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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 20:52:12
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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So as the title says....I will most likely 95% sure being running a Doom Legion alpha strike with back up support. Can anyone give me advice or insight about the doom legion? I want to know if there is anything tactically speaking about them....think how do they run the show? Could I bring in Telion and Tigurius stats line and just rename them my own? Is that frowned upon? Any insight on this subject would be greatly appreciated!
Mr. Raynor
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 20:59:30
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Doom_Legion#.Ui42DX-ql3s
Being UM Successors, they're most likely very Codex-adherent, so renaming UM ICs should be no problem. It's your army, after all.
Given that they're primarily based on a star-fortress, they most likely specialize in boarding actions and CQB, otherwise they specialize in pressing the buttons that fires some space-station super-laser, which isn't very interesting on the table-top.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 21:06:01
Subject: Re:Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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I want to run Sternguard and scouts for the most part. Maybe a thunder fire cannon or two?? Would this fit the description of them and I have already read that websites information. It basically says the whole story about how half of their legion betrayed them to chaos which would go nicely with my Dar Angels and Iyanden themed armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 21:11:37
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Well, according to the scant fluff on the Chapter, they seem to be stationed in a massive space-station way out in the arse-end of nowhere and largely forgotten about. It's implied that they don't deploy very often, instead waiting for problems to come to them and their giant space-lasers.
They also lost a huge part of the Chapter to Chaos during the Abyssal Crusade, and are on the mend with their Loyalist remnants. You could probably get away with the Sternguard, though with their rebuilding process, I'm not so sure on the Scouts. They may have rushed those who were Scouts into Battle Brother status, or not. We just don't have details on that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/09 21:48:24
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Ultimately, the star fortress is their "base", like a Chapter would have a homeworld, or a fleet based chapter might have its main battle barge. But they're going to have a fleet to go places in, and a chapter structure that at least somewhat echoes a normal chapter.
I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about what would or wouldn't be typical or fluffy for them. There wouldn't be much point of having a Space Marine Chapter that doesn't actually Space Marine. Even the Imperial Fists roam around the galaxy looking for fights, and they are based on Terra.
After all, a Chapter serf can pull the trigger on a giant space laser. You don't need a Space Marine for that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 05:16:03
Subject: Re:Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Does anyone have any suggestions on which direction I can take these guys? I want them to be a drop pod army followed closing by LSS scouts. I guess at this point I can make up my own story....this could get interesting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 09:06:51
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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There is a short story about them on the Black Library website, it might be an interesting read
http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/judgement.html
It looks as if it goes into how the chapter rebuilt after the Abyssal Crusade, after the majority went rogue.
It is curious as the whole chapter seemed to have been declared Traitoris after the crusade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 13:45:26
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Either a retcon, the author not paying attention and being a bit inconsistent, or they got that traitor status removed after the Inquisition determined that the remnants were still loyal. Take your pick, I suppose.
In the author's defense, apparently the Doom Legion in earlier editions still existed as a loyalist legion after the Abyssal Crusade already happened (it was 5th Edition Codex Space Marines that mentioned them as loyal as late as the 13th Black Crusade, I think?) so it was technically the Abyssal Crusade's expanded fluff that screwed up in the first place. Perhaps this short story where most turned traitor while the rest stayed loyal is the author reconciling these two differences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 14:49:09
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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Yes they were a loyalist Legion, but the the Chaos Codex came and changed that and now the Space Marine codex has come out and once again changed that.
The short story hopefully goes into how this happened and clears it up.
Usually though, once you have been declared Traitoris there isn't a way back. That's why it's curious.
Ok so I bought the story and here is the explanation -
I suppose, Lord Konstantos, that we must be thankful that your entire Chapter did not enter the Eye of Terror, or perhaps you would all have fallen from the path of righteousness
So why declare a Chapter traitoris when there were still loyal elements including the Chapter Master, seems a bit of an arse about tit way of doing things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 19:04:23
Subject: Re:Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Would it be cheesy to run Doom Legion colors on special characters?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/09/10 19:21:53
Subject: Ultramarines CT w/Doom Legion Successors
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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In a world full of Minimum Size Dire Avenger Wave Serpent Spam, Self-Allied Tau running four Riptides, Tzeentch Spam, and Quadruple Helldrake lists, I don't think you could possibly do anything with Codex: Space Marines that ends up being "cheesy".
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