapn226 wrote:
For a 15 man, unmarked squad of CSM what are the pros and cons of veterans of the long war vs icon of vengeance. Basically +1 LD or fearlessness. Opinions and personal preferences?

bascailly +1 ld isnt why you buy VotLW, hatred space marines is. If you think you are going to be playing space marines of some kind and will see combat, you definitely want VotLW.

if you are taking a small backfield unit, like havocs. Then you want VotLW, its so cheap and you might as well.

For large squads, take the icon, icons are expensive and easy to kill. but if they arent killed they are great to have around. They also give +1 combat res. Meaning when that dreadknight comes up, you challenge him(because you have to) and then lose combat you dont break anyway, as you didnt lose combat.

I humbly disagree. +1 leadership is exactly why I buy VotLW. 10 leadership for squads and maintaining the ability to got to ground. Yes please. Strictly speaking for a standard CSM squad and even Havocs. Not cult marines, HQs and the like.