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I don't know about other armies but the way some SW units are worded you can give up your CCW for another ranged weapon. What I propose is that if you are locked in CCW, and do not have a specified CCW, you still are considered being armed with a CCW BUT you can only fight at Initiative step 1.

Rulebook states any model without any form of CCW automatically counts as being armed with one, as in, its part of their wargear.

blood lance wrote:
Rulebook states any model without any form of CCW automatically counts as being armed with one, as in, its part of their wargear.

I know, but then what is the point have having a CCW, if you can hold a flamer in one hand and Bolter in the other. It seems broken that you can rapid fire someone one turn, flame and charge them in the next and still fight at a full initiative step. Or have a scout armed with a sniper rifle peck off units from across the board, then when they get in 12" you rapid fire them, rapid fire them again at overwatch, then if you have a higher initiative you get to hit first.


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Also the BRB says specifically stated as having a CCW, they are stated as having one, they just traded it off so they could have a better ranged attack.

If you are going to beef up your ranged attacks that's fine, but you should also lose something in the CCW attacks. Just like if you have two CCW, you have no ranged attacks.

Bayonets and gun clubbing is your friend.

There is no reason a bayonet or but stroking someone with a gun, should be just as good as a chain sword.

Make a new class of CCWs like power weapons but with two worse AP.

Chainsword, AP5, S:User, at initiative.

Chain Axe: AP4, S: User +1, unweildy.

Maul: AP6, S: User + 2, at initiative.

Lance: AP5 on charge, AP6 off it, S:+1 on charge, at initiative.

Done.

Didn't they have something similar in the previous editions?

Yeah, make them pay a modest fee for it, but give it free to dedicated assault units like sluggas, bezerkers, and assault marines.

 Kain wrote:
Make a new class of CCWs like power weapons but with two worse AP.

Chainsword, AP5, S:User, at initiative.

Chain Axe: AP4, S: User +1, unweildy.

Maul: AP6, S: User + 2, at initiative.

Lance: AP5 on charge, AP6 off it, S:+1 on charge, at initiative.

Done.

I approve this idea.