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This is my new idea and approach for a Super Tough, hard hitting, CSM list that lets me use my favorite models. I am
hoping for something semi-competitive but I would like Dakka's feedback on that part. I realize I am lacking flyers, but I
considered that beforehand.

HQ

1x Chaos Lord - TDA, MoN, GoM, BBoS, PF 175

1x Sorcerer- TDA, ML3, Spell Familiar, GoM - 160

Elites

5x Chaos Terminators - 4x Combi Weps, 2x LC, 1x CF, 1x HF, 2x PA MoN - 239

5x Chaos Terminators - 4x Combi Weps, 2x LC, 1x CF, 1x HF, 2x PA MoN - 239

5x Chaos Terminators - 4x Combi Weps, 2x LC, 1x CF, 1x HF, 2x PA MoN - 239

Troops

10x Cultists - 50

10x Cultists - 50

7x Plague Marines - 2x Plasma guns - 198

7x Plague Marines - 2x Plasma guns - 198

Heavy Support

2x Obliterators - MoN - 158

2x Obliterators - MoN - 158

Totals out at 1852

So my strategy here is to form a giant wall of midrange death that my opponent has an extremely hard time dealing with.
I will save deepstriking for when I feel that is needed but my intention is not for a deepstrike centric army.

I am aware that I have no flyers/AA and honestly my plan is to ignore them as my community isn't flyer heavy. I have considered
several different options though:

Swap 1 Terminator squad for another obliterator squad and more cultists/PM
Drop the sorcerer and plague marines for max cultists and heldrake(s).
Drop the plague marines entirely for more/beefier cultists squad and an ADL for mobile cover saves and turtle on objectives.

Looking for C+C and also competitive advice.

I like the Plague Marines myself as they can take a large beating and a great for holding objectives midfield. I would drop one of the terminator squads to add more cultists to the existing squads (more models, not taking a morale check after losing 3 models). I've had great success with them, but try to keep the champion alive for the extra point of leadership (it helps a lot lol) as well as go for the other squad of obliterators or a Predator.
What are you planning to roll on for the sorcerer?

If you are hung up on oblits, cool, but I've found the laspreds a much better value...

3 lascannons for the price of two...and since it is obvious you'll be using them for anti-armor, the laspred may be what you need

Agree with karandras regarding the laspred, but would suggest spamming them to give you an AV13 wall. If you end up facing lots of long low AP weapons then it'll give you a reasonable (uber shooty) wall to block the LOS to those weapons.

I've wanted to try the laspreds but I don't have the models to proxy at the moment.

Are those power axes on the terminators?

What combi weapons are you giving them? Are you deepstriking any.

I think you will struggle to get across the board depending on the mission. But maybe
I'm the only one who fails 5/10 2+ rolls

I hate to say it but this army has no right to win any 1850 games.

It's ability to hold objectives is very poor and it has literally no mobility.

Imagine facing some of the popular armies today, a Tau gunline would make mincemeat of this type of army.

I suggest ditching the sorcerer altogether, drop gift of mutation on the Lord and find a way for him to get into range reliably. Either DS or get a raider or get the D3 Infiltrate character. Something anything.

Terminator's need support to be effective this edition.

If you have heldrakes use them, they are probably the best unit in the game currently.

What other models do you have avail?

If you have rhinos, I'd recommend putting the plague marines in them. 35pts for light arms fire cover is huge in my meta, plus it can be mobile cover

buckero0 wrote:Are those power axes on the terminators?

What combi weapons are you giving them? Are you deepstriking any.

I think you will struggle to get across the board depending on the mission. But maybe
I'm the only one who fails 5/10 2+ rolls

Yes

Mixing plasmas and meltas depending, and yes to deepstrike when needed.

Aijec wrote:I hate to say it but this army has no right to win any 1850 games.

It's ability to hold objectives is very poor and it has literally no mobility.

Imagine facing some of the popular armies today, a Tau gunline would make mincemeat of this type of army.

I suggest ditching the sorcerer altogether, drop gift of mutation on the Lord and find a way for him to get into range reliably. Either DS or get a raider or get the D3 Infiltrate character. Something anything.

Terminator's need support to be effective this edition.

If you have heldrakes use them, they are probably the best unit in the game currently.

What other models do you have avail?

My logic here was use plagues/cultists for objectives but I see your point

I'm not attached to the sorcerer, figured it would be a solid support hq. I have nothing against DS, it just scares me. LR is such a giant point sink it turns me away thinking about it. Huron is a decent idea.

Available I have:
55 CSM models
15 Terminators
3 Generic Terminator/Biker Lords
2 Sorcerers
Abaddon, Typhus, Kharne
60 Cultists
2 Heldrakes
2 Rhinos
Land raider
9 Obliterators
Defiler
Bikers
Daemon Prince

l000babyseals wrote:If you have rhinos, I'd recommend putting the plague marines in them. 35pts for light arms fire cover is huge in my meta, plus it can be mobile cover

Recently my rhinos have been surviving until the end of the game to become mobile walls. While this is good, I feel that an extra plague marine is just better. However I typically bring rhinos