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After painstakingly building and scrapping list after list I have arrived at one worth play testing. Let me know what you all think.

Farseer with spirit stones

troops:
10 guardians in wave serpent (TL bright lance; holo-field; ghost walk matrix)
10 guardians in wave serpent (TL bright lance; holo-field; ghost walk matrix)
10 guardians in wave serpent (TL bright lance; holo-field; ghost walk matrix)
10 guardians in wave serpent (TL bright lance; holo-field; ghost walk matrix)
10 guardians in wave serpent (TL bright lance; holo-field)


Farsight Enclave allies:

Ethereal

Elite:
Riptide with ion accelerator and TL Fusion gun (earth caste pilot array; early warning override)

Troops:
3 Crisis suits (Bonding Knife and flamer)

Heavy:
3 Broadsides with High Yield Missiles and Smart missile system (Early Warning Override)

Total: 1847pts

Basically I deep strike the flamer crisis suits. The earth caste array makes the riptide that much more reliable. The broadsides are my dakka. The Wave serpents keep my troops alive. The main issue I have currently is anti-armor. The lances and the riptide are my only way to deal with av 13-14. Mind you they do okay at it. Also I dont have too much anti-flyer support in the list. I like how resilient the list is and how much dakka it can put out. Whatya guys think. Good, ok, bad, or it sucks?

Despite what you said in your post I would suggest that you are seriously short on anti infantry torrent. The Guardians really can't be relied on to deal with massed infantry because a) they are you scoring b) they are made of paper and c) they are very short ranged (putting both them and the Serpent in close). Functionally you have 3 HYMP, 1 Pie plate and 5 Serpent Shields to deal with infantry, which is nowhere near enough. Fast assault armies like Flesh Hound Daemons, Chaos Spawn, Necron Wraiths etc will all be on you by turn 2, and assuming they have some of there own fire support with the amount of firepower you have to work with they probably wouldn't even need to commit until turn 3-4, just sit in the midfield and control space. Honestly I think you are seriously overestimating the amount of AV13-14 you will need to deal with, simply changing 3 of those Serpents to have Scatters and underslung Cannons would make this list quite a bit more balanced. AV11-12 spam is quite a bit less common than it was, and S6 spam deals with that better in any case. 6th is much more infantry heavy, and this list feels like it has been designed for 5th.

Overall there is quite a bit of stuff in here which doesn't really make sense. The Farseer is basically going to do nothing since he can't cast out of a Serpent and the bulk of your army is twin linked in the first place. The Ethereal literally does nothing in this list (other than give up a VP? not sure if that is just if he is the Warlord or not). The 3 Suits give you far less than the equivilent points in Fire Warriors (you can't re-roll scatter, so you have to be very lucky to do much Deep Striking in). You can almost buy a unit of Jetbikes by dropping the Ghostwalk Matrix off all the Serpents. I would far rather have a Wraithknight over a Riptide in this list as well, it gives you a credible combat threat to stop people simply running straight into you.

Powerguy wrote:
Despite what you said in your post I would suggest that you are seriously short on anti infantry torrent. The Guardians really can't be relied on to deal with massed infantry because a) they are you scoring b) they are made of paper and c) they are very short ranged (putting both them and the Serpent in close). Functionally you have 3 HYMP, 1 Pie plate and 5 Serpent Shields to deal with infantry, which is nowhere near enough. Fast assault armies like Flesh Hound Daemons, Chaos Spawn, Necron Wraiths etc will all be on you by turn 2, and assuming they have some of there own fire support with the amount of firepower you have to work with they probably wouldn't even need to commit until turn 3-4, just sit in the midfield and control space. Honestly I think you are seriously overestimating the amount of AV13-14 you will need to deal with, simply changing 3 of those Serpents to have Scatters and underslung Cannons would make this list quite a bit more balanced. AV11-12 spam is quite a bit less common than it was, and S6 spam deals with that better in any case. 6th is much more infantry heavy, and this list feels like it has been designed for 5th.

Overall there is quite a bit of stuff in here which doesn't really make sense. The Farseer is basically going to do nothing since he can't cast out of a Serpent and the bulk of your army is twin linked in the first place. The Ethereal literally does nothing in this list (other than give up a VP? not sure if that is just if he is the Warlord or not). The 3 Suits give you far less than the equivilent points in Fire Warriors (you can't re-roll scatter, so you have to be very lucky to do much Deep Striking in). You can almost buy a unit of Jetbikes by dropping the Ghostwalk Matrix off all the Serpents. I would far rather have a Wraithknight over a Riptide in this list as well, it gives you a credible combat threat to stop people simply running straight into you.

The ethereal is just a warlord tax. He will go with the broadsides along with the farseer. The plan is to try and get fortune there. Tau and eldar are battle brothers so I can also make the riptide twin linked with his main gun. As for fire power you know that the wave serpents also have the ability to shoot d6 + 1 S7 shots that are also pinning and ignore cover? The 50 guardians can put out 100 shots a turn. If I disembark them I will be using them to mass fire on something. So most likely 2 to 3 units to make sure i kill something that is worth risking them for. Had 2 units kill 7 hounds by themselves last night. They are BS 4 now and their weapons are assault 2 and ap2 on rolls of 6's to wound. They are better then you give them credit for. I am curious which mass troops do you think I should be worried about?

TK, may I humbly suggest a generous re-think on your XV8 contingent? What you have (light sarcasm here ) makes me sad. Soo, much wasted potential.

No ethereal. Instead a Helios (PR/FB) Shas'O (Irid Armor, too). 2 more Helios buddies. The 3rd XV8 of the elite unit is promoted to 'Vre, and given the MSS and C&CN toys. Now all have AP2 yum, yum guns, Twin-Linked and Ignores Cover. It's killed 95% of what I've pointed it at. I add two GunDs for ablatives & the PNeuroChip. The ATT posters have named it the 'KingFisher'.

Yes, it'll eat into your DA points, but not all DAVUs need a full 10 space-elves, right?

Brothererekose wrote:
TK, may I humbly suggest a generous re-think on your XV8 contingent? What you have (light sarcasm here ) makes me sad. Soo, much wasted potential.

No ethereal. Instead a Helios (PR/FB) Shas'O (Irid Armor, too). 2 more Helios buddies. The 3rd XV8 of the elite unit is promoted to 'Vre, and given the MSS and C&CN toys. Now all have AP2 yum, yum guns, Twin-Linked and Ignores Cover. It's killed 95% of what I've pointed it at. I add two GunDs for ablatives & the PNeuroChip. The ATT posters have named it the 'KingFisher'.

Yes, it'll eat into your DA points, but not all DAVUs need a full 10 space-elves, right?

The farsight enclave doesn't have access to the tau signature items. Instead I take from the farsight enclave signature items. My previous taudar list had an iridium armored commander with no weapon. His sole perpuse was to twin link his squad, give them tank hunter, and ignore cover.

The 3 suits I have now are troops and a tax I have to pay for getting the riptide with the earth caste array. The added benefit is they are scoring and I can deep strike them on a hidden obj to flame someone.

 Tomb King wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:
TK, may I humbly suggest a generous re-think on your XV8 contingent? What you have (light sarcasm here ) makes me sad. Soo, much wasted potential.

No ethereal. Instead a Helios (PR/FB) Shas'O (Irid Armor, too). 2 more Helios buddies. The 3rd XV8 of the elite unit is promoted to 'Vre, and given the MSS and C&CN toys. Now all have AP2 yum, yum guns, Twin-Linked and Ignores Cover. It's killed 95% of what I've pointed it at. I add two GunDs for ablatives & the PNeuroChip. The ATT posters have named it the 'KingFisher'.

Yes, it'll eat into your DA points, but not all DAVUs need a full 10 space-elves, right?

The farsight enclave doesn't have access to the tau signature items. Instead I take from the farsight enclave signature items. My previous taudar list had an iridium armored commander with no weapon. His sole perpuse was to twin link his squad, give them tank hunter, and ignore cover.

The 3 suits I have now are troops and a tax I have to pay for getting the riptide with the earth caste array. The added benefit is they are scoring and I can deep strike them on a hidden obj to flame someone.

It seems like you've mentioned a lot of taxes for the ability to bring the earth caste riptide. It seems like one riptide does not put out enough dakka to go through such troubles to bring one. Most people will probably ignore him and chase your serpents.

Can a farsight force take an ethereal? I've only skimmed the codex but I thought I remembered a rule along the lines of no shadow sun or ethereals.

I've forgotten what the earth caste riptide pilot is all about but I'd gear the suit up for AA with a velocity tracker and add drones to the broadsides, probably drop the xv8s and slip in a min jetbikes squad if possible. Agree regarding more scatter lasers too.

 Tomb King wrote:
The farsight enclave doesn't have access to the tau signature items. Instead I take from the farsight enclave signature items.

Ah, noted.

 Tomb King wrote:
My previous taudar list had an iridium armored commander with no weapon. His sole perpuse was to twin link his squad, give them tank hunter, and ignore cover.

Well, when you run it next time, reverse the Sig Toys and have the Cmdr's BS5 in use, and let an XV8's BS3 be idle.

bogalubov wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

Brothererekose wrote:
TK, may I humbly suggest a generous re-think on your XV8 contingent? What you have (light sarcasm here ) makes me sad. Soo, much wasted potential.

No ethereal. Instead a Helios (PR/FB) Shas'O (Irid Armor, too). 2 more Helios buddies. The 3rd XV8 of the elite unit is promoted to 'Vre, and given the MSS and C&CN toys. Now all have AP2 yum, yum guns, Twin-Linked and Ignores Cover. It's killed 95% of what I've pointed it at. I add two GunDs for ablatives & the PNeuroChip. The ATT posters have named it the 'KingFisher'.

Yes, it'll eat into your DA points, but not all DAVUs need a full 10 space-elves, right?

The farsight enclave doesn't have access to the tau signature items. Instead I take from the farsight enclave signature items. My previous taudar list had an iridium armored commander with no weapon. His sole perpuse was to twin link his squad, give them tank hunter, and ignore cover.

The 3 suits I have now are troops and a tax I have to pay for getting the riptide with the earth caste array. The added benefit is they are scoring and I can deep strike them on a hidden obj to flame someone.

It seems like you've mentioned a lot of taxes for the ability to bring the earth caste riptide. It seems like one riptide does not put out enough dakka to go through such troubles to bring one. Most people will probably ignore him and chase your serpents.

The 10 man squad of defenders is the smallest you can take them. As for the crisis suits. A 3 man squad is required for every farsight enclave army.
The riptide advances a lot even with ws1 it still does pretty well taking things down. It still gets 3 smash attacks on the charge. The ability to re-roll his nova reactor roll is amazing because it just makes him that much more reliable in that sense. That can wound him if he fails that roll. If he gets the roll off he gets extra strength, extra dakka, a storm shield invul, or extra movement to get him on the opposite side of the table possibly in one turn. It also allows me to re-roll to hit rolls of one and to re-roll overheat rolls.

Brothererekose wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:
The farsight enclave doesn't have access to the tau signature items. Instead I take from the farsight enclave signature items.

Ah, noted.

 Tomb King wrote:
My previous taudar list had an iridium armored commander with no weapon. His sole perpuse was to twin link his squad, give them tank hunter, and ignore cover.

Well, when you run it next time, reverse the Sig Toys and have the Cmdr's BS5 in use, and let an XV8's BS3 be idle.

I ran him with broadsides with rail guns. They killed just about any tank I put them against.

Slow your roll, are you sure supplements are allowed at nova? I would check before basing list decisions on that. Iyanden maybe but farsight just dropped and the final mission brief comes out Aug 1...

 The Shrike wrote:
Slow your roll, are you sure supplements are allowed at nova? I would check before basing list decisions on that. Iyanden maybe but farsight just dropped and the final mission brief comes out Aug 1...

Mike Brandt Yes - Both will be legal, especially now that they updated the verbiage for Farsight being required to allow any of the Farsight Commander Team.
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Frankly, I'd drop the Tau enclave and complement the Eldar core army with some HS from the Eldar codex.

I agree with wuestenfux.... 2 Wraithknights are just too good not to take - they're pure win against Tau, which there probably will be a lot of at Nova.

Can the Riptide take the earth caste pilot array? In their army listing they do not have access to signature systems. I wanted to do the same thing but it looks to me like the only Riptide in the game that can bring one is the special character.

 Cpt Stubbs wrote:
Can the Riptide take the earth caste pilot array? In their army listing they do not have access to signature systems. I wanted to do the same thing but it looks to me like the only Riptide in the game that can bring one is the special character.

If you look where it says that Crisis suits can be Troops it also says that Riptides can take Sig. systems.

@OP: Why don't you just take regular Tau? Get the same stuff, drop the Crisis suits, get FW (or Kroot!) and spend the extra points on a few Tau PF. That would be decent because you have so much invested into allies.

Lucarikx

Thanks, I missed that!!

 Lucarikx wrote:

 Cpt Stubbs wrote:
Can the Riptide take the earth caste pilot array? In their army listing they do not have access to signature systems. I wanted to do the same thing but it looks to me like the only Riptide in the game that can bring one is the special character.

If you look where it says that Crisis suits can be Troops it also says that Riptides can take Sig. systems.

@OP: Why don't you just take regular Tau? Get the same stuff, drop the Crisis suits, get FW (or Kroot!) and spend the extra points on a few Tau PF. That would be decent because you have so much invested into allies.

Lucarikx

Because I honestly thing the Earth Caste Pilot array makes the riptides that much better..

Seems like deep striking crisis suits with flamers is rather risky. You are going to have to drop them pretty close to be in range and that seriously crunches on your ability to hedge against deep strike mishaps.

Have you thought of putting the farseer on a jetbike and running him attached to the riptide. That would allow him to buff units all over the field, JSJ, and T6 on the unit.

Did you have any specific plan for flyers or reroll to hit on your volume of S7 shots?

I think you may be right that your weakness is AV14. You have nothing that is particularly great against AV14. You could drop a ghost walk matrix or 3 to upgrade the suits with some fusion blasters. This would crack even a land raider very reliably.

Ghostwalk Matrix is overkill on the Serpents unless you expect the terrain to be so dense that you can't land them in open terrain at all (thus avoiding the dangerous terrain check). With your holo-fields you'll have a 4+ cover just from moving and 3+ when moving flat out. The only time you won't is the opponent's first turn if you're going second, and if so, deploy behind cover instead of in it.

I would drop some or all of the Bright Lances on your Serpents for Scatter Lasers. Twinlinking the Serpent Shield is HUGE and effective against any target except AV 14, and the Scatter Laser is a beast itself against anything but AV13-14. Use the points you saved from cutting Ghostwalk Matrix to equip your Tau allies with anti-heavy armor weaponry to shore up that weakness.