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Hey Dakka,

so last night I play at my FLGS with my previous list, I went up against a rather nasty imperial guard army with crazy amounts of mech and troops stuck behind an aegis line going to ground, it was a scouring mission where my opponent set up (in his words) a kill box in his lines, then waited for my noob self to ache from coming into firing lines, needless to say the evening was painful, but I did win, which considering his force is off to throne of skulls today I felt quite happy about (side note, the FLGS manager tipped me off for the point I needed to win 9-8)

anyway, with the game being such a hard run thing, and the Salamanders needing a fairly large amount of new recruits afterwards, I thought a reassessment before my next match-up might not be a bad idea, therefore I've got 2 possible lists to run with, Version 1 will cost me a fairly large amount of money to produce, so if Version 2 would be good, I might try that instead, let me know which you think is better, and why, or if you have any other suggestions instead

thanks

Binks

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Version 1 - 1500pt with extra 250pts after

HQ - Vulkan He'Stan

Troops - Tac Squad with Melta, Multi-Melta, and MC Combi-Melta

Troops - Tac Squad with Flamer, MC Combi - Flamer and Heavy Bolter (Combat Squaded and Walking)

Troops - Tac Squad with Flamer, MC Combi-Plasma and Missile Launcher (Combat Squaded and Walking)

Elites - Terminator Squad with Assault Cannon (walking)

Elites - Sternguard Squad with 1 x Combi Melta 1 x MC Combi-Melta and 1x Combi Flamer (walking)

Heavy Support - Storm Raven with Twinlinked Multimelta and Twin linked Lascannon (melta tac-squad goes in here)

Heavy Support - Centurion Squad, Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters Sergeant has Omni-Scope MC Missile Launcher and TL Lascannon (walking)

thats 1495 points

upgrade to 1750 would be

HQ - Captain with Artificer armour, Combi-Melta, Power Sword

Fast Attack - Storm Talon

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Version 2 (cheaper to field)

HQ - Captain with Artificer Armour MC Combi-Melta, Power Sword

Troops Tac squad with Multi-melta, melta and Vet with MC Combi-Melta in Drop Pod

Troops Tac Squad with Heavy Bolter, Flamer and Vet with MC Combi-Flamer (Combat Squaded and walking)

Troops Tac Squad with Missile Launcher, Flamer and MC Combi-Plasma (Combat Squaded and walking)

Elites - Sternguard Veterans with 1 x Combi-Flamer, 1 x Combi-Melta and 1x MC Combi-Melta (at 1500 in Storm Raven at 1750 in Land Raider always with Captain)

Elites - Terminator Squad with Assault Cannon (at 1500 walking, at 1750 in Storm Raven)

Heavy - Storm Raven with twin-linked Las and twin-linked multi-melta

Heavy - Centurion Dev Squad with Heavy Bolters and Hurricane Bolters Sergeant has Omni-Scope MC Missile Launcher and TL Lascannon (walking)

upgrade to 1750 would be:

Land Raider - stock

thats 1745 points

as suggested please compare and contrast, suggest additions, or replacements, although my budget isn't huge

thanks again

Personally list 1 is better but I think it needs a little work. Your still weak against gun line because you don't have the speed. You need more transports in your list. I would run Flamer and multi melta in all the tactical squads to take advantage of Vulcan and the chapter tactic. Termis should have a heavy Flamer as well. Deep strike them in. I leave my sages stock and load the combi weapons onto your sternguard. I do 10 combi meltas in a DP and let them blow up 2 tanks from combat squading. 10 combi Flamers do work as well. If your fighting gunlines burn the heretic in your phase. Against CC you can rape units with 10 D3 hits and re rolls to wound.

Ok so with Version 1 if I removed the Captain and Storm Talon, and instead had as my 1750 point addition the Centurions all with Missile Launchers

that would mean I could run this list

HQ - Vulkan He'Stan

Troops 2 x 10 Tac with Multimelta, Flamer, and Drop Pod

Troops 1 x 10 Tac with Missile Launcher and Flamer (backfield objective (combat squaded))

Elites Terminator Squad of 5 with Heavy Flamer joined by Vulkan (maybe in Storm Raven?)

Elites 10 Man Sternguard unit all with combi-meltas in drop pod (combat squaded)

Heavy - Storm Raven with TL/MC Multi Melta and TL Lascannon

addition to 1750 is 3 Centurions with TL Heavy Bolters and Missile Launchers, Sergeant has Omniscope, MC Missile Launcher and TL Lascannon (walking)

Try that list out. Looks pretty good. Put the termis with Vulcan in storm raven.

Ok, thanks,

Just as an aside, the new list will cost me about £140-170 to build, while the second will cost £50, while I'm happy to Christmas up the new list, is the second list worth the cost in preparation for the better list (i.e. Should I find £50 now and £90-£120 later or just hold for Christmas and bday?)

Thanks

B

Ps if there's any other suggestions from others too that'd be great

i Would say the first because with Vulkan you can spam some major cheese. I would also try and work some LOD into the list because everyone love a MC MM that ignores Cover.