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I was wondering how far using only the plastic kits for each faction would get you. Does it allow you to make a competitive list or are the available plastics only really for fleshing out core units?

You could make maybe one good build for protectorate and one decent list for circle, but an all-plastic collection would be crippling and shallow.

The good news is that the metal models are really nice. The engineering used to cut the pieces for the mold leaves the parts with a good fit. The only exceptions tend to be older models from before 2007/2008.

I've worked with the metals before and suffered the infamous Khador gap, so.not too fussed. Just wanted to know if it was possible. Cheers.

I was thinking Pure Jack lists but you need a metal caster to make the best use of them.

Cygnar wouldn't work . there is no plastic squire , solos or gunmage attachments and the stormwall has metal parts too , at least I think it does.

PP builds models based on what they think is the most appropriate material for the project at hand. It seems of late the things that go plastic are core models, models that they need high volume of or things based on a "chassis" of some sort so they can reiterate.

This being said, some things look like they're just not worth putting in plastic for them, such as small units (Kayazy Eliminators, Convegence Servitors and Shifting Stones). Character units, solos and most warcasters are likley to remain metal. They also toss in resin bits if that is the more apprirpiate material for a part, so they have a few hybrid kits about.

Right now the Faction that probably can pull off the most plastic with metal warlock stuff is Circle Orboros. As of February the Gorax, the most staple light warbeast, will be available in plastic. This plus plastic versions of all non-Construct heavies and Skinwalkers will allow you to run pretty effecitve metal-minimal lists. This said, many staples of Circle, such as all the solos save the hybrid resin-metal Gallows Groves, units like Shifting Stones and Bloodtrackers, plus things like the upgrade kit for Ghetorix and the Warpborn Alpha are going to be metal and likely only metal for the foreseeable future.

And stuff.

If you used a battlebox caster and the plastic jack kits that would get you started.

Just about every faction has at least one unit in plastic now as well.

But as mentioned the solos and characters are going to be in metal.

I thought somewhere on this forum there was a list of which models were available in plastic. And more and more units in particular are being released in plastic.

Anyways, short answer is that you could probably make a decent army in almost all plastic, supplemented by a few individual metal models. But if you were to limit yourself to 100% plastic you would have trouble making armies that are very competitive.

 sing your life wrote:
I was thinking Pure Jack lists but you need a metal caster to make the best use of them.

Syntherion says "Hi!"

This is the list from memory:

Cygnar
- Battlebox starter (Stryker1, Charger, Lancer, Ironclad)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (Makes a Cyclone, Defender or Ironclad)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (Makes an Avenger Centurian or Hammersmith)
- Charger light warjack
- Firefly light warjack
- Lancer light warjack
- Sentinal light warjack
- Stormwall colossal (resin and metal hybrid)
- Stormblade Infantry (comes with three Storm Gunners WAs)
- Stormguard
- Trencher Infantry (upcoming, comes with three Grenadier WAs)
- Tempest Blazers (metal and plastic hybrid)
- Stormstrider battle engine (resin and metal hybrid)
- Gallant, Triumph and Silverline Stormguard are metal additions to plastic kits.

Protectorate of Menoth
- Battlebox (Kreoss1, Crusader, Repenter, Revenger)
- Two-Player Starter (Kreoss1, Crusader, Vanquisher, Repenter and Exemplar Cinnerators)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (makes a Crusader, Templar or Vanquisher)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (makes a Castigator, Reckoner or Sanctifier)
- Redeemer light warjack
- Repenter light warjack
- Revenger light warjack
- Vigilant light warjack
- Judicator colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Knights Exemplar
- Knights Exemplar Errants
- Exemplar Bastions
- Exemplar Cinnerators
- Exemplar Vengers (rebox I believe is mostly metal with a few resin bits)
- Temple Flameguard
- Vassal of Judgement (resin and metal hybrid)
- Blood of Martyrs and Scourage of Heresy are metal bit upgrades to plastic warjack kits.

Khador
- Battlebox (Sorscha1, Destroyer, Juggernaught)
- Two-Player Starter (Sorscha1, Destroyer, Juggernaught, Man o'War Shock Troopers)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 1 (makes a Destroyer, Decimator, Marauder or Juggernaught)
- Heavy Warjack Kit 2 (Makes a Demoliser, Devastator or Spriggan)
- Behemoth (metal and resin hybrid)
- Conquest (metal and resin hybrid)
- Man o'War Bombardiers
- Man o'War Demo. Corps
- Man o'War Shocktroopers
- Winterguard Infantry (comes with three Rocketeer WAs)
- Winterguard Riflemen
- Greylord Outriders (metal and plastic hybrid)
- Man o'War Drakhun (metal and plastic hybrid)
- Gun Carriage (metal and resin hybrid)
- Black Ivan and Torch are metal bit upgrades to plastic warjack kits.

Cryx
- Battlebox (Denegrah1, Deathripper x2, Defiler, Slayer)
- Helljack Kit 1 (makes a Corruptor, Reaper or Slayer)
- Helljack Kit 2 (Makes a Desecrator, Harrower or Leviathan)
- Deathripper bonejack (two models)
- Defiler bonejack (two models)
- Nightwretch bonejack (two models)
- Ripjaw bonejack (two models)
- Kraken colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Bane Thralls (most recent version were metal-resin hybrid, new version coming soon is plastic)
- Bane Riders (upcoming)
- Wraith Engine (metal and resin hybrid)
- Erebus and Malice are metal bit upgrades to plastic warjack kits.

Retribution of Scyrah
- Battlebox (Kaelyssa1, Chimera, Griffon, Manticore)
- Shyeel Myrmidon Kit (makes a Hydra, Manticore or Phoenix)
- Vyre Myrmidon Kit (Makes a Banshee, Daemon or Sphinx)
- Chimera light myrmidon
- Gorgon light myrmidon
- Griffon light myrmidon
- Hyperion colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Houseguard Halberdiers
- Houseguard Riflemen
- Arkantrik Force Generator battle engine (metal and resin hybrid)
- Discordia and Hypnos are metal bit upgrades to plastic warjack kits.

Convergence of Cyriss
- Battlebox (Syntherian, Galvenizer, Mitigator, Cipher)
- Heavy Vector Kit 1 (makes a Cipher, Inverter or Monitor)
- Heavy Vector Kit 2 (makes an Assimulator, Conservator or Moderator)
- Diffuser light vector
- Galvenizer light vector
- Mitigator light vector
- Prime Axiom colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Corollary light vector (release TBA, not confirmed as plastic)
- Obstructors
- Reductors
- Eradicators
- Perforators
- Recipricators
- Transfiite Emergence Projector battle engine (release TBA, not confirmed as plastic, but rumor has it that it might be made of the same plastic that GW uses for large kits).

Mercenaries
- Heavy Warjack Kit (makes a Mule, Nomad or Rover)
- Galleon colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Rocinante is a metal bit upgrade kit.

Trollbloods
- Battlebox (Madrak1, Axer, Impaler x2)
- Dire Troll Kit (makes a Dire Troll Blitzer, Dire Troll Bomber or Dire Troll Mauler)
- Troll Axer light warbeast
- Troll Bouncer light warbeast
- Troll Impaler light warbeast
- Night Troll light warbeast
- Pyre Troll light warbeast
- Storm Troll light warbeast
- Swamp Troll light warbeast
- Mountain King gargantuan (metal and resin hybrid)
- Trollkin Champions
- Trollkin Warders
- Trollkin Fennblades
- Battle Wagon battle engine (metal and resin hybrid)
- Rok is a metal upgrade kit.

Circle Orboros
- Battlebox (Kaya1, Argus x2, Feral Warpwolf)
- Two Player Starter Set (Kaya1, Argus, Winter Argus, Feral Warpwolf, Warpborn Skinwalkers)
- Warpwolf Kit (makes a Feral Warpwolf, Pureblood Warpwolf or Warpwolf Stalker)
- Satyr Kit (upcoming, makes a Gnarlhorn Satyr, Riphorn Satyr or Shadowhorn Satyr)
- Gorax light warbeast (upcoming, recast of an originally metal sculpt)
- Argus light warbeast
- Winter Argus light warbeast
- Razorwing Griffon light warbeast
- Scarsfell Griffon light warbeast
- Tharn Blood Pack
- Tharn Ravagers
- Warpborn Skinwalkers
- Gallows Grove (metal and resin hybrid, two models)
- Celestial Fulcrum (metal and resin hybrid)
- Ghetorix is a metal bit upgrade to the Warpwolf kit.

Skorne
- Battlebox (Morghoul1, Cyclops Savage x2, Titan Gladiator)
- Titan Kit (makes a Titan Cannoneer, Titan Gladiator or Titan Sentry)
- Bronzeback Titan (metal and resin hybrid)
- Cyclops Brute light warbeast
- Cyclops Raider light warbeast
- Cyclops Savage light warbeast
- Mammoth colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Cataphract Acuarii
- Cataphract Cetrati
- Cataphract Incindiarii
- Siege Anamantarax (sp?, metal and resin hybrid)
- Tiberon is a metal bit upgrade kit, but actually works just fine on the metal Sentry kit I hear.

Legion of Everblight
- Battlebox (Lylyth1, Shredder x4, Carnivean)
- Two-Player Starter Box (Lylyth1, Shredder x4, Carnivean, Blighted Ogrun Warpsears)
- Heavy Dragonspawn Kit (makes a Carnivean, Ravagore or Scythean)
- Arcangel colossal (metal and resin hybrid)
- Blighted Ogrun Warspears
- Throne of Everblight (metal and resin hybrid kit)
- Proteus is a metal bit upgrade kit for the heavies, but can be made with a metal Ravagore I hear.

Minions
- War Hog (upcoming...for some reaosn I guess).

That's it I think. I'll edit this if folks correct things at all.

And stuff.

Most of the warcasters are metal, so if you never plan to use metal models you'll be forced to use a few simple lists exclusively. Which would be a shame because simply swapping your current warcaster out for another warcaster totally changes how your list will play. Luckily the vast majority of the warcasters go together well. A few of them (more complex, more thin pieces) are a little iffy)

With a few exceptions the PP metal miniatures are easy to assemble and hold together well.

There are a few warjacks and other larger metal models that are notorious for being difficult to put together however.

It's actually some of the smaller metal ones that seem to cause the most rage. See: Nyss Hunters, Clockwork Angels and Steelhead Halberdiers.

And stuff.

While I think pure plastic would be crippling, it's certainly easy to go mostly plastic with just a few metals, namely casters and few solos. You can even keep it to quite simple metals (one/two piece models) and do pretty well, at least in many armies.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I was thinking Pure Jack lists but you need a metal caster to make the best use of them.

Syntherion says "Hi!"

Good for you, because the Syntherion model looks like it would break from a mean look [kind of averting the point of using plastic]

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I was thinking Pure Jack lists but you need a metal caster to make the best use of them.

Syntherion says "Hi!"

Good for you, because the Syntherion model looks like it would break from a mean look [kind of averting the point of using plastic]

What does that have to do with anything?

You stated you'd need a (heaven forbid! Still don't get this irrational hate for metal from some people) metal Caster to run a pure jack list (and presumably be good at it). Syntherion disproves that theory. You can do a more or less 100% plastic CoC list, that will do well. Even go theme with Syntherion too. Besides, yes Syntherion looks easy to break, which admittedly both of mine did. But I simply pinned the model to his base. Something, which you have stated yourself in the past is leagues easier with plastic.

So, can we stop with the smark bait now?

There are some good plastic casters. pDenny is excellent. pSorcha is no wilting flower, either.

I'm not a huge pStryker fan, but some people like him. I never played pKaya, but the general consensus seems to be she is meh.

Those are the ones I am most familiar with.

Just to reiterate I was asking about all plastic due to simple curiosity. I enjoy working with metal, sometimes more so than plastic. I've had a variety of experiences with PP metal models as I'm sure many have. Again, simply curious.

Thanks for the big list of plastics. Be interesting to see when if or when more units head that way.

Zond wrote:
Thanks for the big list of plastics. Be interesting to see when if or when more units head that way.

They are continually adding new and redoing old units in plastic. I believe that is something they are slowly working towards as it tends to be cheaper long term.

Solos and warcasters will probably stay metal.

The new bigger kits, particularly the huge base ones, tend to be a mix of a resiny/plastic and metal.

Not sure exactly how warjacks will be. But many of them seem to be becoming plastic kits and the character ones are extra metal bits that you use with the plastic kit.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Still don't get this irrational hate for metal from some people

The paint chips and wears much more easily on metal. That's my primary distaste for it.

Well, that, and in some other game systems (hello, 40k and WHFB), plastic kits are almost certainly infinitely more poseable than their metal alternatives.

 Grimtuff wrote:
(heaven forbid! Still don't get this irrational hate for metal from some people)

And why is the hate for finecrap.... er, I mean metal irrational?

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
(heaven forbid! Still don't get this irrational hate for metal from some people)

And why is the hate for finecrap.... er, I mean metal irrational?

From where do you get Finecrap?

I for one like metal minis. I like the weight and the crisp detail.

 fishy bob wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
(heaven forbid! Still don't get this irrational hate for metal from some people)

And why is the hate for finecrap.... er, I mean metal irrational?

From where do you get Finecrap?

I call metal "finecrap" because the cast is fine but the material is, well, crap.

And the weight of metal is overrated as sin [IMO]

Overrated how?

Either way, fair enough, that's your opinion. A lot of people prefer the weightier metal models over the paperweight plastic. It has a more solid and valuable feel to me, so I prefer it.

 fishy bob wrote:
Overrated how?

Either way, fair enough, that's your opinion. A lot of people prefer the weightier metal models over the paperweight plastic. It has a more solid and valuable feel to me, so I prefer it.

I like the weight of metal, but I don't think it makes up for metal's problem like some do.

 sing your life wrote:
I like the weight of metal, but I don't think it makes up for metal's problem like some do.

Yeah, my thoughts as well. I don't mind that the metal's heavy (though I don't really *prize* the weight, either), but plastic is easier to clean up, holds primer more easily, resists paint wear and chipping better, converts more readily, doesn't come bent or warped all out of shape (and won't become that way if a storage mishap or drop occurs), almost never requires pinning, easily magnetizes, and if I can use plastic cement I vastly prefer it to superglue.

That said, smaller/newer modelling companies find it much easier to attain high casting quality on their metals much sooner than they do for their plastics, so there's that. But when you get to something like GW's level of experience, I no longer see any superior benefits to metals and would take plastic for everything if I can.

PP seems to be closing the quality gap, from what I can gather in my short time paying attention to them. I'd just as soon see them hurry up (and start replacing more metal kits) if they can, heh.

It should be noted that PP isn't really on a goal of putting everything into one material. At a panel this last Warmachine Weekend, Will Schick (one of their production staff) said that if the most optimal way they see to produce a model is a hybrid of resin, metal and plastic, they'll do it. You see this now with their metal-plastic and metal-resin kits, metal characters and even metal battle engines (Lylyth3 is entirely metal). It's a matter of what they think works with the nature of the sculpt and the long term pain of production of the model once the project is done. If things change, they also change the model.

As a fun fact in this, apparently the plastic version of models "shrink" in comparison to their metalic or resin counterparts. So the upcoming plastic Gorax and Bane Thralls, while using the same sculpts as the metal versions, are going to be a tad smaller or something.

And stuff.

I think the metal models are more easily cleaned up and converted, but PP's plastic holds paint better and won't weigh an army bag down nearly as much. GW's plastic is better on all of the above points in my opinion and I wish PP used that for Everything.