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SO I there is a small 2k tourney coming up around my FLGS in about a month and I was going to play my BA as a "count as" successor chapter to either ultramarines, Raven guard, or Iron hands. (I have all these models (sorta) + some more)

Calgar
5 man honor guard w/ chapter banner
Tigurius- (on quad gun)
10 man tac squad w. plasma gun, HB, combi flamer
10 man tac squad w. plasma gun, HB, combi flamer
10 man tac squad w. plasma gun, ML,
5 man tac squad w/ ML
6 man Legion of the damned meltagun, MM, combi melta power weapon
Dev squad w/ 4 las cannons
Dev squad w/ 4 las cannons
Dev squad w/ 4 ML w/ flakk
ADL w/ quad gun-

2k Raven guard
Shrike
Chapter master w/ Shield eternal, burning blade, digital weapons, jump pack, artificer armor-
Scout squad w/ camo cloaks and snipers w/ land speeder storm w/ MM-
Scout squad w/ camo cloaks and snipers w/ land speeder storm w/ MM
Scout squad w/ camo cloaks and snipers w/ land speeder storm w/ AC
Scout squad w/ camo cloaks and snipers
Scout squad w/ camo cloaks and bolters
10 man assault squad w/ 2 flamers vet sgt w/power weapon, melta bombs
10 man assault squad w/ 2 flamers vet sgt w/power weapon, melta bombs
10 man assault squad w/ 2 flamers vet sgt w/power weapon, melta bombs
10 man vanguard vets w/ jump packs, 3 storm shields, 3 power weapons 1 power fist
TFC-

Iron hands 2k
Chapter master w/ SE, BB artificer armor, digital weapons, auspex
5 man honor guard w/ chapter banner
10 man tac squad w/ plasma gun, LC, combi flamer
10 man tac squad w/ plasma gun, LC, combi plasma
10 man tac squad w/ Melta, MM, combi melta
2 Razor backs
Iron clad dread w/ heavy flamer w/ 2 hunter killer missiles pod
ADL w/ quadguun
Venerable dread w/ TL auto cannon/ TL auto cannon
Land raider crusader w/
Land raider

I would go with Iron Hands, providing you have something better than Honor Guard or Tacticals to put in the land raiders. Can you dig up 10 TH/SS Terminators? I would also try to squeeze in the ADL w/ Quad-Gun. You have no anti-air as is.

I prefer the HG due to them having 2 more attacks each. and they can sweep. (though the lack of a 3++ can be potentially devastating) I will consider that if I run them. I can drop a dread for an ADL+quad with 45 points left over.. thoughts on what to spend those points on?

A Missile Launcher for the third Tactical Squad and a Combi-Weapon for each Tactical Squad is what I would do. I think the list needs more Melta but is otherwise pretty good.

I would also consider putting the Chapter Master on a Bike with a Thunder Hammer, the Shield Eternal, and Artificer Armor. Nasty combo.

 Gorgosaurusrex wrote:
A Missile Launcher for the third Tactical Squad and a Combi-Weapon for each Tactical Squad is what I would do. I think the list needs more Melta but is otherwise pretty good.

I would also consider putting the Chapter Master on a Bike with a Thunder Hammer, the Shield Eternal, and Artificer Armor. Nasty combo.

I could do that, but then there is nothing to take wounds for him. :/


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updated the IH list

 raiden wrote:
I could do that, but then there is nothing to take wounds for him. :/

Honestly he doesn't need bullet catchers. He is easy enough to hide behind vehicles or terrain and is very tough. Plus there's a 33% chance that he regains a wound every turn!

Mathematically speaking, it takes 22 Lascannons or Plasma shots (at BS4; 30 shots at BS3) to down this guy in a single turn. He can easily be in CC by turn 2.

that is true. though, why do you believe the IH list is better than the others?

The first list has Heavy Bolters on the Tactical Squads and a unit of Legion of the Damned... in tournament play these points could be spent more efficiently elsewhere. This list also has a squad of Honor Guard on foot, which can be easily destroyed before seeing combat.

The second list would be better as a Blood Angels list. Assault Marines are very lackluster without Furious Charge and Feel No Pain. I also am not sure why you would give Sniper Rifles to Scouts with a Land Speeder Storm.

The Iron Hands list would actually scare me were I assigned to play it in a tournament. Few armies expect a single Land Raider in 6th edition... much less two of them! Players are loading up on Plasmaguns and shunning Meltaguns. 6th edition is the time of the Land Raider, thanks to this and Iron Hands tactics. This list could still use some work but it is easily the best of the three, imo.

I like the fact that jumppack inf can get HoW as RG even if they move 12. making HoW easier to nab. the honor guard with calgar wouldn't be easy to shoot down. as they would be hidden from at least half the army. Only moving up if its a tau gunline or some sort thereof. because when the LSS comes in, I was just going to drop the scouts out of some (leave the bolter ones in one) and let them camp back objectives popping shots at things.

that being said. what would you recommend on the IH list.


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OR I could just use my BA list

Mephiston
Honor guard w/ chapter banner, champion, 3 power weapons, 2 combi plasmas
10 man assault marines w/ 2 meltas, Power weapon Sgt, melta bombs
Drop pod
10 man assault marines w/ 2 meltas, Power weapon Sgt
Drop pod
10 man assault marines w/ 2 flamers, power weapon sgt
Drop pod
10 man assault marines w/ 2 flamers, power weapon sgt
Drop pod
3 Sang priests w/ jump packs power fists
Storm Raven TL AC/ MM

Here's my 2K Iron Hands list, maybe you'll see something you like:

HQ
Chapter Master 250
-Thunder Hammer, the Shield Eternal, Artificer Armor, Bike

Elites
5 Assault Terminators 225
-Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield

5 Assault Terminators 225
-Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield

Troops
10 Tactical Marines 210
-Plasmagun, Combi-Plasma, Multi-Melta, Rhino

10 Tactical Marines 210
-Plasmagun, Combi-Plasma, Multi-Melta, Rhino

5 Tactical Marines 90
-Lascannon

Heavy Support

Land Raider Crusader 260
-Multi-Melta

Land Raider Crusader 260
-Multi-Melta

5 Devastators 170
-Missile Launchers w/ Flakk Missiles

Fortification
Aegis Defense Line 100
-Quad Gun

2,000

I take the Land Raiders as Heavy Support choices so they can score in Big Guns Never Tire. The only thing that I have found to be a little weak is the Flakk Missiles. More anti-air is never a bad thing, I suppose.

As for that BA list... Why are they in Drop Pods? I would rather see 40 Assault Marines with Jump Packs on the ground. Otherwise that looks to be a pretty solid list. I would trade all the Flamers for Meltas, removing the Combi-Plasmas from the honor Guard to pay for it.

Drop pods are nice because I am gaunteed to be in there faces T2. As well as hopefully denying shooty. Drop pods can hold units with jumpacks correct?


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IH-I want one tac to be protected in a LR for late game obj. Grabbing (for the no BGNT games), the other is the "get off my lawn" CC holder. Lol

Drop Pods cannot transport units with jump Packs. Assault Squads can only purchase a Drop Pod if they lose their Jump Packs anyway. You could just have them deep strike.

Hmm. No HoW but that is a thought .. I could afford another priest and a squad now

For BA you could do something like:

Mephiston

2x Sanguinary Priest
-Jump Packs

5x10 Assault Marines
-Sergeant has Power Axe and Meltabombs, 2 Meltaguns

5 Scouts (they sit behind the ADL)
-Camo Cloaks, Missile Launcher, 4 Sniper Rifles

Storm Raven (for transporting Mephiston)
-TL AC/MM

ADL w/ Quad Gun

This is exactly 2k if I remembered my points correctly.

You have tons of tough bodies, a little anti-air, plenty of Melta, and a list that people won't expect. 2 Priests should be enough if you clump your squads together.

 Gorgosaurusrex wrote:
For BA you could do something like:

Mephiston

2x Sanguinary Priest
-Jump Packs

5x10 Assault Marines
-Sergeant has Power Axe and Meltabombs, 2 Meltaguns

5 Scouts (they sit behind the ADL)
-Camo Cloaks, Missile Launcher, 4 Sniper Rifles

Storm Raven (for transporting Mephiston)
-TL AC/MM

ADL w/ Quad Gun

This is exactly 2k if I remembered my points correctly.

You have tons of tough bodies, a little anti-air, plenty of Melta, and a list that people won't expect. 2 Priests should be enough if you clump your squads together.

I am going to be honest. mephy really doesn't need the Storm raven transport. he should be in CC T2. not T3. I use power mauls on my Sgts. as the majority of the time they either just die. or fight armor 4+ around here. Also, I have never. NEVER had a power fist on a sang priest not make back its points and MORE. Why, the other day I took out 4 meganobz thanks to one. It is also a reason I try to run ~3 priests. WS5 2 attacks is just so nice :3. (its easy to keep them alive as they are IC and passing wounds off on a 2+) prob drop the scouts and ADL for this. (tbh scouts disappoint me. sides I can usually put my objectives in/near my opponents zone since my army is there anyway.) I would actually use the Storm raven to carry one of my ASM. If at all tbh. ( and no, 50 MEQ + FnP marines is not "TONS" of tough bodies at 2k, its an average number of semi tough bodies.)

Hrm..IH.. and have you also considered BT?