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750pt World Eaters

This will be my first venturing towards the Warp. So opinions and any general help would be much appriciated. I was viewing other army lists and found one that whitedragon helped someone with back in 2009. Taking the advice he gave to the other gentleman I began plodding in the starter list with the new codex.

Here is what I started with;

Kharn the Betrayer

7x Berzerkers Squad 1
Melta Bombs
Rhino

7x Berzerkers Squad 2
Powerfist
Rhino

Totaling 546pts

I would like to round this up to 750 pts. Kharne will be riding with Squad 1. I would like thoughts and opinions of the options I have come up with to add to the above list to fill as close to 750pts as possible. This list will be expanding to 1000pts and more then likely 1500pts sometime in the future.

Option 1;

Demon Prince
Wings
Demon of Khorne /746pts Total

Option 2;

6x Chaos Bikers
Mark of Khorne
Powerfist
2x Meltagun(replacing bikes bolters)

5x chainaxe berzerker squad 1
OR
1x Power Weapon Champion Squad 1 /748pts Total

Option 3;

Heldrake with Baleflamer
1x Berzerker added to a squad
AND
5x Chainaxes /750pts Total

Option 4;

Defiler with Havoc Launcher /746pts Total

Option 5;

Predator with Lascannon sponsons
4x Berzerkers adding 2 to squad 1 and 2 to squad 2
AND
4x chainaxes /749pts Total

Option 6;

Predator with Lascannon sponsons
2x berzerkers
AND
15x Chainaxes(all models would have axes) /744pts Total


Please I know its alot of info but I want to donate to the Blood God just
would like advice on how to best start doing it at this point level.

Ok, let's try and help you out. I play world eaters (Love the forge world bits!) so will try and help. My list is up if you want to have a look.

First things first - Rhinos. Absolutely useless in a Khorne list. 6th Ed rules mean you can't get out and charge. So if you start in a transport you are most likely waiting until around turn 3 for combat - which is too late. Also they are flimsy and pathetic. They will be popped after turn one and will force your precious zerkers to walk.

Secondly - all your other options don't really synergise well.

Here's what I would do at 750 points (and this is rough maths in my head)

Kharn

9x zerkers power fist on champ, axes on the rest
25x cultists
Land raider with dirge caster and combi bolter.

That's about 740 points I think? It gives you a back field objective holder, and an epic delivery system for kharn and his goons!

Khaine is right. Unless you take 4 or 5 rhinos full of zerkers, they wont see CC. Unfortunately this is just another instance of the CSM Codex letting us traitors down by not giving our little buddies a way into CC. Land raiders usually have to be taken.

If you dont want to take land raiders, the next best thing is making a vindicator wall of 2 or 3 vindicators and sticking the rhinos behind them. This adds significantly more firepower to the list but the vindicators are far less durable on the sides and back and a bit less in the front.

You must take heed: redundancy is key with CSM. If you want Daemon Princes, take 2 or 3 by using an allied detachment. If you want Heldrakes, take 2.

Mastering the codex boils down to what units to take upgrades on and which ones to take naked, and which units to take 2 or 3 of and which can just be taken as single units.

With Rhinos you need lots or none. Chainaxes are worthless they only make a difference against Guard, Tau and Eldar who you smash in combat anyway. Why pay points to help you win in a situation you win anyway?

Personally I like Kharne in a Cultist mob. He does easily enough damage by himself so doesn't need back up from zerkers just ablative wounds to get him there hence Cultists. But in a LR with zerkers is cool too as the cultist blob has real issues with mobility.

Your Bezerkers need a power weapon on the Champ. Power sword is actually not horrid on him due to furious charge, melta bombs help you out against Walkers.

If you want Rhino rush you want at least 3 hulls on the board at this point level. So starting from your base I would either add a 3rd Bezerker in Rhino squad or what would be even better is add 2 Vindicators. They do 2 things. 1st a huge amount of damage particularly to terminators who you'll struggle against (except Kharne) and 2nd they provide a massive distraction from those Rhinos and a distraction that is tough to deal with.

An issue you have is that Berserkers are over costed. In a straight fight and given the Charge Plague Marines beat up on them (both have same number of attacks both wound on 4s he gets rerolls and FnP). The one thing they are supposed to be awesome at. Also compare them to Death Company for only 1 point more they get an extra attack each AND FnP. Sad times to be a Worldeater

Thanks guys for the comments. I think I will try what Khaine's Wrath mentions and get a Land Raider. Not a fan of the cultists but either way win or lose there will be blood for the blood god spilled...

Well, you could replace the cultists with a small unit of CSM, but they probably won't last as long, and that means you probably won't hold that objective.

Don't get me wrong, I hate cultists! I'm completely anti-cultist. abut I think at this points level, they offer you a pretty tough objective holder. I don't take any myself, but I play at 2K points with 2 Raiders!

Here is my modest opinion:

Kharn is a sweet HQ choice, his uber deny the which has saved my bacon once or twice. He brings devastating close combat prowess and can survive an entire game.
all this provided he makes it into CC.

As much as I disdain having weak cultists intermingle with my warriors of Khorne, at a low points cost they can make a nice squishy shield for a strong IC. However you could also just take a squad of CSMs and trade boltguns for Close Combat weapons (model them with a fantasy axe for that khornate feel!).

I take my Kharn with Berzerkers inside of a Land Raider. Drop them near a held objective and have them fight whatever is sitting on it while you worry about other objectives.

Which squad would you attach Kharn with? You could save on meltabombs as Gorechild tears armour like tissue paper. Redundancy is the key word with chaos as another poster mentioned. Never put all your faith in one unit. Some dedicated long range firepower could go a long way in forcing your opponent to play the close combat game with you.

final point... I have never had much use for Chain Axes... Except necron warriors. Which you probably do not want your expensive berzerkers fighting anyway. So I would suggest saving the three points per axe and spending them on more bodies.

Cheers!

NapalmPlague

 Khaine's Wrath wrote:
Ok, let's try and help you out. I play world eaters (Love the forge world bits!) so will try and help. My list is up if you want to have a look.

First things first - Rhinos. Absolutely useless in a Khorne list. 6th Ed rules mean you can't get out and charge. So if you start in a transport you are most likely waiting until around turn 3 for combat - which is too late. Also they are flimsy and pathetic. They will be popped after turn one and will force your precious zerkers to walk.

Secondly - all your other options don't really synergise well.

Here's what I would do at 750 points (and this is rough maths in my head)

Kharn

9x zerkers power fist on champ, axes on the rest
25x cultists
Land raider with dirge caster and combi bolter.

That's about 740 points I think? It gives you a back field objective holder, and an epic delivery system for kharn and his goons!

With this list that I find interesting for this points level and taking into consideration the other advice as well...
I was thinking of droping the axes as I am not as attached to them as I believe a Marine of Khorne should spill blood to earn one first...
That being said that will give me 34pts left over.
With this I was thinking that I could drop 1xCultist as well and then add 2xBerzerkers to ride in my Land Raider.
For a total of 750pts

Thoughts?

Depends with the gaining of the zerker, who are you running kharn with? If you want to run him with the zerkers you have to keep the squad at 9 models

Just thought of this as well but maybe instead of the cultists to hold a backfield objective would there be something else that would fit for a gameplan of just killing everything that the person could bring to the table at this points level. Its not really a list for competative games. So if I could at least go for a draw while collecting as many skulls and blood as possible would still make me happy as well as the always greedy Bood God. He shall grant me demonhood yet!



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 chillis wrote:
Depends with the gaining of the zerker, who are you running kharn with? If you want to run him with the zerkers you have to keep the squad at 9 models

Yup. Just smacked my forehead. I had Raider Crusader capacity in my head. Sigh

Cultists are the best option if you are stick with kharn, 9 zerks, and LR. If you don't want to take cultists you'll have to ditch the LR

Khaine's advice is spot on, you are playing at a very awkward point level for a khorne CSM army. Your troops are expensive and lack a proper delivery method (unless you invest in a landraider as mentioned).

Definitely drop the axes for something more useful.... anything.

Keep in mind a landraider's capacity is 10, so you can only fit kharn and 9 berzerkers.

You could always use the extra points to drop the cultist squad to 20 strong and use the left over points to add a second 10 man cultist squad to hold an additional objective/be an annoyance.

25x cultists is about 7x vanilla CSM