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I was curious with say...a carniviean or a kahdor warjack like the juggernaut...how many initial attacks do you get before you have to start spending focus or building rage?

Each "weapon" on the card gets a single initial attack. Note that you can't make initial ranged and melee attacks in the same turn barring having a rule that allows it.

so with a carnivean I can bite make a couple melee swings and then start building up rage to get extra attacks? or beat him down then throw him?

Throw is a Power Attack. Power Attacks replace your Initial Attacks.

ahhhh ok I think I got it now lol, thank you

That said, if you have more than one melee weapon on your stat card you can still make initial attacks with all of them. Some warbeasts (Skorne comes to mind) have some interesting abilities that let you slam if you hit with your initial attacks. Not sure if anybody else has that. Otherwise you do give up your attacks if you want to slam/throw/arm lock/whatever (but I'm pretty sure you can still buy additional attacks).

so can you make 1 initial attack and pass up the rest to throw? like charge, bite then make a 2 handed throw

No, power attacks are separate from regular attacks. If you make a power attack you can't make any other initial attacks (not sure if you can buy additional attacks after a power attack, although I would lean towards "yes" at the moment).

Yes, you can buy additional attacks after a power attack. You could trample over some infantry and then buy attacks against the warjack standing behind them.

You get 1 initial attack with each weapon each turn, you can only make either ranged or melee attacks in a single activation unless you have Virtuoso or some other rule that let you make both. If a power attack is made it consumes all initial attacks.

Ranged weapons can only have additional attacks bought with it if its RoF is greater than 1.

Chain Attack Smash and Grab allows for a break of this rule in that it allows for a throw, headbutt, or two handed throw (possibly something else) if you hit with both initial attacks. This power attack is free. Just something to look out for.

Yeah, that is one situation where a power attack will not use your initials. I don't know of any others.

Basically, if you charge you can't power attack unless you have a special ability that allows you to such as Smash and Grab. Otherwise you can walk into melee and do power attacks. Though, power attacks are rare in most cases but some do have their purposes. Like arm locking your own Warnoun to prevent being pushed.

so other than making power attacks, after my initials if I'm not boosting and whatnot I can keep buying attacks as well untill I max out on fury...or run out of focus...that's awesome

Yes, you will find hordes has much higher potential damage output than warmachine, but it seems they generally cant take as many hits and their warlock gets significantly weaker/less effective as their lose beasts, whereas when a warcaster loses a warjack, they just have more focus for themselves or their other warjacks. There are some skorne and legion heavies that can make 7 or 8 attacks? You have to be able to leech all that fury or risk frenzy though.

I had that happen in a game against legion, Typhon frenzied, smashed his own raek I believe, which left it wide open to a charge from my behemoth.

KingKodo wrote:
Yes, you will find hordes has much higher potential damage output than warmachine, but it seems they generally cant take as many hits and their warlock gets significantly weaker/less effective as their lose beasts, whereas when a warcaster loses a warjack, they just have more focus for themselves or their other warjacks. There are some skorne and legion heavies that can make 7 or 8 attacks? You have to be able to leech all that fury or risk frenzy though.

I had that happen in a game against legion, Typhon frenzied, smashed his own raek I believe, which left it wide open to a charge from my behemoth.

Bronzeback is the king of attacks with 8 possible per turn on the charge while under effect by a PGBH.

Note, Carnivean has the Assault Rule that states it can make its ranged spray before the initials

 Surtur wrote:


Bronzeback is the king of attacks with 8 possible per turn on the charge while under effect by a PGBH.

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3 Initials
Headbutt
5 Fury

Yar! I should have remembered smash and grab! Anyway, the thing can kill a colossal on it's own with the right buffs. It's scurry.

It can kill a Colossal with Fury left over.

I almost always end up charging a heavy and going "dang, I only used 1 fury to kill that. I wanted more."

Bronzeback under Xerxis can kill 2 Colossals in 1 turn if their next to each other

You don't mess with 9x Pow 22+3d6 (4d6 on the charge attack)

here is another dumb question since I have all these posters on here....can warlocks spend fury to boost warbeasts attack and damage rolls? or just the warbeasts themselves...I know...stupid question lol

warbeasts have to force to boost themselves. Warlocks have their own attacks they can boost.

Beasts generate their own fury. So they can boost/buy up to their FURY stat limit. After that it's on to the next model.

I kinda figured...but it never hurts to ask =p

I've been thinking.

If you get the charge off do you get the charge bonus to all initial attacks or just the first one?

Also do mounts count as weapons during initial attacks?

Say you've got a stormlance. He calls an assault order, charges, shoots, then hits with his lance(charge bonus applies here) then does his mount make an attack and does it get a charge bonus?

Only one attack is the charge attack, and gets the boost. The rest of the initials are made normally.

Mount attacks are NOT weapons, they are mount attacks. And no, they cannot get the charge bonus.

Just to be more preciese the first melee attack made by a figure is the charge attack and therefore would be eligible for the damage boost. Remeber that you do not have to make attacks in the order that is listed on the model's card. You are free to pick in choose the order in which you make your initial attacks.