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About 6 months ago my gaming store of choice went out of business and I took a hiatus. When I found a new place I was comfortable with and got back into it they had just started escalation, about mid January. They are working with 500 pts. for the remainder of this month and we'll bump it up to 1000 next month, 1500 in april, and 2000 in may. So I have have sent my wh40k career with the dark angles. I love their fluff but competitively I have never fared better than .500. So I figured I'd try the fallen approach and go CSM. So far they are much more fun to play, more diverse, and a bit more competitive. I have come up with 3 separate 500 pnt. lists I've been using and I am working on melding what I can into my 1000 point list.

So here are the lists I have so far.


Death's Vanguard

HQ
Chaos Lord Kranon (65 pts): bog standard

Troops
Cobb's Chaos Space marines 10 units (210 pts): CCW and pistols, 2 flamers, mark of slanesh and FNP icon of excess.

Techvar's Cultists 10 count (50 pts): bog standard

Anarchus' Cultists 10 count (50 pts.): bog standard

Elite
Helbrute Drax The Destroyer (125 pts) las cannon

Total: 500 points



The Disciples of Death

HQ
Daemon Prince Morbo (The News Daemon) 265 pnts. Black mace, wings, PA, Daemon of Tzeentch.

Troops
Techvar's Cultists 10 count (65): 8 Auto guns, 1 heavy stubber, and champion with shotgun

Anarchus' Cultists 10 count (55 pts.): bog standard but with a flamer.

Elite
Helbrute Drax The Destroyer (115 pts) aditional heavy flamer.

Total: 500 points.



The Fallen

HQ
Seraphicus The Fallen (sorcerer-110 pts): mastery lvl 2, mark of Tzeentch, force stave, gift of mutation

Troops
Techvar's Cultists 10 count (65): 8 Auto guns, 1 heavy stubber, and champion with shotgun

Anarchus' Cultists 10 count (55 pts.): bog standard but with a flamer.

Elite
Helbrute Drax The Destroyer (1oo pts) bog standard

Fast Attack
Heldrake Drogon (170 pts)

Total: 500 points




So My 1000 point list I am hovering at right now comes at around 1000 points, and the idea is to try as much as I can before refinement, but I want input on any of these lists really. Some of my judgment may be clouded with the paint job for the dp and hb as both took me 10+ hours and are the best I have panted yet.


The Fallen

HQ
Daemon Prince Morbo (The News Daemon) 265 pnts. Black mace, wings, PA, Daemon of Tzeentch. (warlord)

Seraphicus The Fallen (sorcerer-60 pts): bog standard

Troops
Anarchus' Cultists 16 count (79 pts.): bog standard but with a flamer.

Techvar's Cultists 10 count (65): 8 Auto guns, 1 heavy stubber, and champion with shotgun

unnamed Cultists 10 count (65): 8 Auto guns, 1 heavy stubber, and champion with shotgun

Elite
Helbrute Drax The Destroyer (1oo pts) bog standard

Fast Attack
Heldrake Drogon (170 pts)

Heavy
Defiler (195 pts) Bog Standard.

total 1000 points

I think the first list has the most potential. In small games, Troops are what wins it for you. So having 3 Squads to your opponents two really could be the winner. I don't think they need MoS and Icon of Excess though...that seems, umm, excessive

If you dropped the Helbrute, the MoS, and the Icon of Excess, you could probably by a Heldrake. He probably won't have a reliable way at 500 points to deal with your flyer. If you can keep the drake alive long enough to roast his troops, you win.

Just my 2¢

HQ-76pts of Pain
T1-Fodder 1 (CC cult x 10)
T2-Fodder 2 (CC cult x 10)
F1-Spawn x4 + MoN
F2-Turkey w/Baleflamer

414 for troops and fast units, 76pts for HQ/upgrades.
At 1000 add 1 Spawn w/ MoN.

A great base is 2 x 10 cult, 5 spawn (MoN), Turkey = 450pts.