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I am new to the game so please provide all the info that you can, all comments are wonderful.

Here is the list I put together.

(200) - HQ1 - Sammael
(125) - HQ2 - Librarian W/PFG, Bike, Combi-Plasma
(125) - HQ3 - Librarian W/PFG, Bike, Combi-Plasma
(181) - Troops 1 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(6) W/Flamer(2) Combi-Flamer
(181) - Troops 2 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(6) W/Flamer(2) Combi-Flamer
(117) - Troops 3 - Ravenwing Attack Squad(4) W/Combi-Plasma
(294) - Fast Attack 1 - Ravenwing Black Knights(7)
(294) - Fast Attack 2 - Ravenwing Black Knights(7)
(240) - Elites 1 - Deathwing Terminator Squad(5) W/ TH/SS(4)
(240) - Elites 2 - Deathwing Terminator Squad(5) W/ TH/SS(4)

Leaves me at 1997 total.

My idea is to have the librarians ride with the Black Knights for the PFG as well as Twin-linking their Talons. Sammael will ride with one of the knight squads. The 2 attack Squads with flamers will take care of swarms/large groups while allowing to break out to a total of 5 groups for scoring. The terminators will teleport in using the homing becons of whatever group ends up needing support and close in to close combat with hammers.

I am not very familiar with the rules on flying yet so I don't know if this team is a sitting duck to it or not. I also am not familiar with the larger units for DA, so I don't know if I may have left something out that could be beneficial. Again, any comments would be accepted. I want to get a grasp on what I would like to build for my 2k points before going out and buying a ton of models.

I would suggest dropping the black knights, only to get 3 lots of 5 as ravenwing command squads (they're exactly the same, but 2 points cheaper)

also the Termies could possibly be dropped or given more of a specialisation (DA have special things that are good at shooting)
If you drop them I would seriously consider Dark Shrouds, or whatever they're called.
They're golden at protecting bikes.
If you have any points left, you may want to look into some dedicated anti-tank, to which I'd suggest

You MIGHT be able to fit in the stormwing formation (just paint the planes black and say the Ravenwing stole some from some chapter) to fill both anti-air and anti-tank

Wouldn't the plasma talons on the Black Knights be considered anti tank?

s7, so not really. Besides, stormwing allows to fill the exact hole that ravenwing face (and gives us an alternative to our gakky fliers), 2 talons with asscans and skyhammer clears skies, and a stormraven (it even has raven in the name!) with lascannon and multi melta (and 2 fancy missiles) helps with anti tank.

You could always slap some melta bombs on biker sgts/ libbies if you don't want to, but my advice would be to drop the 2nd libby (it's kinda unnecessary), and the 2 termie squads (they do exactly what the plasma squads do but worse) and change the knights to command squads (same models, same rules but cheaper) invest in a darkshroud and either a stormwing or more bikes.

That's my view at least

Also you are aware that plasma talons are twin linked anyway? it's a typo, they're definitely twin linked rapid fire.

Yes but the librarian ability allows for a reroll it doesnt actually make them twin linked, it would give you a second reroll. I guess that is a bit overkill. Ill rework the list some and see what I can come up with.


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The program I am using to build my army states that you can only have one ravenwing command squad in an army. Is this correct?


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Can you explain the benifit of the Darkshroud and the Darktalon?

The darkshroud seems like with the 6" bubble that you would have to slow your bikes down to be able to stay in it which takes away a big plus of playing the bikes in the first place.

I looked at the Darktalon's stats and I just don't see the benefit, maybe I don't get fliers but it seems that the weapons on it are meh...

I don't see skyhammer/stormraven even in the listing.

ok, lemme break it down yo.

Libby ability DOESN'T let you re roll re rolls, if that makes sense? you can only re roll a dice once.

It should say that you can only have 1 command squad per character on a bike, which your libby+sammy are.
Darktalon? None, it's really not that good at all, sadly :c
Darkshroud? it makes your expensive, jinking bikes much more survivable, which is VERY good (if you have 1 black knight within 6" of it they get a 3+ cover save!) and the darkshroud moves faster than bikes, so that point is just silly (as you should be turboboosting it every turn to get a 2+ cover save)
I think you misunderstand about the last bit, it's a dataslate formation, and I don't know what program you're using but it seems to be quite bad, I would just use book considering all the misconceptions you have :s


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Basically you should google stormwing formation(i'm definitely not advocating piracy, but....) and just a quick tip; Skyhammer is a missile launcher which is basically a 3 shot autocannon with no AP value.

Ok cool, then I can see that the Librarian would only be providing the Invuln from the PFG then which is probably not worth the points put into it.

Is it correct to say that having a +3 cover save from the Jink/Shroud would be better in just about all cases than dragging around the librarian for the +4 invuln save?

I am using Battlescribe as a program, and only use it at work when i don't have my book available.

Nah, I would keep libbys, but ditch PFGs.

You could just have 1 librarian, but make him ML2 and hope for invisibility/ the cover ignoring power in divination.

You'd still have 10 Black Knights, and the excess points could go towards some dedicated anti-armour.

About the Jink Vs. PFGs, I've never really used the generator, so I really couldn't comment with any actual knowledge.

You've got three HQ's and three Troops, which is too many HQ's for a single Force Organization but too few Troops to take Double Force Org.

The advantage of the PFG is that it protects you from Ignores-Cover AP3 weaponry (Heldrakes, I'm looking at you).

Black Knights Vs. RW Command Squad - command squads cap out at 5 models, but can take an apothecary and standard bearer, Knights cap out at 10 and come with a Huntsmaster. Either way I'd suggest at least one grenade launcher per unit - it allows you to double-out multi-wound T4 models and makes it easier to wound things like Riptides and Wraithknights.

Librarians can be quite useful, though Prescience won't benefit the Talons (as already mentioned, you cannot re-roll a re-roll) it will still let you re-roll misses in combat. Other powers from Divination that are useful are Forewarning (invuln save, and you can cast it on another unit), Perfect Timing (Ignores Cover Plasma weaponry? Yum!), and Misfortune. And that's without even considering other trees - but those all go out the window when the new edition drops in just over a week, everything could be different (but I think you'll still want at least one Libby).