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Cygnar - Skirmish Points: 50/50
Captain Allister Caine 5
Hunter 6
Hunter 6
Avenger 9
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (3) 4
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (6) 6
Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer 2
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (6) 6
Stormblade Infantry (6) 5
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Infantry (6) 5
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Points: 50/50
I was really tryin to bring the pain from a distance with this one, because I really like playing ranged armies. What do you guys think?

My thoughts:

1. You'll probably want to pare down/move 'jacks over from Caine's battlegroup to the ATGM officer's group: Caine is a really powerful on the offense with ROF infinity pistols, but as a consequence this means he's greedy with his focus and doesn't have a lot to hand out. I would probably move the Avenger over to The Dude since he gets the most mileage out of the rune bullets and you really only need to boost the attack roll to guarantee the knockdown on his gun.

1.a. Adding a Squire and Reinholdt would go a long way to upping his killing power for 3 points.

2. I can see what you're thinking with the Stormblades, but I would caution them against using them as a gunline even with the 'Gunners (the rest of the unit's range is much shorter, and automatically missing for being out of range trumps the autohit rule on the Stormgunners). They also have a relatively low RAT with no ways to boost it in this army sans aiming. That said, they ARE good as a melee threat when you're enemy gets tired of you shooting them and comes in, so I would keep at least one unit (maybe with the UA to do some work on the charge).

3. I'd drop the non-UA Gun Mages for a unit of Rangers: the non-UA Gun Mages aren't doing much more for you (between Caine and the other unit, you have plenty of ways to kill light infantry at range) and the +2 to ranged attacks is extremely useful.

How I'd shuffle things around:

Captain Allister Caine 5
-Hunter 6
Reinholdt 1
Squire 2
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (3) 4
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (6) 6
Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer 2
-Avenger 9
Rangers (6) 5
Stormblade Infantry (6) 5
Stormblade Infantry Officer and Standard 3
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Infantry (6) 5
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1
Stormblade Storm Gunner 1

Dropped a Hunter since with 2 full units of Stormblades you have the tools to crack open anything heavy that survives making it to melee, so doubling up on Hunters isn't exactly critical. One point to play with, so maybe dropping a Storm Gunner from one unit for a support solo (Gorman, probably Rhupert to keep your Stormblades alive) wouldn't be a bad idea.

Okay, first, don't show point costs. Those who's help you will actually want will have the point costs, and Showing the points for everything is a bit of a no-no.

Second, just say "Stormblades with 3 storm gunners" bit less "Wall of text"-ey.

Third, and now for real advice, I think you have too many Jacks, and are missing a couple of eCains favorite support units. Try marshaling the Hunters with the Gun Mages, to reduce the focus load on Caine (who is rather selfish with focus), and to benefit from Rune Shot. Hunters only really need 1 boost (For damage, RAT 7 can generally hit the 'Jacks and Beasts they aim for- especially if they actually Aim), and the Gunmages provide that, plus a selection of other options via Rune Shot.

Also, i would strongly recommend grabbing Rheinholdt and a Squire- both give Caine an extra shot (basically- both can do other stuff), and he likes to do his own shooting.

My last thought is that you really seem to have just thrown a couple Stormblade units in there without much thought to synergy. Caine doesn't really add anything to them, so they need something to support them.

I would suggest this as a similar list:

eCaine
->Avenger
->Squire

Gunmages with UA
->Hunter

Gunmages

Stormblades
->UA
->3x Stormgunners

Journeyman Warcaster
->Hunter

Rheinholdt

Eiryss (either, depending on expected enemies)

Basically, I cut the second Stormblade unit to allow for some useful support (Eiryss, Squire, Rheinhodlt, and Jr.), and used the extra points to enlarge the remaining unit. Basically, Jr. puts arcane shield on the Stormblades, and helps with the Jack support, Eiryss helps take down casters (fitting with eCaines good assassination run), and the squire/Rheinholdt give Caine more punch.

Some other options with be to play around with some other useful support solos instead of the ones I suggested. Anyways, have fun running whatever you do decide on doing.

Edit: Gah, forgot the Black 13th. Revising the above list, maybe look at replacing the second gunmage unit with them and your choice of 2-point support solos (Such as Gorman di Wulfe or Rhupert Carvolo).

Have Fun, eh?

Whats wrong with showing point costs? I have posted at least 40 army lists with point costs and have never heard of this.

Thank you everyone for the responses. If you are wondering about the strange format, it was because I copied and pasted it from an online list maker.

KingKodo wrote:
Whats wrong with showing point costs? I have posted at least 40 army lists with point costs and have never heard of this.

It's because PP doesn't want people posting full stats online, which some people take to interpreting as being any explicit number being completely verboten, even though unit costs are listed online in several places and PP doesn't appear to care.

Chozo wrote:

KingKodo wrote:
Whats wrong with showing point costs? I have posted at least 40 army lists with point costs and have never heard of this.

It's because PP doesn't want people posting full stats online, which some people take to interpreting as being any explicit number being completely verboten, even though unit costs are listed online in several places and PP doesn't appear to care.

PP even advertised for Forward Kommander back when Army Builder was throwing one of their tantrums. They had their boards change all references to AB to a link to Forward Kommander. Generally, unless it's a copy from FK's clipboard, point costs can be left off. Personally, I wouldn't want help from people that don't know/too lazy to look up the points for things as they give me advice on lists.

As to the actual list, I have to agree with what's already been posted. Stormblades and eCaine just aren't a great pairing. He needs some kind of self sustaining unit that doesn't require a lot of support. Something that can play front line and tie up things trying to get to your excellent shooting. Most Cygnar players tend to look to Boomhowlers for that.

Something like this would be how I would do it:

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cygnar
Casters: 1/1
Points: 50/50
Captain Allister Caine (*5pts)
* Avenger (9pts)
* Squire (2pts)
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
* Arcane Tempest Gun Mage Officer (2pts)
* * Hunter (6pts)
* * Hunter (6pts)
Black 13th Gun Mage Strike Team (4pts)
Greygore Boomhowler & Co. (Boomhowler and 9 Grunts) (9pts)
* Captain Jonas Murdoch (2pts)
Rangers (5pts)
Journeyman Warcaster (3pts)
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator (1pts)

I heartily disagree with the above opinions on Stormblades, especially with Caine. They more or less take care of themselves. If you run them with a Stromclad and Strangeways, you have self sufficient melee brick and tar pit to throw in the other army's way. It puts your opponents in this wonderful position of either dealing with that brick, or dealing with Caine... As it is difficult to do both effectively. Playing like this lets you run Caine as a super solo, which he loves. Throw in the Piper, and now they could be pathfinder or tough as the situation demands.

Lest we forget, this also allows Caine to have what is arguably the second best melee jack in the faction at his disposal should things go south.

This isn't how I run Caine at 50 pts, but at lower levels, it's a great combination, while still leaving points for all the merc and accuracy support Caine needs to pull off the assassination.

If you feel so inclined, take a gander at my comparable list here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543198.page