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I seen a list a while back wich i believed to 35pts. I was drawn to it because it used karchev and then a handfull of big jacks. Beast,drago, and demolisher i believe. Not sure,were,the remainder of the points were assigned. My question is if this would be a viable list for casual mosty play?

Theres no reason why this list would not be suitable for casual play. That said, Karchev is not a very flexible warcaster, so be prepared to have some bad matchups. If you don't care about that, then go wild!

Can't really comment on how he functions in the current Steamroller environment, but one might think that as a high HP warcaster, he might actually be OK at dominating (control by warcaster for 2x control points on objectives).

IMHO Karchev jack-wall looks awesome on the tabletop.

Yeah i really like the idea of fielding a big wall of khadorian steel. Should i add any infantry of some mechanics to keep karchev goin?

You definitly want mechanics with karchev. Man-o-wars might be a decent addition too.

Is the big mechanic officer worth taking i really just like the model i think it would look great tabled with all those jacks, i just dnt know what he does

He's another body that can repair and he lets the mechanics in his unit repair Man-o-wars. Which makes their inclusion more attractive.

So yeah, a good buy.

Oh great so i think ive got a clear vision on what it is ill do. On the man o war troops wich variety would be most beneficial to astrong jack list

I'm not sold on the idea of MOWs with Karchev. All of them are slow as molasses.

Shocktroopers:
Pro: Reach, shield wall, high ARM, has a gun for the times you are mired in difficult terrain.
Con: Middling hitting power, gun has 1" less threat than charging over open terrain.

Demo Corps:
Pro: Reach. Icebreaker gives considerable hitting power.
Con: Armor is lower than Shocktroopers. No shield. Backswing is dangerous to use on high DEF squishy single targets as you will smite your buddies if you kill your target on the first swing. Great Bears fill their role better than them.

Bombardiers:
Pro: Awesomesauce gun. Decent power in melee.
Con: Awesomesauce price. No reach. Same armor as Demo Corps. Middling range on the guns.

That said... I think that the bombardiers give Karchev the best bang for his buck as they will shred light infantry clogging up his warjack's charge lanes with their blast weapons.

His one trick is good until your opponent see it coming. You can club baby seals with it but once its been seen you never forget it.

i found it fun at first, but got real boring real fast.

Yeah, but his trick doesn't become useless. Unlike a few other one use tricks that are out there.

Tow is still stupid good.

As far as warjacks to include would beast, drago, and behemoth work well or should i get cheaper onez

Karchev and Behemoth are BFF, due to tow and FIRING THE BIG GUNZ.

Beast is awesomesauce in pretty much any army and will draw a lot of hate. If he doesn't die, your opponents will feel it.

Not sure about Drago.

Here is the 15 to 50 point Karchev jack heavy list I made for a friend in our league. It is wreaking shop in the league. All the jacks are in his battle group and it has only been beaten once by Legion because he got a luck break on a failed charge. These lists use 0 focus other than to cast spells. Bad Santa give the Kodiak and the Devestator the focus needed to charge or run to keep up. We figured this 50 list on feat turn charging is basicly getting close to 28 free focus worth of boosting and charges.

15 Points:
Karchev 5 WJP
3 Berserkers 18 Points

20 Points:
Karchev 5 WJP
4 Berserkers 24 points
Wardog 1 point

25 points:
Karchev 5 WJP
4 Berserkers 24 points
Wardog 1 point
Battle Mech (min) 2 points
Bokur 3 points

30 points:
Karchev 5 WJP
5 Berserkers 30 points
Battle Mech (min) 2 points
Bokur 3 points

35 points:
Karchev 5 WJP
5 Berserkers 30 points
Kodiak 8
Battle Mech (min) 2 points

40 points:
Karchev 5 WJP
5 Berserkers 30 points
Kodiak 8
Battle Mech (min) 2 points
Koldun Lord 2
Bokur 3

45 Points:
Karchev 5 WJP
5 Berserkers 30 points
Devestator 9
Sylys 2
Reinholdt 1
Battle Mech (Max) 3 points
Koldun Lord 2

50 Points:
Karchev 5 WJP
6 Berserkers 30\6 points
Devestator 9
Sylys 2
Battle Mech (Max) 3 points
Koldun Lord 2
Bokur 3

 keezus wrote:

Can't really comment on how he functions in the current Steamroller environment, but one might think that as a high HP warcaster, he might actually be OK at dominating (control by warcaster for 2x control points on objectives).

His high boxes is a trap that you shouldn't let yourself fall into. On paper, he looks like he should stand up to a lot of punishment, but all bar one time(when being run as a Tow Battleship and kept at extreme range) I've faced him, I dropped him with 2-3 attacks(generally from a single model, most times with a Slayer). He's a lot squishier than he seems, especially since he tends not to keep any Focus on himself.

He's just a Warjack as far as damage is concerned, stuff that kills warjacks kills him too.

 Grey Templar wrote:
He's just a Warjack as far as damage is concerned, stuff that kills warjacks kills him too.

Yep, but what makes him stand out as a bit squishier is that he's more like a Cygnar jack than a Khador jack when it comes to his stats. It's just something to keep in mind, as I've seen more than 1 player fall into the thinking that having ~10 more boxes than most 'Casters will help keep him alive longer. They forget that when you look and act like a Warjack, you tend to have hard Jack counters thrown at you, and Special K can't stand up to the same abuse the rest of Khador's jacks can.

His main weakness is his pitifully low DEF. Karchev is just begging to get shot and or debuffed. I saw one game where Karchev sat there with three jack for side arms. They all did nothing for three turns as Goreman black oiled them all. The player never used Karchev again.