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How are 2 predator tanks in a dark angels army for 1850 points?

Got a squad of 10 knights whit belial deepstriking and the scout snippers in an imperial building whit quad gun.
rest not sure yet.

That's... kind of a hard question to answer because of all the things to take into consideration and not that much info given.

But two Predators should be easy enough to fit into 1850 points, and they're not bad units... so why not?

 tvih wrote:
That's... kind of a hard question to answer because of all the things to take into consideration and not that much info given.

But two Predators should be easy enough to fit into 1850 points, and they're not bad units... so why not?

Yea stil thinking About the rest but the idea is to put a predator on each Side
Of the tower. But never played whit tanks Thats why the qeustion.

They are decent just don't use the twin linked lascannon turret

 captain collius wrote:
They are decent just don't use the twin linked lascannon turret

Why wouldn't you?

Yea why not ?
I play against ig most of time, and he use lot of tanks so i can use lasscannons

the 2 shot autocannon is generally better than a 1 shot twinlinked lascannon as most guard tank will kill you after one shot.

I love the look of it but in terms of functionality and ability for cost the autocannon wins.

 CIsaac wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
They are decent just don't use the twin linked lascannon turret

Why wouldn't you?

I'd say that it simply depends upon what your intent for the tank is. As pointed out, there seems to be a lot more effectiveness with the autocannon. If you're trying to snipe other tanks, it's a pricey gamble to use the TL: Lascannon.

 captain collius wrote:
the 2 shot autocannon is generally better than a 1 shot twinlinked lascannon as most guard tank will kill you after one shot.

I love the look of it but in terms of functionality and ability for cost the autocannon wins.

This is not true in the slightest. One lascannon with an 86% chance to hit is remarkably better than a 2 shot autocannon, and has a much wider threat-range.

Not to mention "most guard tanks will kill you after one shot" is a drastic overestimation. Guard tanks are good, not that good.

Can DA take Lascannon sponsons? If so, Lascannon sponsons and an Autocannon turret sounds pretty reasonable. Autocannons can't pen AV14, but lascannons rip and tear everything. Taking both gives you the best of both worlds.

If not, then you could just have one Autocannon Predator and one Lascannon Predator. That works, right?

 xSPYXEx wrote:
Can DA take Lascannon sponsons? If so, Lascannon sponsons and an Autocannon turret sounds pretty reasonable. Autocannons can't pen AV14, but lascannons rip and tear everything. Taking both gives you the best of both worlds.

If not, then you could just have one Autocannon Predator and one Lascannon Predator. That works, right?

The common loadouts are

Autocannon/Heavy Bolters

Autocannon/Lascannons

Twin-linked Lascannon/Lascannons

All of them are good; number two and three are the best for DA, who lack long range tankbusting.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 captain collius wrote:
the 2 shot autocannon is generally better than a 1 shot twinlinked lascannon as most guard tank will kill you after one shot.

I love the look of it but in terms of functionality and ability for cost the autocannon wins.

This is not true in the slightest. One lascannon with an 86% chance to hit is remarkably better than a 2 shot autocannon, and has a much wider threat-range.

Not to mention "most guard tanks will kill you after one shot" is a drastic overestimation. Guard tanks are good, not that good.

armor 13 on the front and barrage hits on the sides at av 11 so in my experience it is far more likely


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 TheCaptain wrote:

 xSPYXEx wrote:
Can DA take Lascannon sponsons? If so, Lascannon sponsons and an Autocannon turret sounds pretty reasonable. Autocannons can't pen AV14, but lascannons rip and tear everything. Taking both gives you the best of both worlds.

If not, then you could just have one Autocannon Predator and one Lascannon Predator. That works, right?

The common loadouts are

Autocannon/Heavy Bolters

Autocannon/Lascannons

Twin-linked Lascannon/Lascannons

All of them are good; number two and three are the best for DA, who lack long range tankbusting.

Number two is actually best in my opinion

I prefer the Autocannon/Las Sponsons loadout myself. It gives you good antitank, means you can take on light vehicles and not feel its a waste of lascannon shots (like I would if it was pure lascannons), and its cheaper than the all lascannon loadout.

Tr-Las has good values with the new point cost. (Same as they were in 4th ed basically)
With the new vehicle damage table, LC is solid.

Okay. Lets look at it this way:

All lascannon predator is 140 points with 3 TL lascannon shots.

Autocannon turent lascannon spontons is 120 points if I remember correctly.


For comparison

A devastator squad with 4 Lascannons is 150

Vindicator with siege shield is 135

I know from past experience playing a Deathwing assault vs enemy tanks I needed the extra "Can openers" How you get them is really up to you.

Ralis wrote:
Okay. Lets look at it this way:

All lascannon predator is 140 points with 3 TL lascannon shots.

Autocannon turent lascannon spontons is 120 points if I remember correctly.


For comparison

A devastator squad with 4 Lascannons is 150

Vindicator with siege shield is 135

I know from past experience playing a Deathwing assault vs enemy tanks I needed the extra "Can openers" How you get them is really up to you.

The squad looks like a Nice pick also 3+ save better then 3 hull points :p

bieren wrote:
The squad looks like a Nice pick also 3+ save better then 3 hull points :p

Except a tank can't be killed by general infantry, and if a Space Marine is getting hit by an anti tank weapon, then their armor save probably won't do much.

For DA I suggest the Tri-Las over the Auto-Las. It's not as expensive as it was in codex marines, and it provides a significant amount of ranged fire. Additionally, Autocannons are one of the most over-rated weapons in 6th, while they are better at stripping HP on low-AV targets, against a lot of targets the las-cannon is better, particularly when on a BS4 carrier. If the prices were the same as codex marines I'd be all over auto-las, but with only a 25 point difference between the two, there is a much more compelling argument to switch to 3 las cannons.

 xSPYXEx wrote:

bieren wrote:
The squad looks like a Nice pick also 3+ save better then 3 hull points :p

Except a tank can't be killed by general infantry, and if a Space Marine is getting hit by an anti tank weapon, then their armor save probably won't do much.

Wait, what? Tanks are immune to infantry?

Nivek5150 wrote:

 xSPYXEx wrote:

bieren wrote:
The squad looks like a Nice pick also 3+ save better then 3 hull points :p

Except a tank can't be killed by general infantry, and if a Space Marine is getting hit by an anti tank weapon, then their armor save probably won't do much.

Wait, what? Tanks are immune to infantry?

Yes and no. A bolter shot can't glance the front or side of a predator, whereas a bolter can kill a marine (it takes an average of 9 MEQ bolter shots to kill a single marine). Plasma is also more effective against Marines then against a Predator. Predators are also more maneuverable than a Devestator squad, meaning that it can do a better job at firing and remaining out of range of melta and other true anti-tank threats. Basically, Vehicles with an AV above 10 are immune to standard infantry fire at the cost of potentially being 1-shot by dedicated anti-armor weapons (which are still fairly effective against MEQs).

I was never a fan of the autocannon+2x lascannon build. It's a case of mixing weapons that are usually not best spent on the same target. Want to shoot at that fat Battlewagon or Leman Russ? Well good for you, your autocannon just became useless, while your sponson guns have to do all the work. Crap against AV13 too.

Granted I mostly play as Templars, so there the Tri-las build is only 20 points more than AC+2xLas, but then again the same is now true for DA. For C:SM tri-las indeed gets too expensive, with the TLLC turret costing a whopping 45 points instead of 20.

For rule of cool TLLC+2xHBolter looks the best though, too bad it's a silly configuration to use

As for non-tank options the new DA devastators are pretty good as well. 150 points for 4 lascannons hiding behind an Aegis or in a ruin is not a bad deal at all! Frankly if Templars had such a unit, I'd probably use them and Vindicators rather than Predators.

Realy considering the squad because of the 3+ save against no save for a tank.
Also I realy like the dread model whit lasscannon and missellauncher and mabey the extra armor.

bieren wrote:
Realy considering the squad because of the 3+ save against no save for a tank.
Also I realy like the dread model whit lasscannon and missellauncher and mabey the extra armor.

Tanks could get cover save, granted it's not 3+ most of the time, but fewer weapons can hurt it to begin with.