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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 17:18:58
Subject: Healing Models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Figured I'd toss this up here since our Colorado Infinity facebook folks found it useful. I try to do a daily rules clarification on there while doing my morning commute. If someone wants to join the group and repost my messages, feel free.
Random rules clarification of the day.
Healing is one of the unique aspects of Infinity that can sometimes change the whole direction of a battle. Today we'll discuss those various methods, but will just be focusing on healing Wounds. Keep in mind only Wound models can be healed by these, not models with Structure.
Medikit - Outside of Tohaa this is typically one of the most dangerous methods of healing. Models with a Medikit are typically combat oriented and just a few points more then their basic profile. However, the medikit requires a PH roll of the TARGET'S PH -3 leading to the death of many a line troops. Keep in mind though, that since they are near the front lines anyways you are saving on orders and it's better then the guy just stay unconscious the whole game. This can only be used on Unconscious models (which on a success heal 1 wound and leave the unconscious state) and human medikits can't be used on aliens (CA, antipodes, dog warriors, etc).
Automedikit - Automedikits are like Medikits, just better. When the barer falls unconscious it can, in the active phase, use a long skill to heal themselves. They must pass a normal PH test without any modifier. If failed however, they die just like a medikit.
Doctor - Your standard combat doctors on the front lines. While in BtB they must pass a WIP check to heal the target. Like Medikits, if the test is failed the target dies (they were beyond medical help). Doctors can heal alien models and can use their doctor skill and WIP through a G:Servant that is linked with them.
Regeneration - The best healing ability period. A model with regeneration can only heal themselves, but to do so only requires a short skill and a normal PH check. The icing on the cake though is you don't require being unconscious AND a failed test has no consequences, if you not unconscious. If you fail your test, and are not unconscious, you can just try over and over. 2 Wound models that have received 1 wound could test order after order to bring themselves back up to 2 wounds. A failed check while in the unconscious state will kill the model though.
Tohaa Symbiont Armor - These work a bit different. For Medikits you do not suffer the -3 to the PH check. However, to heal with a Doctor skill the healing model must also have the Engineer skill. Once the Armor profile has lost all of it's wounds and the model passes to the inactive armor profile, the armor can not be healed.
Striga - A model with Striga can absorb wounds from an enemy model and have the perk of being able to surpass their starting W value and go up to a max of 3 wounds total. The use of striga is either a short skill while in BtB with an unconscious enemy model or a CC attack against an non-unconscious enemy model model. If using Striga as a CC attack the enemy can make a save against their BTS attribute or the Striga model will steal a wound. Note that Striga can not be used against things with structure instead of wounds.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/02/14 19:43:57
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 18:44:45
Subject: Re:Healing Models
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Camouflaged Ariadna Scout
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Is it worth adding something on Striga for the aliens out there as it allows them to gain wounds and regain wounds from the dogged state.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 18:52:07
Subject: Healing Models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Bah, that is CA, no one cares about CA
You are right however lol, I'll toss something up about them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 19:16:58
Subject: Re:Healing Models
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Hacking Shang Jí
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If he fails his PH Roll while Unconscious, he passes to the status of Dead and is removed from the game table. If the number of Wounds received leaves the miniature in a Dead state before being able to activate Regeneration, he will not be able to use this Special Skill again, and will have to be removed from the table. (For example, if a miniature with 1 Wound receives 3 hits from a Burst and fails 2 Armour Rolls). While the figure is in Unconscious state he will not add his Order to his army Orders Reserve.
For Regenerations: The Wiki says if Unconscious and it fails, the figure is dead.
Question for Regeneration: If there is no way to provoke an ARO then how do they use it to heal? Say they are wounded by a out of sight grenade launcher. After the initial wound there is nothing around to allow that figure to ARO against.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2013/02/14 19:21:00
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 19:23:57
Subject: Healing Models
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Fixture of Dakka
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That's cool man, how often do you post these? Oh and can I have a link? I think I'll subscribe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 19:42:30
Subject: Healing Models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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http://www.facebook.com/groups/COInfinity/
@ CDK yeah I forgot to add the unconcious fail = death part. Crap I screwed regen ARO too. Regen can not be used in ARO as per the chart. That is what I get for doing wayyy too many topics in one post lol.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 20:19:32
Subject: Healing Models
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Hacking Shang Jí
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At least you can edit hear. I'm not sure on facebook.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/14 20:55:26
Subject: Healing Models
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yeah the annoying part about face book groups is you can't edit posts there. No idea why though that was a good idea though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 05:32:48
Subject: Healing Models
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Fixture of Dakka
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I can't sign up. :(
You should just post them all on Dakka methinks. Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh nevermind you okayed my entry.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2013/02/15 09:22:32
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 10:46:06
Subject: Healing Models
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PanOceaniac Hacking Specialist Sergeant
Lake Macquarie, NSW
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So, at what point do people think that including a doctor is worthwhile?
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"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
-Norman Schwartzkopf
W-L-D: 0-0-0. UNDEFEATED |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 12:50:30
Subject: Healing Models
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Leaping Dog Warrior
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When your Ariadna player and you have 12/13 points left. Its a difficult choice, because you either have to burn orders to keep up with the troops you want to heal, or in late game situations, burn a lot of orders for him to reach his wounded comrade. Once he gets there he is out of breath and shellshocked, so arteries look like CA tentacles and must be stabbed through repeatedly.
Doctor Death, I Salute you!
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Tacticool always trumps tactics
Malifaux: All the Resurrectionists
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 14:40:46
Subject: Healing Models
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Doctors, in many cases, come in versions with the same stat-line as the faction's basic line trooper, save an extra 4 points. If you're not desperate for either Lt. decoys or link team members (although, with Haqqislam, all doctors are straight upgrades of a troop type, so can link as normal*), have some line troops and a few points left over, it's not a bad place to "upgrade".
The simple psychology to your opponent that you have a 60-85% chance (depending on the doctor's WIP, although it's only one Merc that gets 85%) of getting up any unconscious model again, taking them off the retreat threshold, giving back an order, another model's worth of AROs, and meaning they have to put them down again - that can mean your opponent burns extra orders to finish off any model that's down. And that's orders they're not using against your active models.
And, of course, in the campaign, some scenarios demand a doctor (and it gives BIG bonuses to making sure your Spec-Op survives).
*Mind you, Haqq gets awesome doctors in general. There's nine different options, with the following skills/gear combinable in various combinations: Mechanised, Linkable, TO Camouflage, MSV2, Religious, Dogged, Heavy Infantry and Regeneration. All with at least WIP 14. (It is, however, NOT the faction that gets a Doctor Lt. option).
This is definitely a good time to include a doctor - there's a lot of options, most of them are also great combatants and they're actually pretty reliable physicians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 15:11:06
Subject: Healing Models
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Kelne
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I always include a Doctor or two in my Haqqislam simply because they are cheap, but more importantly, they make some of my enemies worry about my models getting up - so they either hunt the doctor or spend an order on making sure my downed models are dead.
Whatever makes them use orders is good, imo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 16:10:21
Subject: Healing Models
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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I've included a Doctor in all my lists, and it is responsible for quite a few deaths. I think the palbot makes the doctor a good option, can't wait to get one.
Like Kogan Style said, it does slow down your whole line if you want him in the thick of it, but from what I've garnered, keeping a group of low points models in the back to have a few orders safe, coupled with a doctor which keeps unconscious people on the field, makes it less of a slam dunk for an opponent who would just shoot, move to the next target, shoot, move to the next target...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 17:57:02
Subject: Re:Healing Models
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Think this will be really useful for both new players, and those brushing up on the rules! Loved the bit about the medikit being such a danger for line troops
Please keep these up though BlueDagger I would love to see similar things in the future, excellent stuff
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/15 20:07:39
Subject: Re:Healing Models
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Martial Arts SAS
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Last game I played, I included a doctor only because I had a couple points left.
And he just happened to be 1-2 orders away from where my autocannon Tankhunter got shot.
It might be the only time my 112 successfully healed someone =P
It was totally worth the 3 points more expensive than the line trooper =)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/16 21:27:04
Subject: Healing Models
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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I'll say! That tankhunter, if I remember correctly, downed my TAG in short order!
We have to have another game. I've been putting my hobby stuff in order, so we should be able to have a properly stuffed table.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/20 14:49:14
Subject: Healing Models
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Hacking Shang Jí
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I've never gotten a Dr. or a drone to a guy to heal them. And for my Shasvastii it's already an expensive pt-wise army so fitting in the Dr. is tough. Though it's good to take with them because it's even tougher to kill them off. With the shasvastii rule you leave your figure on the table doctor or no doctor. I make my opponent put them into the dead stage and then they have to kill the embryo inside it. using two orders to clear them out.
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