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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 11:10:45
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Reading - UK
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Has anyone used him yet in a cool way?
He's actually pretty good for 105 points base:
WS 5, S/T 4, 2 attacks, 3+/4++
What makes him good are his abilities:
Demagogue:
All units within 6 use his LD: 10
Beseech the Dark Gods:
Reroll on the boon table for him and all in his unit.
And the icing on the cake: Zealot.
Gives him and his unit Fearless and Hatred.
So now imagine hm with 9 Possessed in a Landraider for example.
You give the 9 Possessed a MoK and an Icon of Wrath.
The posssed now have Furious charge, Rage, Counter Attack and Hatred.
This means on the first round of combat they are:
WS 4, Str 6 with 4 attacks on the charge.
Because of Hatred they reroll on misses for the first round of combat.
In addition the possessed get one of 3 abilities.
1, Reroll failed wounds.
2, Attacks are AP3
3, +1 attack, +1 Initiative.
You can also give the Possessed Champion 2 Gifts rerolling spawn or DP results before the game, which should make him pretty nasty in a challenge and if he kills his target he gets another boon which is rerollable.
So lets imagine our posssessed jump out of the Raider and into combat with a 10 man tac squad.
32 attacks on the charge from the 8 standard Possessed alone, rerolling misses hitting on 4's. = an average of 24 hits.
Str 6 on the charge means an average of 20 wounds not accounting for the additonal random attribute from the possessed.
This isn't counting the Possessed Champion or the Dark Apostle either.
On average that = 6 dead marines.
Dark Apostle with a MoK hits the unit also with his 4 attacks rerolling missses.
hitting on 3's, wounding on 2's? I think power maul is +1 str, ap4 concussive, don't have my BRB with me.
That should equate to another dead Marine.
So it is quite possible you could wipe out an entire unit thanks to the rerolls provided by Hatred.
The issues with Possessed though is that they do not have assault grenades so the old charging into cover thing is a major issue.
I considered Berzerkers, the issue with Bezerkers is that they have no invuln save where Possessed do so they could be creamed by Daemon Flamers/Screamers or a Helldrake after stepping out of the Raider.
The main issue for Chaos is the ability to get your CC units into the fight, A Raider is pretty much the only option and of course you would upgrade it with Dirge Caster allowing you to charge anything you wanted.
Possibly though what would work better would be to have him with a 35 man blob of cultists with a MoK.
Or perhaps even a MoN using Epi to reach a tally of 10+
Rerolling misses to hit and then wounding on a 2+.
Still the issue is getting them into the fight, this is a major problem for Chaos.
Would be interested to hear others thoughts on usage of the Dark Apostle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 12:31:24
Subject: Re:The Dark Apostle
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Chaos Space Marine dedicated to Slaanesh
England
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I think your ideas good but there just things in the chaos codex that do it better also thats a very exspensive unit which will attract alot of fire and most likely just be an exspensive bullet/las/plasma magnet.
i'd say go with the cultists just keep them back for objectives/maining emplacements
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 12:40:35
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Happy Imperial Citizen
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Well, what If you stick that expensive unit in a Dreadclaw instead? Then you even get frag grenades on your first assault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 12:56:04
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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I plan on using mine in a cool way : he'll be a scenic element on my heldrake base.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 13:19:41
Subject: Re:The Dark Apostle
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I love the model a lot. Great to paint up, very flavorful. Is his 6" bubble measured off of him or his unit? If that's the case, having him in a vehicle would be far more beneficial in making use of the buff, and far worse in a blob of 35 cultists as you'd want him near the center to avoid getting picked off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 14:45:57
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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I've used 35 cultists with MOS and the dark Apostle to decent effect of tying up a vanguard squad and then going on to attack a tactical squad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 14:55:36
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Seb wrote:I plan on using mine in a cool way : he'll be a scenic element on my heldrake base.

I bought one and converted up 4 more. They are going to be basic aspiring champions with ccw and pistol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 14:57:46
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Dakka Veteran
Reading - UK
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Seb wrote:I plan on using mine in a cool way : he'll be a scenic element on my heldrake base.

Lolz
So perhaps instead the Dark Apsotle could be used to look after Cultists with his LD buff.
I don't really like the idea of Cultists being fearless especially if you have an Aegis and want them to get a 2+ by going to ground.
As added protection for your Cultists you could put the Dark Apostle with a unit of Possessed as an added force to be reckoned with if enemy units closes in...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 15:09:34
Subject: Re:The Dark Apostle
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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gpfunk wrote:I love the model a lot. Great to paint up, very flavorful. Is his 6" bubble measured off of him or his unit? If that's the case, having him in a vehicle would be far more beneficial in making use of the buff, and far worse in a blob of 35 cultists as you'd want him near the center to avoid getting picked off.
if you really want a DP psyker, you can buy him a 105 point leadership upgrade so he can actually cast spells
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 15:12:13
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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I've been running one with MoN and the Murder Sword in a unit of 7 nurgle terminators to good effect..they ate through nearly everything they have come up against
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/08 15:22:56
Subject: The Dark Apostle
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:I've been running one with MoN and the Murder Sword in a unit of 7 nurgle terminators to good effect..they ate through nearly everything they have come up against
so you have a murder sword AND a power maul? what is the point. A chaos lord would be cheaper
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