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Quick question -- which of these stats is lightest? How would I rewrite them under the current 40k ruleset? I think some of these are older versions of the ruleset. Thanks!

1.) 72", str 10, ap 2, ordinance
2.) 60", str 10, ap 1, ordinance 1, blast, primary weapon
3.) 72", STR 10, Ap 1, ordinance 1, primary weapon

I don't play the tabletop, and I am trying to figure out which of these things is PHYSICALLY the smallest in universe, by their stats. Also I am trying to figure out, again, how to rewrite this with the current set of nomenclature and rules.

Dont click if you don't want to be spoiled by the in-lore info!

You are faced with an interesting problem in the fact logic, even lore based logic, does not always match up with the rules in question. While some things do tend to match up, such as carbines normally having smaller ranges then rifles, you still can encounter the odd situation where that doesn't always apply. This is all the more telling when you are looking at weapons from different factions or from different categories then comparing the weapons from the same faction and category.

The real only way to do a physical comparison would be to physically compare the modeled weapon sizes. Yet I know you are more interested in power consumption, cooling and all the other bits that make up a gun instead of just barrel lengths so that isn't the best option either. In any case I will try and answer it but this will be all opinion based, as will all the answers you get on this forum:

Personally, I believe it should take a lot more power to generate an area-of-effect then a pinpoint attack. Like wise, it takes more energy to generate an attack that has an easier time penetrating through armour. These two factors would be more critical in a comparison then the overall range of a weapon which could be limited by factors completely unrelated to the power consumption.

This leaves the Magma Cannon as the 'heaviest' weapon from the three even though it has less range, with the Destroyer being the 'lightest' of the three.

Okay, physically comparing models, which seems to require the smallest mount? The Doomhammer Laser, the Destroyer Tank Hunter laser, or the Valdor tank hunter laser? If you wanted to put one on a Macharius, which would be most plausible?

The people whom play the imperiam of man will have to answer that one....

Engineeringly plausible not lore plausible (HERESY! to do that, etc. etc.), I just want someone who knows the rules and games to take a best guess.

Also, how do I update the rules so they use the current nomenclature and formatting methods?

This would probably work better under Proposed rules or Background/General.

Well, I want rules questions in particular. I HAVE a bunch of rules questions -- including the nomenclature ones.

The updated rules for 1 and 3 can be found in Imperial Armour Volume 1, Second edition.

Not sure off hand on number 2.

Is the 'next step up from a lascannon' not an Icarus Pattern Lascannon?

That seems to just be a lascannon with a longer barrel and a better mount, able to target land and air... not a *heavier* lascannon...

Gavinfoxx wrote:
Okay, physically comparing models, which seems to require the smallest mount? The Doomhammer Laser, the Destroyer Tank Hunter laser, or the Valdor tank hunter laser? If you wanted to put one on a Macharius, which would be most plausible?

In ascending order of size:

Laser destroyer (which is now STR 9 AP 2): Leman Russ variant gun, about the size of a vanquisher or earthshaker cannon.

Neutron laser: Valdor gun, takes up half the hull of a "small" superheavy tank.

Magma cannon: Shadowsword variant gun, smaller visible barrel than the neutron laser, but only because most of it is mounted in the hull compared to the open-mount Valdor.

For a size comparison:



The laser destroyer is on the left tank in the front row, the neutron laser is on the two Valdors in the back. And of course there are a few standard lascannons so you can see how it scales up.