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Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster. Im looking at getting back into warhammer 40k, specifically doing tournaments at warhammer world (as i live in nottingham). The list i.m trying to create is a well rounded list to deal with current meta armies.
So anyways heres my list, i need to cut 32 points so any help in that regard would be great, also i'm looking for some advice but ill be putting my thoughts into tactics and my ideas behind each choice at the bottom, thanks in advance for any help!


1500 CSM

HQ 400

Daemon Prince 265
- wings
- power armor
- Black Mace -
- mark of nurgle

Chaos Lord 135
- Mark of nurgle
- 1 x Lightning claws
- 1 x powerfirst
- sigil of corruption


Troops 634

7 plague marines 228
- 2 x melta
- melta bombs
- rhino

7 Plague marines 203
- 2 x Plasma gun
- melta bombs


7 Plague marines 203
- 2 x Plasma gun
- melta bombs


Fast Attack 170

Heldrake 170
- Baleflamer


Heavy Support 228

Obliterator 76
- MoN

Obliterator 76
- MoN

Obliterator 76
- MoN

Fortifications 100

Aegis defense line 100
- quadgun

total 1532

So my first Question is regarding my DP, mark of nurgle? or mark of slaanesh? The army is fairly nurgle themed, but im not that into fluff, so the optimal choice is preferred. Secondly, i wanted my lord on a bike with a squad, but couldnt find the points, as im already over. My general game plan would be to rush the lord + melta squad forward in the rhino to offer support to the DP as he gets up close with the black mace, this is also going to have the heldrake supporting them. The two squads of plasma gun plague marines will be to hold objects, and for one squad to sit on the quadgun. The 3 obilterator's will be diverse, as i can deep strike them vs horde armies for good flamer positioning or in the back to shoot high av targets in the rear, or 1 or 2 can also sit behind the fortifications to shoot from ranged.

So to recap, the things i'm after are, ways to drop this list to 1500, and any improvements people can suggest. Maybe drop an obilterator for a squad of bikes? but then i also need 20 more points for a bike for the lord.





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Slightly refined list, its in the points but im not sure if its better or worse.

HQ 420

Daemon Prince 265
- wings
- power armor
- Black Mace
- mark of tzeentch

Chaos Lord 155
- Mark of nurgle
- 1 x Lightning claws
- 1 x power axe
- blight grenades
- sigil of corruption
- bike

Troops 581

7 Plague marines 203
- 2 x Plasma gun
- melta bombs

7 Plague marines 203
- 2 x Plasma gun
- melta bombs

5 Plague marines 175
- 2 x melta
- melta bombs
- rhino

Fast Attack 258

Heldrake 170
- Baleflamer

3 bikes 88
-MoN
-melta bombs

Heavy Support 140

Obliterator 70

Obliterator 70

Fortifications 100

Aegis defense line 100
- quadgun

total 1499

Your second list is better, but if your not down with Nurgle and willing to commit fluff heresy, put a mark of Tzeentch on the prince. Re rolling your saves of 1 is kind of a big deal. Nurgle prevents you from sweeping units in combat, which you generally want to do. Since you have no psychic powers, consider a burning brand over the black mace. A bit cheaper, and capable of roasting troops. Use the points saved to buy a gift of mutation, which rarely hurts and often helps.

Toss melta bombs across the army. It does leave you weak against raiders, but almost everything else is Av10-11 on the rear, and krak grenades/power fists will do in a pinch. A gift on the lord is always welcome, but blight grenades are a must. For 5 bones, you get stealth at 8" or less, and deny charge bonuses FOR THE WHOLE SQUAD! Tossing bombs would also give you a gift on the nurgle lord...

ok the mark of tzeentch on the DP sounds like a no brainer now i look at it, so thanks there. I feel i have enough templates with the 2 oblit's and the heldrake.

How does dropping the power first on the lord sound? give him a power axe + blight grenades, then melt bombs to the bike champ aswell?