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Going trough my BA army I realised that there's some stuff I haven't used in ages and just thinking about the money they costed is awful.... D:
So I decided that from now on I'll be a bit smarter. Instead of buying boxes like "ooh, these seem nice", I'll now try to make my basic 1500p list, (which I'll modify when needed)
and buy what I need for that. Simple. And of course I want this list to actually work because I'll be playing this for a while
And as I have bought scarcely half of these, I'm open to any suggestions (as long as no-one tells me to buy a new 'dex).

Reclusiarch - 160p
- TDA

(5) Assault Terminators - 220p
- 4x TH/SS, LC's

(2) Sanguinary Priests - 180p
- Jump Packs, Power weapons

(10) Assault Squad - 225p
- 2x Meltagun, Power weapon

(10) Assault Squad - 225p
- 2x Meltagun, Power Weapon

Baal Predator - 145p
- Full Dakka

Baal Predator - 145p
- Full Dakka

Stormraven - 200p


Exactly 1,500 points. I was thinking about putting the Termies to the Raven, but then they would get to assault at T3 earliest. The same would be with DSing (and that is, hoping they come at T2 on the field).
So is there sense in taking them at all? My second idea was that I'd combat squad the Assault Squads, dropping four meltas in the enemy rear to blow up a tank and distracting while the more CC/infantrywreck orientated half will come with only CCW's and two PW's in every squad.
I don't think the Preds need much explaining...

C&C appreciated, bring it on Dakka!

Get rid of reclusiarch and get a libby. Level 1 BA libby is the best HQ in the book. Unfortunately.

Id drop the termis and reclusiarch and instead take:
A libby with jp and shield and bloodrage powers to buff the assault squads.
5 scouts with snipers for back field scoring
And
A sternguard squad with 4 combi-meltas and pod
OR
A furioso with magna grapple, frag cannon and meltagun in pod.

Well there seems to be an unified opinion about HQ so I guess that's what I'll go with.
And damn, how did I forget Fragioso

For Librarian powers I tought about Shield and Fear of Darkness, how about them?

Modifications to the original list:
removed Reclusiarch, got a Librarian with JP +35pts
removed Terminators, got a Fragioso (Frag Cannon, HF, Pod) + 50pts
added a Scout squad, all with Snipers and Camo Cloaks - 90pts


So now I have 1505 points, I guess I'll leave a single PW out and give two MB's to Sgt's.

In summary:
I now have 25 scoring models and at least half of them have FnP and 5+ cover.
I have two fast anti-infantry vehicles and a gunship to hunt vehicles.
I have a First Blood machine coming down first turn.

Fear is a good idea too!
I prefer the magna grapple and melta over the heavy flamer as it is more versitile. Its been more useful to me in games, but thats just a personal preference.
Camo cloaks is a good addition too if they are playing backfield scoring, good call.


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I really like your list now!

I like it too.
Because now I don't have to buy Termies and that expensive Reclusiarch model

Alright, seriously it's starting to look like an army I could play with.

Sorry for using this old thread but since we're on the same subject I tought that making another one would be dumb.

So however, I made a second version of this list. A bit more Elite-orientated.

Librarian - 100p
- codex powers

Furioso Dreadnought - 170p
- Frag Cannon, Heavy flamer, Pod

Brother Corbulo - 105p

(5) Assault Squad - 130p
- Meltagun, Razorback

(5) Assault Squad - 130p
- Meltagun, Razorback

(5) Scout Squad - 90p
- Snipers and Camo cloaks

Baal Predator - 145p
- Full Dakka

Baal Predator - 145p
- Full Dakka

Stormraven - 200p

So I wanted to try a diffrent approach on the troops as I just got my jump packless Assault Squad fully painted
Like this my army looks more like a gunline so I'm still concidering the Assault Termies as I've seen them used in BA army with great success. 1215 points at the moment, adding Termies would bring it to 1440p, after which I could uprgade the guns on Razorbacks. Which troops choice works better?

what weapon did you mount on razorback? flamer, bolter, or heavy +35 pts weapon? (las/plas, lascannon, ecc.)

i'm not an expert and i also asked a lot of advices 'cause i have habit of losing the match; however i like using bike; a full 8 bike + attack bike + librarian on bike + sanguinary priest are fast, tough and versatile. however, they attract a lot of fire (that's could be useful so you can move around your razorback without getting popped out)
oh and they cost a lot, but i play almost at 1750 points

i did this list some days ago (never played so i dunno if it's worth or not) but it's on your same lenght:
- Librarian on bike
- sanguinary priest on bike w/PW
- bike squad + attack bike; 2x melta, multi melta, combi-melta on sergeant.
total cost is 135+100+295=530

- 5-men assault squad w/flamer and handflamer on sergeant
plus a razorback with las/pla
- sanguinary priest with PW
total 170+65=235

- 5-men assault squad w/flamer and handflamer on sergeant
plus a razorback with las/pla
- sanguinary priest with PW
total 170+65=235

- 5 scout squad w sniper and camo [90]
- tactical squad w flamer and missile [170]
- 2x baal w flamestorm and heavy bolter
- 1x stormraven

it's 1750 point

i did also a variation without bike and with 2x fragioso dreadnaught on pod and another 5-men assault on pod (just to be sure dreaddy come on t1)
and everything on a veichle

I usually put the HB if I want cheap scoring unit, or Plasma Gun in the ASM and TL-Plas/Las cannon on the top if I'm after more agressive role for them.

However, as it's only AV11 I try not to put too many points in it.

P.S. I love BA bikes

Las/Plas people! Razorbacks suck without either Las/Plas or Lascannon! If they are in tanks, they don't need priests! Flamers on the Baal preds, correct? I don't get what corbulo is doing.

Razorbacks get blows away quickly so I prefer to keep them cheap. And when they go ka-blammo or offensive, those few Marines better stay alive, right?

The other plan was that if I take the Assault Termies he'll help them to love while giving them the S9 charge and FnP besides that sweet 2+/3++

Alright, so by getting rid of ten points I could add the Termies and LasPlas-Gun on both Razorbacks.
I guess I'll remove a single meltagun.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
If they are in tanks, they don't need priests! Flamers on the Baal press, correct?

from my ((very little) experience, razorbacks are swapped for a smoking craters at the end of enemy turn 1; maybe if you got lucky and adversaries is'nt shoot suited, they can last a little longer.

maybe spamming them and adding some other fearing targets they can survive more, but still are cheap first blood choice (that or a drop pod in front of their lines), i never tried it with more than 2 tank, besides even with baal they shoot rhino/razorback more often

Alright, but when the razorback does die, what's the point of the marines inside? They have flamers (which I don't understand anyway, why not meltas?) but if the tank gets popped, they are going to be far away from the enemy. Also, why are we taking a tactical when there could be another Assault squad/Razor? The bikes could say bye for some TH/SS Termis, which will let curbulo shine.

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Alright, but when the razorback does die, what's the point of the marines inside? They have flamers (which I don't understand anyway, why not meltas?) but if the tank gets popped, they are going to be far away from the enemy. Also, why are we taking a tactical when there could be another Assault squad/Razor? The bikes could say bye for some TH/SS Termis, which will let curbulo shine.

ok, priest on tanks are not worthy (little use for high point)
an assault in lieu of a tactical? sometime i use a tactical to squad them and put on holding position with missile lancher and boltgun; mission is random rolled so just to be prepared and not being forced to sacrifice assault.
best use of razorback is to run fast on the field and transport unit to scoring position, hopefully it will last, or holding ground behind a cover/ADL and shoot at long range? or it depends on mission rolled?
i'd like bike for termies 'cause are fast, though too and can quickly assault or go close to tank and pop them with melta (also, they can melta marines or MC as well if enemies use little tanks). Termies tends to be slow so you need something to bring them in close combat position; however, Corbulo is a nice add to termies squad as well as unleash the rage
i agree Baal is with flamestorm cannon, but for sponsoon is better heavy flamer or HB? HB can shoot at range and also does a good damage (same than HF...) and at close range there are flamestorm...

each-uisge wrote:

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Alright, but when the razorback does die, what's the point of the marines inside? They have flamers (which I don't understand anyway, why not meltas?) but if the tank gets popped, they are going to be far away from the enemy. Also, why are we taking a tactical when there could be another Assault squad/Razor? The bikes could say bye for some TH/SS Termis, which will let curbulo shine.

ok, priest on tanks are not worthy (little use for high point)
an assault in lieu of a tactical? sometime i use a tactical to squad them and put on holding position with missile lancher and boltgun; mission is random rolled so just to be prepared and not being forced to sacrifice assault.
best use of razorback is to run fast on the field and transport unit to scoring position, hopefully it will last, or holding ground behind a cover/ADL and shoot at long range? or it depends on mission rolled?
i'd like bike for termies 'cause are fast, though too and can quickly assault or go close to tank and pop them with melta (also, they can melta marines or MC as well if enemies use little tanks). Termies tends to be slow so you need something to bring them in close combat position; however, Corbulo is a nice add to termies squad as well as unleash the rage
i agree Baal is with flamestorm cannon, but for sponsoon is better heavy flamer or HB? HB can shoot at range and also does a good damage (same than HF...) and at close range there are flamestorm...

Assault Squads in razors can be more effective. They can stay back and shoot (if they have Las/Plas or just Las) or they can go up and unload on objectives. If we are taking tanks, we should take lots of tanks, not just a bit, because then all of the list's anti-tank will focus on the few tanks and they will all be dead like that.
Combat squading can be good, but for BA, I think they should use their best troop: ASM. I like to keep how ever many razors back as the # of objectives in your table half.
Termis with curbulo don't really need a transport, they can just move, run for a couple turns, then be there... with two up FNP they should be extremely hard to kill. But if you like bikes, I won't argue any more.
I would say HB, because if they get immobilized (which seems to happen to me quite a bit) they can still do something. 6 shots with strength 5 can do something. Flamestorm should mostly take out whatever you shoot at if you get there.

I like the bikes and jumpers. 'Harcks back to the days of Kirby's Blood Rodeo updated for 6th: http://www.3plusplus.net/2012/07/blood-rodeo-the-6th-edition-transition/