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Rulebook: £45 hard-back
Codex: £30 hard-back
Codex: £20 soft-back
Battle-Force: £65-£80

Now, don't go flying off the handle saying some crap like "don't buy it then" etc, because that's not my point.
My point is simple:

GW's prices do nothing but inflate. Even their "deal sets" are the exact same price of buying the units INDIVIDUALY! (Not talking about Battle-Forces, but the new additions they're making. Two flyers for the price of two flyers. What a deal! Oh wait...)
GW produce inferior products, such as finecast, replacing their old metal models with resin to save themselves a buck and then jack up the price 10-fold.
GW sells bits packs, because they're technically the only place you should be buying additional armaments/add-ons for your Citadel miniatures. So what do they do?
Make them finecast and charge up the ass!

Yes, I am ranting. However, let me put this to you:

GW encourages their audience to buy their products, and ONLY their products.
I've been into a GW before wherein everyone inside had to pretend-out-loud that the models currently on a table top were not 3rd party, even though everyone who saw them is going "woah, those are awesome! Where're they from, man?" it was rather awkward.

So, now GW are moving to copyright the term Space Marine so nobody else on the planet can use it in their own IP.
They're taking on a company that's only a fraction of their size, aiming to pretty much destroy them just because they're making superior products for their target audience.
They've actively now turned away from *any* kind of generalist public relations beyond talking to a store manager face-to-face in-store.
Oh, but hey! Now that nearly every store is a one-man store, you'll be lucky to get their attention for 5 minutes before they move to intercept someone entering the door to SELL SELL SELL!

What is this company doing?
I once had such love for GW, now I dare not go into their store for fear of being talked into buying MOAR ST00F!

I, like many, have turned to the discounters and the eBay stores and the 3rd party companies for bits and add-ons.

How can GW keep this up?

Inflate the prices.
Cut communication with our primary audience.
Destroy any who dare make anything that'll make the hobby more enjoyable and varied.
Oh, and don't let anyone use "Space Marine" because we definitely invented that term. *cough*

TL;DR: GW are pushing their customers further and further away with their absolutely pathetic decisions, and yet have the nerve to just push those loyal customers away in order to sell a couple of books for £70+ to new players, just so they can play the game.

Kudos, GW. Kudos!

Oh look, it's this again.

This thread occurs more than once a week, it's sort of like the background on Dakka.

 Griddlelol wrote:
Oh look, it's this again.

This thread occurs more than once a week, it's sort of like the background on Dakka.

Cool story, bro.

So constructive! Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

Good day.

There is a 60+ page thread in the general discussion discussing your very thoughts. Actually, you adding your post to it will do more good, as that thread is guaranteed to stay at the top of the charts for a while, and more people are likely to read your post and it won't slip into obscurity. Why don't you copy and paste your post over there, and ask a MOD to lock this one? It'll actually make a bigger difference.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
There is a 60+ page thread in the general discussion discussing your very thoughts. Actually, you adding your post to it will do more good, as that thread is guaranteed to stay at the top of the charts for a while, and more people are likely to read your post and it won't slip into obscurity. Why don't you copy and paste your post over there, and ask a MOD to lock this one? It'll actually make a bigger difference.

I think I will do just that. Thanks!

I like how when GW raises their prices a little its "too much" even though they haven't raised prices any more than any other company in the last 15 years or so.

When I started 40k I could get a 20 gallon tank of gas for less than $20. When the Land Raider kit came out it cost $50. That's the godhammer box.. Before the crusader was even dreamt of. And new video games used to cost $40.

Now that tank of gas costs over $70, a land raider box with more options cost $75, and video games cost $60..

A 50% increase on entertainment costs seems to be about average over the last 15 years or so. Meanwhile food prices have doubled and fuel prices have tripled.

Does it suck when GW raises prices? Yes

Are they the only ones doing it? Not by a long shot.

Gas, for most adults is a necessity. Food is a necessity for living things in general. Is your godhammer variant landraider? Nope. So that analogy is poor, due to "need" vs "want". And video games used to be $50 brand new, not $40. Some games actually DO come out at $40 new, like LEGO games and when games were still being made for the PS2 when the PS3 came out. There was a 20% increase in a single shot (from $50 to $60), announced, and prices haven't gone up since the 360 came out (I'm not including collectors editions, just regular). Graphics, gameplay, sound, sensitivity: these things have all gone up in quality since the price rise too, as they were being developed better. The Landraider has consistently gone up every year or two, and the model has not been changed or improved. So this analogy is poor as well. Compare GW to its fellow game designers if you want to compare equals: what has GW's price increase been compared to Privateer Press over the past 5 years? I honestly don't know, but I'm sure you can find out. Compared to Mantic? Mantic raised prices on 20 man fantasy box sets by $1.50 over the course of 5 years. Mantic and Privateer have both been working on switching metal to Resin/Plastic/Restic, just as GW switched metal to FineCast. GW charges MORE for this change, the other companies charge the same amount. Oh, but wait: they DOUBLE the amount you get in the box, so you pay the same amount for the double the product.

CrowSplat wrote:
I like how when GW raises their prices a little its "too much" even though they haven't raised prices any more than any other company in the last 15 years or so.

When I started 40k I could get a 20 gallon tank of gas for less than $20. When the Land Raider kit came out it cost $50. That's the godhammer box.. Before the crusader was even dreamt of. And new video games used to cost $40.

Now that tank of gas costs over $70, a land raider box with more options cost $75, and video games cost $60..

A 50% increase on entertainment costs seems to be about average over the last 15 years or so. Meanwhile food prices have doubled and fuel prices have tripled.

Does it suck when GW raises prices? Yes

Are they the only ones doing it? Not by a long shot.

The inflation from $40 to $80 isn't a 50% increase, it's a 100% increase. Last year some products jumped 30% in cost. I make plenty of money and am gainfully employed. I am gw's exact target audience, and I would NEVER buy directly from them anymore.

They are way beyond the current rate of inflation and are trying to put a bandade on lagging sales by supplementing income with higher rates. The best thing that could happen would be gw going out of business and another company buying them up and repackaging at more competetive prices

yea i agree the prices are a bit weird. im lucky my local store is not gw and discounts things. i went to calgary and looked at the GW, and im like... i can get everything i want back home for alot less then what i spend here... right. thanks for memory lane... now im going back home to buy my kits at a fair price from a store that likes my business. yeesh....

I played my first game again Necrons yesterday

 Brother Axel wrote:

So, now GW are moving to copyright the term Space Marine so nobody else on the planet can use it in their own IP.

What's wrong with that? If you own intellectual property it is your decisions as to whether or not that is common or anti-common.
Edit: subject to the court of law and peer review and re-review ad infinitum

well they will pay attention when no one buys there products at some point.

 Brother Axel wrote:


Cool story, bro.

So constructive! Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

Good day.

Your post is constructive in what way? There are so many of these posts. You've said nothing new, and have no insight and you can't change anything with it..

Tedious.

Why do I care that you're quitting? Why would anyone care? You're not informing people of things they don't already know, if other people want to quit, they can, and they will. Most of them won't post on the internet about it.

BrotherVord wrote:

CrowSplat wrote:
I like how when GW raises their prices a little its "too much" even though they haven't raised prices any more than any other company in the last 15 years or so.

When I started 40k I could get a 20 gallon tank of gas for less than $20. When the Land Raider kit came out it cost $50. That's the godhammer box.. Before the crusader was even dreamt of. And new video games used to cost $40.

Now that tank of gas costs over $70, a land raider box with more options cost $75, and video games cost $60..

A 50% increase on entertainment costs seems to be about average over the last 15 years or so. Meanwhile food prices have doubled and fuel prices have tripled.

Does it suck when GW raises prices? Yes

Are they the only ones doing it? Not by a long shot.

The inflation from $40 to $80 isn't a 50% increase, it's a 100% increase. Last year some products jumped 30% in cost. I make plenty of money and am gainfully employed. I am gw's exact target audience, and I would NEVER buy directly from them anymore.

They are way beyond the current rate of inflation and are trying to put a bandade on lagging sales by supplementing income with higher rates. The best thing that could happen would be gw going out of business and another company buying them up and repackaging at more competetive prices

Too bad I never said anything went from 40 to 80..

@ timetowaste: I would think an increase in a necessity would be far more serious a concern than inflation in luxury goods. Last I checked salaries haven't doubled in the past 15 years but the cost of necessary goods has shot up like crazy. The point is that if you are angry at GW increasing their prices a little then you should probably redirect that anger at the manufacturers of the necessary items you buy. They're the reason 40k has become less affordable not GW.

BrotherVord wrote:

The inflation from $40 to $80 isn't a 50% increase, it's a 100% increase. Last year some products jumped 30% in costs

And some didn't. Guardsmen stayed the same, I think chimeras went up a bit though. Flamers went down in price as they went from finecast to plastic, so did screamers. I think a few other things did too.

I honestly don't mind people complaining about price rises if they use actual data. Compare the costs of actual armies and you'll see price rises of 8-10% over the past few years. This is a lot yes, but it's still less than many other commodities - cheese and beef to name two.

 BryllCream wrote:


I honestly don't mind people complaining about price rises if they use actual data. Compare the costs of actual armies and you'll see price rises of 8-10% over the past few years. This is a lot yes, but it's still less than many other commodities - cheese and beef to name two.

But if they use facts, they wouldn't be able to be the special snowflake who is quitting whilst all us other sheep follow GW prices. Facts schmacts.

CrowSplat wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:

CrowSplat wrote:
I like how when GW raises their prices a little its "too much" even though they haven't raised prices any more than any other company in the last 15 years or so.

When I started 40k I could get a 20 gallon tank of gas for less than $20. When the Land Raider kit came out it cost $50. That's the godhammer box.. Before the crusader was even dreamt of. And new video games used to cost $40.

Now that tank of gas costs over $70, a land raider box with more options cost $75, and video games cost $60..

A 50% increase on entertainment costs seems to be about average over the last 15 years or so. Meanwhile food prices have doubled and fuel prices have tripled.

Does it suck when GW raises prices? Yes

Are they the only ones doing it? Not by a long shot.

The inflation from $40 to $80 isn't a 50% increase, it's a 100% increase. Last year some products jumped 30% in cost. I make plenty of money and am gainfully employed. I am gw's exact target audience, and I would NEVER buy directly from them anymore.

They are way beyond the current rate of inflation and are trying to put a bandade on lagging sales by supplementing income with higher rates. The best thing that could happen would be gw going out of business and another company buying them up and repackaging at more competetive prices

Too bad I never said anything went from 40 to 80..

@ timetowaste: I would think an increase in a necessity would be far more serious a concern than inflation in luxury goods. Last I checked salaries haven't doubled in the past 15 years but the cost of necessary goods has shot up like crazy. The point is that if you are angry at GW increasing their prices a little then you should probably redirect that anger at the manufacturers of the necessary items you buy. They're the reason 40k has become less affordable not GW.

I can't say that the necessities going up isn't irritating: it is. But I am forced to pay those prices to survive. I am not forced to pay GW prices. Huge difference that can't be invisible to anybody.

Games Workshop merchandise has always been high enough that I've had to put it on layaway when I buy it. (It's so wonderful that my games store does that!)

That being said, I can remember gas for under a buck-fifty, movie admission plus refreshments for six bucks, and brand new video games for under ten bucks. Inflation is a beast across the board.

When I really got back into 40k (as opposed to lurking and playing with other peoples' minis, like I had done for over a decade) lots of folks were just getting iPhones. Several of my friends had to adjust their budgets to be able to afford the unbelievably high (to me) bills those phones carried. The luxury in my life (40k) doesn't cost me nearly as much as their luxury does. Shoot, I would have to buy two to three new kits every month to make up the difference there. So I console myself there, at least a little.

It's not that I have any real love for GW's prices at practices right now. (I think flyers are overpriced, and there isn't a single attractive one for my army.) ((I also think that hardcover codexes are just wasteful silliness. It kind of makes me wish that my armies won't be updated for some time...)) I wish I could get my minis for much cheaper, while still getting them legally.

Unfortunately, (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) I have a really nice games store in my area. I'd like it to stay open. The only gaming I do with any kind of recurring cost is 40k. The stores don't stay open without local support. My love for my local store overrides any sense of ambivalence I may feel towards Games Workshop.

That being said, if anyone has any positive, constructive advice on how to deal with this problem, I would be happy to support it. I haven't really seen any suggestions that amount to more than A) quit, B) buy third party, C) boycott Games Workshop, D) buy used, or E) send Games Workshop some sort of email petition. I'm not complaining, you understand, since I can't think of anything else to do either, it's just that I don't think any of these are solutions.

 kwah wrote:
well they will pay attention when no one buys there products at some point.

^this. Its truly the main problem.

TBH I feel the problem with GW is not that they raise prices on their products, Its that we let them do so by still feeling compelled to buy their products for the game. With tabletop games being an already Niche market within a niche market, there is little in the way of competition for GW. Its more like everyone has GW stuff, and then its a competition for everyone else to compete with your "real"interest in tabletop wargaming venue, as the GW is there for ease of getting to play games. Your infinity/mantic/Warmachine army is the army everyone wishes everyone else played instead.


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 BryllCream wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:

The inflation from $40 to $80 isn't a 50% increase, it's a 100% increase. Last year some products jumped 30% in costs

And some didn't. Guardsmen stayed the same, I think chimeras went up a bit though. Flamers went down in price as they went from finecast to plastic, so did screamers. I think a few other things did too.

I honestly don't mind people complaining about price rises if they use actual data. Compare the costs of actual armies and you'll see price rises of 8-10% over the past few years. This is a lot yes, but it's still less than many other commodities - cheese and beef to name two.

Guardsmen went from a 20 man box to a 10 man box for the same price. Same for Ork Boyz. They saved the perceived increase by decreasing the box count which effectively performed the same profit margin. Horde armies kinda got boned when that happened.

just gonna say it. the "2 flyers for the cost of 2 flyers" is meant ot be just that, its a One click multi buy as they say, they never said its a promotional discounted deal, just a 1 click buy option to save time. are they expensive YES, did anyone who plays 40k think for one moment coming in that it was going to be CHEAP? i see the cost of petrol used as an example when i started driving it was under 80c a L for premium now your lucky to get for under $1.60 and tahts something people NEED to have.... is your tabletop game that you play for fun needed, no. don't complain about the cost of luxuries, if you cant afford it then you shouldn't be buying it, and saying you will quit to GW i would like to people saying they will quit wow, GW is just like Blizzard soooo big that 1 person missing wont bother them at all..

In NZ the pricing is utterly insane, that said when the local retailer is muscling GW out by undercutting them on their own product you know something is wrong.

eg $170 for Dark Vengeance from retailer, GW price $210.

 Brother Axel wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:
Oh look, it's this again.

This thread occurs more than once a week, it's sort of like the background on Dakka.

Cool story, bro.

So constructive! Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

Good day.

Excuse me?

Your entire original post = cool story bro.

You can't blame anyone at all for being very tired of this topic already. It's hardly original.

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

You can't blame anyone at all for being very tired of this topic already. It's hardly original.

I never understood this. You may be tired of it, but not everybody is in the same phase or had as much time in the game as you, or even in the forums. The OP obviously isn't tired of it and was wondering if anyone wanted to converse over the issue, he wasn't forcing anyone to read or reply. If you feel this is overdone in the general discussion, then please feel free to return to the "Is X overpowered?" or "Should I start army Y or army Z"

That being said. I know that feeling. I play Tau and will be in need of an update soon. What used to fill me with hope, now has me concerned. A release around the time of the price increase cycle, throw in an expensive hardback rule book and I'm not going to have much ability to expand on my existing army. I know that most of my army will be useable/updated, but it's a limited codex and I only purchased what was useable. So with the update looming over the horizon I'm worried that I'll be forced to purchase many new large kits just to get something out of it. Admittedly that it's mostly just personal paranoia, but it is driving me more towards leaving the hobby.

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

 Brother Axel wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:
Oh look, it's this again.

This thread occurs more than once a week, it's sort of like the background on Dakka.

Cool story, bro.

So constructive! Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

Good day.

Excuse me?

Your entire original post = cool story bro.

You can't blame anyone at all for being very tired of this topic already. It's hardly original.

Ever considered people might get tired of 'I already read this' posts from people who live on these forums?

MarsNZ wrote:

Ever considered people might get tired of 'I already read this' posts from people who live on these forums?

As someone that checks the forum almost religiously I personally never mind a thread I didn't like. But then again my mouse doesn't magically guide me towards topics I don't like, so I'm probably special in that regard.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

You can't blame anyone at all for being very tired of this topic already. It's hardly original.

I never understood this. You may be tired of it, but not everybody is in the same phase or had as much time in the game as you, or even in the forums. The OP obviously isn't tired of it and was wondering if anyone wanted to converse over the issue, he wasn't forcing anyone to read or reply. If you feel this is overdone in the general discussion, then please feel free to return to the "Is X overpowered?" or "Should I start army Y or army Z"

That being said. I know that feeling. I play Tau and will be in need of an update soon. What used to fill me with hope, now has me concerned. A release around the time of the price increase cycle, throw in an expensive hardback rule book and I'm not going to have much ability to expand on my existing army. I know that most of my army will be useable/updated, but it's a limited codex and I only purchased what was useable. So with the update looming over the horizon I'm worried that I'll be forced to purchase many new large kits just to get something out of it. Admittedly that it's mostly just personal paranoia, but it is driving me more towards leaving the hobby.

Allow me to clarify.

This topic has been done to death and beyond since at least 1995, which is when I started taking notice of GW products. Seriously, it's been going on that long.

Whether you like it or agree with it or not, people are really really really tired of this topic.

Someone commented about being tired of the topic and made a statement to the effect that it wasn't a very original thread. People have a right to express their opinions.

OP got very butthurt about being called out on it and wrote a snide reply.

I came in and pointed out the irony / hypocrisy / whatever of said snide reply.

As far as you leaving the hobby, hey, that's your choice. It is certainly a very expensive hobby. Whether there is value in GW products commensurate with the high price tag is all completely subjective. What is galling to those of us who choose to stay is that those of you who are dissatisfied can't simply leave us in peace and you seem to feel that you are entitled to play with plastic toy soldiers at whatever price you deem fair.

The world doesn't work that way.

But, hey, I honestly don't care that much.


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MarsNZ wrote:

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:

 Brother Axel wrote:

 Griddlelol wrote:
Oh look, it's this again.

This thread occurs more than once a week, it's sort of like the background on Dakka.

Cool story, bro.

So constructive! Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated.

Good day.

Excuse me?

Your entire original post = cool story bro.

You can't blame anyone at all for being very tired of this topic already. It's hardly original.

Ever considered people might get tired of 'I already read this' posts from people who live on these forums?

My post count is hardly higher than yours buddy, and until yesterday I hadn't logged into Dakka in more than a month.

Nice try, though.

This thread has a lot of heart.

As noted we already have a big thread on this subject in Dakka Discussions, and as the OP took his thoughts there already I'm going to close this one down.