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Daemons causes great terror and fear not just to humans but to every other beings in the galaxy, that would include xenos too. My question is how good are xenos at countering daemons attacks and invasions? not just the playable xeno races but every xenos in the fluff. Are any of them as good as the Grey Knights in countering daemon attacks? or do most xenos just get destroyed easily by daemons?

Xenos vary incredibly. Some are better, some are worse. Some, like the Tau are less easily corrupted (because they have a tiny psychic presence) but can still be destroyed, captured, or tormented just as easily as humans. Others, like the Eldar, are biologically vulnerable to daemons, but the culture of Craftworld Eldar is entirely built around avoiding chaos, so they aren't corrupted or killed by daemons very often. Tyranids have no emotion and are geared towards war, so they would be very good at fighting daemons, and daemons would have little to gain from fighting them.

It varies. It depends on their culture, their biology, how many of them there are, and how often they come into contact with daemons.

Depends on the Xenos.

Orks are amazingly resilient, mentally and physically, and have no issues fighting daemons.

Waaagh Tuska went into the eye of terror and facesmashed daemons until they finally ran out of orks, Khorne himself was so impressed he transplanted some to his realm. Orks are pretty much fearless, especially en masse.

Eldar fear daemons, and are vulnerable to them, but make up for it in overwhelming firepower.

Tau have little warp-presence, so don't really attract daemons much. The are more than capable of shooting the gak out of them if they do show up.

DE - see Eldar, but even more paranoid about not attracting daemonic attention, hence no psykers allowed.

Grey Knights are Daemon-hunting specialists, so they are better than most at killing them, Humanity as a whole is not.

I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities. I mean, yeah it's also proven an especially effective weapon against astrotelepathy and all, but if you think about it, Tyranids are practically all psychers. Without the SitW, I bet daemons would be ripping outta 'nid heads pretty much 24-7.

 greg0985 wrote:
I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities. I mean, yeah it's also proven an especially effective weapon against astrotelepathy and all, but if you think about it, Tyranids are practically all psychers. Without the SitW, I bet daemons would be ripping outta 'nid heads pretty much 24-7.

The shadow isn't something the Tyranids create on purpose, it's the side effect of how overwhelming the psychic chatter and communion of every single Tyranid down to the last phage cell is. The reason most people die when they hear it is because it's like every living thing on earth, from the largest whales and trees, down to the tiniest bacteria and protists, screaming at once and you are at the epicenter of all of it.

Daemons react to it the same way Psykers do, with extreme pain and discomfort. So when they see the psychic presence of a hive fleet rolling in they prefer to stay well away. Possessing a Tyranid linked to synapse creatures would need overcoming the Hive Mind, the combined screaming and hunger of over a dozen galaxies rendered into Tyranid form. To corrupt them needs plying them away from the hive mind, and as even the most intelligent Tyranids have no emotional capacity with or without the hive mind there's no point.

There's nothing Chaos gains out of fighting the swarm besides a good fight. Better to leave them be and only fight them if they encroach on a chaos held world. Their primary followers also mainly call them to fight the Imperium to the exclusion of other foes, after all most of them have a grudge against the followers of the Emperor, why should they care about what Xenos do?

 Kain wrote:
Daemons react to it the same way Psykers do, with extreme pain and discomfort.

When has that shown to be the case?

Chaos Daemons were able to battle Tyranids just fine on Sondheim V.

I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities.

Not based on fluff unfortunately.

Unless you believe the Chaos Gods/Daemons are extra Galactic. What Warp entities might they defend against?

Point being: Nids are not from this/our Galaxy and therefore did not ever need to evolve a "defense" against Chaos, let alone Daemon entities.

Does Chaos exist in Andromada for example (our nearest "pure" Galaxy)? Only if there are beings there that feed it. Who knows.

Nids care not, Orks even less so

 Ratius wrote:

I'd imagine that the Shadow in the Warp evolved in the Tyranids as a psychic defense agains intrusive warp entities.

Not based on fluff unfortunately.

Unless you believe the Chaos Gods/Daemons are extra Galactic. What Warp entities might they defend against?

Point being: Nids are not from this/our Galaxy and therefore did not ever need to evolve a "defense" against Chaos, let alone Daemon entities.

Does Chaos exist in Andromada for example (our nearest "pure" Galaxy)? Only if there are beings there that feed it. Who knows.

Nids care not, Orks even less so

Tyranids are kinda known for evolving rapidly to counter new threats, though - I don't see them having a problem coming up with a way to effectively fight daemons shortly after running into them.

That said, like Kain said, it's a happy coincidence rather than a planned defense.

There's nothing Chaos gains out of fighting the swarm besides a good fight.

They actually gain next to nothing.
Barring a Fleet entering a Warp breech, Daemons/Chaos gain exactly zero from fighting Nids, since they have no presence whatsoever in the Warp.
The Hive Mind "overshadows/interrupts the Warp" , they do not exist in it like other entities do.
Sometimes people mix up the Hive Mind with Warp Gods.

Its a Gestalt conciousness that over-rides any psychic entity it comes into contact with. It dosent destroy that entity, it just suppresses it wholesale - hence why, imho, the Hive Mind is the most powerful entity in the Galaxy (despite GWs attempts to counter it with Ctan Gods and Warp Gods).

It cares not. It is essentially: Inter-Galactic in scale and focus.

Yet an Ultramarine forces his way into its mind every Tuesday or so.

The Hive Mind creates a psychic screech that disturbs the Warp, but it can't block it wholesale.

It dosent destroy that entity, it just suppresses it wholesale -

The Hive Mind creates a psychic screech that disturbs the Warp, but it can't block it wholesale.

Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

Yet an Ultramarine forces his way into its mind every Tuesday or so.

Are you referring to the Librarian that "established" contact with the HM?
He felt its emotions, akin to an Ant trying to understand Human logic/feelings.

 Ratius wrote:

Are you referring to the Librarian that "established" contact with the HM?
He felt its emotions, akin to an Ant trying to understand Human logic/feelings.

I'd rather say that it was a human entering the conciousness of the ant. An inter-galactic, world-devouring ant. Tyranids are essentially like ants. To a human, an ant would be equally as alien as the Tyranids. But then I consider ants to be more advanced than humans anyway, in most things.

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Are you referring to the Librarian that "established" contact with the HM?

Tigurius repeatedly foresaw the movements of a Hive Fleet (Behemoth I think), greatly aiding the Imperial forces, and is believed by some to have actually accessed the Hive Mind to so accurately predict it.

Also, Chaos is explicitly stated to be the greatest threat to the Imperium.

 Ratius wrote:

Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

I read what you stated.

What you stated was wrong.

Are you referring to the Librarian that "established" contact with the HM?
He felt its emotions, akin to an Ant trying to understand Human logic/feelings.

Whereas any human that makes contact with Slaanesh becomes its thrall for all eternity.

There, direct comparison.

Weakest Chaos God > Hive Mind.

Orks love daemons. They tend to give the best fights.

Necrons have tech specially designed to counter the warp.

Eldar also have tech like the necrons, though I would imagine their's to be slightly more efficient since they are psykers (or in the case of the DE, were psykers)

Tau handle daemons badly, it would seem. In that bit of fluff leaked from the Farsight supplement, the Tau forces had to answer to the sudden daemon invasion. However, Tau have no significant presence in the warp, so daemons tend to ignore them (unless there is a strong daemonic presence)

Tyranids treat daemons like everything else; swarm them. Though they would most likely avoid daemons when possible, due to the lack of biomass. Can't eat dreams after all.

Sorry, VD, was kinda drunk last night

Cant agree with your analogy of a human falling to Slannesh = Tigerius "foreseeing" the Hive Minds movements.
Infact I'd counter the HM did aTzeentch and let him see what they wanted him to see.

I still think the HM is singely the most powerful entity outside the Warp.

 Ratius wrote:

I still think the HM is singely the most powerful entity outside the Warp.

Well, one thing for everyone to consider is that the Chaos Gods' own power "outside the warp" is rather limited (relatively speaking). They can give blessings and whispers here and there and that's about it. That's why Abaddon wants to have the warp consume the material galaxy, if I recall correctly. And also why the Tyranids are presumed to be toast if they get sucked into a vortex.

As for greatest THREAT, the Imperium itself calls Chaos the arch enemy. The whole thing about the Tyranids forcing mobilization of every single human in the Imperium including its children is still just just a forecast by the Mechanicus. Currently it's the 13th Black Crusade that's ACTUALLY forced the largest mobilization the Imperium has ever had to do. So I guess you could say that Chaos is regarded as the biggest threat right now but the Tyranids are speculated to possibly be a bigger threat in the future if their entire whatever arrives.

Don't forget there are worse things in the Warp than daemons...

The so-called Enslavers hang around in some remote corner, waiting for a chance to once again enslave all of the galaxy. Even the daemons cross to the other side of the road for those.

I think in some old fluff there was mention of a race that essentially beat the daemons in it's sector by controling the warp, but was wiped out by the IoM.

And in the Greyknight book it states that they gained their "Thesract Prisons" from another race, whom they ruined their relations with. Meaning somewhere out there is Xenos race which has the answer to the whole demon problem, but the GK have their heads to far up their arses that they don't want to talk to them...

DrunkPhilisoph wrote:
I think in some old fluff there was mention of a race that essentially beat the daemons in it's sector by controling the warp, but was wiped out by the IoM.

And in the Greyknight book it states that they gained their "Thesract Prisons" from another race, whom they ruined their relations with. Meaning somewhere out there is Xenos race which has the answer to the whole demon problem, but the GK have their heads to far up their arses that they don't want to talk to them...

Tesseract Labyrinths come from the Necrons.

Necrons have excellent defences against Daemons, such as Null Field matrices. Generally, there is almost no reason for Daemons to be fighting Necrons, as they gain nothing from it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Orks love daemons. They tend to give the best fights.

Necrons have tech specially designed to counter the warp.

Eldar also have tech like the necrons, though I would imagine their's to be slightly more efficient since they are psykers (or in the case of the DE, were psykers)

Tau handle daemons badly, it would seem. In that bit of fluff leaked from the Farsight supplement, the Tau forces had to answer to the sudden daemon invasion. However, Tau have no significant presence in the warp, so daemons tend to ignore them (unless there is a strong daemonic presence)

Tyranids treat daemons like everything else; swarm them. Though they would most likely avoid daemons when possible, due to the lack of biomass. Can't eat dreams after all.

Drowzee used Dream Eater!! ... you... are... wrong!

P.s... Eldar tech is way more INefficient,.. destroy a soul/spirit stone.. bye soul! And if a Dark Eldar doesnt get to torture anytime soon he ages/loses life force etc hence he dies...

Tau can shoot daemons back into the warp easy... but it doesnt happen often... Daemons would rather fight humans,.. they who have a very delicious warp signature and are easily corrupted and twisted around their fingers ready to be manipulated or posessed... Plus they hate the Emperor... and im guessing they would very much like to see humanity wiped out... or used as an eternal feeding ground... Though i believe there was a GW book that told that Chaos devouring the galaxy is an eternal returning process... They whipe the universe out... universe reboots.... chaos is reborn.... chaos feasts once more...

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Orks love daemons. They tend to give the best fights.

Necrons have tech specially designed to counter the warp.

Eldar also have tech like the necrons, though I would imagine their's to be slightly more efficient since they are psykers (or in the case of the DE, were psykers)

Tau handle daemons badly, it would seem. In that bit of fluff leaked from the Farsight supplement, the Tau forces had to answer to the sudden daemon invasion. However, Tau have no significant presence in the warp, so daemons tend to ignore them (unless there is a strong daemonic presence)

Tyranids treat daemons like everything else; swarm them. Though they would most likely avoid daemons when possible, due to the lack of biomass. Can't eat dreams after all.

Drowzee used Dream Eater!! ... you... are... wrong!

P.s... Eldar tech is way more INefficient,.. destroy a soul/spirit stone.. bye soul! And if a Dark Eldar doesnt get to torture anytime soon he ages/loses life force etc hence he dies...

Tau can shoot daemons back into the warp easy... but it doesnt happen often... Daemons would rather fight humans,.. they who have a very delicious warp signature and are easily corrupted and twisted around their fingers ready to be manipulated or posessed... Plus they hate the Emperor... and im guessing they would very much like to see humanity wiped out... or used as an eternal feeding ground... Though i believe there was a GW book that told that Chaos devouring the galaxy is an eternal returning process... They whipe the universe out... universe reboots.... chaos is reborn.... chaos feasts once more...

Huh, odd. You'd think a psychic race would know how to fight psychic enemies. Oh well....

Therein also lies the greatest danger,


the better a psycher you are the larger your warp signal becomes,.. thus larger predators try to claim your soul! Thus difficulty of resistance increases.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Therein also lies the greatest danger,


the better a psycher you are the larger your warp signal becomes,.. thus larger predators try to claim your soul! Thus difficulty of resistance increases.

It's relatively easy for an Eldar psyker to avoid attracting Daemonic entities: their runes which they use guide them as to how much power they can safely draw at a time and even then, their psychic presence is masked by their Ghosthelms, making it incredibly difficult for a daemon to find a trained Eldar psyker.

Iranna.

 Ratius wrote:
Unless you believe the Chaos Gods/Daemons are extra Galactic. What Warp entities might they defend against?

Point being: Nids are not from this/our Galaxy and therefore did not ever need to evolve a "defense" against Chaos, let alone Daemon entities.

Does Chaos exist in Andromada for example (our nearest "pure" Galaxy)? Only if there are beings there that feed it. Who knows.

I have difficulty believing the Warp is limited to just our galaxy. In its capacity as an emotional "mirror" of sorts to our dimension, I can see the Warp being tranquil/devoid of much daemonic activity in the areas corresponding to our empty, intergalactic space - and in that sense, the four Chaos gods we know are probably local to our galaxy - but I would certainly imagine that the warp, insofar as it can be geographically defined, matches the Universe in size, and that each galaxy also has its own daemons to match their native lifeforms.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Fluffwise they can't, they're driven mad simply by being within the shadow and attempting to use their power causes severe neural damage and is likely to kill them.

 Ascalam wrote:
Depends on the Xenos.

Orks are amazingly resilient, mentally and physically, and have no issues fighting daemons.

Waaagh Tuska went into the eye of terror and facesmashed daemons until they finally ran out of orks, Khorne himself was so impressed he transplanted some to his realm. Orks are pretty much fearless, especially en masse.

Eldar fear daemons, and are vulnerable to them, but make up for it in overwhelming firepower.

Tau have little warp-presence, so don't really attract daemons much. The are more than capable of shooting the gak out of them if they do show up.

DE - see Eldar, but even more paranoid about not attracting daemonic attention, hence no psykers allowed.

Grey Knights are Daemon-hunting specialists, so they are better than most at killing them, Humanity as a whole is not.

I love Tuska the Daemon Killa.

I quote, "The Daemon Prince mad a gesture to his Chaos Gods... The the Warboss raised his power Klaw between the Daemon Pronces legs. And made a gesture of his own" ORKS ORKS ORKS!!!

 PrinceRaven wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Fluffwise they can't, they're driven mad simply by being within the shadow and attempting to use their power causes severe neural damage and is likely to kill them.

Fluffwise they can.

Farseer Kelmon and the Farseer council of Iyanden used psychic power to transmit their appeal for aid to Yriel, and subsequently they also used their powers to fight the Tyranids on board Iyanden. Kelmon's body was described as being surrounded by Tyranid bodies burnt by psychic fire. All this is from the Iyanden supplement.

The Shadow in the Warp makes things hard and dangerous, but not impossible.

Iracundus wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Ratius wrote:


Suppress does not equal block. Re-read what I stated.

The Shadow in the Warp still doesn't suppress the Warp wholesale. Otherwise Psykers could never use their abilities near it.

Fluffwise they can't, they're driven mad simply by being within the shadow and attempting to use their power causes severe neural damage and is likely to kill them.

Fluffwise they can.

Farseer Kelmon and the Farseer council of Iyanden used psychic power to transmit their appeal for aid to Yriel, and subsequently they also used their powers to fight the Tyranids on board Iyanden. Kelmon's body was described as being surrounded by Tyranid bodies burnt by psychic fire. All this is from the Iyanden supplement.

The Shadow in the Warp makes things hard and dangerous, but not impossible.

Probably the various paraphernalia Eldar psykers have to make using their psychic powers safe, combined with how powerful they are, allows them to use their powers while under the shadow. I doubt any human psykers would be able to.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Probably the various paraphernalia Eldar psykers have to make using their psychic powers safe, combined with how powerful they are, allows them to use their powers while under the shadow. I doubt any human psykers would be able to.

It's a bit harder but still possible. Where Eldar use runes and subtlety a human psyker often uses pure raw power. He might die from the attempt (more often than Eldar) but his powers are not diminished as such, only his ability to make them go off.