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Ok, So I've been working on a point value system for Age of Sigmar and have played two battles with the implementation. I'll save you the formulas but it is quite extensive and seems to be fairly close to balanced, but again only two games, so small sample size.

The two games were both Bretonnia vs. Dwarfs, result 1-1, but Bretonnia seemed stronger overall; below are the armies:

Bretonnia (2161 points): Louen Leoncouer, The Fay Enchantress, The Green Knight, 2 squads of 5 Grail Knights, 1 Trebuchet, 25 peasant bowmen

Dwarfs: (2162 points): Ungrim Ironfist, Dwarf Engineer, 15 Hammerers, 15 Irondrakes, 10 Quarrellers, 1 Gyrocopter, 1 Cannon, 1 Organ Gun, 1 Grudge Thrower

Battle 1:
Dwarf set-up: 3 war machines surrounding one engineer on the Left, Hammerers closest to them in Center Left followed by Irondrakes and Ungrim, then Quarrellers Center Right ending with gyrocopter. All units on front line (a mistake for this battle).
Bretonnians set-up: trebuchet back center right within range of all enemies, Louen Left with The Fay behind him and 5Grail Knights to the right of them in Center Left, followed by 5Grail Knights in Center and then 25 Archers Center Right. (all units except trebuchet on front line).

Turn 1:
Bretonnians:
Go first and charge forward all units except trebuchet and bring in The Green Knight on a 5 roll and set him up 9" from the Dwarf 3 cannon surrounding one engineer assembly area. This was a crucial mistake for the Dwarf player not protecting the war machines with ground troops. The bowmen move forward 5" and low their "Arrowstorm" volley at the Quarrellers (104 attacks, 30 wounds, 9 unsaved) allowing the Grail Knights easy access from the right flank. The Trebuchet fires at the Hammerers and kills 9 units as well (Rolls are not being kind to the Dwarfs). The Fay gives Louen Mystic Shield.

Dwarfs:
Charge forward with the Gyrocopter and attack the archers killing 3, and move the hammerers over to protect the war machines from Louen and move Ungrim over a bit too. The Organ Gun fires on The Fay and deal 6 wounds and The Fay fails 5 saves to be slain. The Cannon and Grudge Thrower fire upon Louen and deal 4 Wounds and the Hammerers charge in and deal 2 more wounds to Louen, leaving him with 4, but he does kill all remaining Hammerers. The Irondrakes fire upon the Grail Knights and kill 1 model.

Turn 2:
Bretonnians:
The Green Knight charges in and destroys the Cannon, Louen heals 2 wounds and takes out the Organ Gun, The Grail Knights charge into the Irondrakes and destroy them, while the archers and finish off the Gyrocopter. The trebuchet is about the fire when the Dwarf player abandons the game, realizing his mistakes.

Battle 2:
Dwarf set-up: 3 war machines surrounding one engineer on the Back Left, Hammerers closest to them in Back Left Right, with Irondrakes and Ungrim in the Left Center, then Quarrellers Left Left, ending with Gyrocopter far away on the Center Right. The Dwarf player has essentially castled his units, protecting the war machines.
Bretonnians set-up: trebuchet Back Center Right within range of all enemies, Louen Left Center with The Fay behind him and 5 Grail Knights to the left of them in Left Left, followed by 25 Archers Left Right and 5 Grail Knights in Center (guarding the Trebuchet). (all units except trebuchet on front line).

Turn 1:
Bretonnians:
Go first again and charge forward toward the "castled' troops", The Fay casts Mystic Shield on Louen again, The Green Knight fails to come in on a 1 roll, the Trebuchet hits but only kills 1 Quarreller, the Archers move forward but cannot hit anything.

Dwarfs:
Move forward slightly with castled units, move Gyrocopter towards trebuchet, Organ Gun fires at the Fay and take her down to 2 Wounds left, Cannon completes the job, killing The Fay, Louen is left alone and the Grail Knights lose 2 models from the Quarrellers and Irondrakes. The Dwarf Engineer kicks major butt sitting in the middle of the three war machines.

Further Turns:
The Bretonnian army suffers poor rolling with Trebuchet and Louen on the next charge (Slaying only 3 Irondrakes), but do get the Green Knight to appear on Turn 2 and start doing damage to the Hammerers. The War Machines are mostly uninterrupted and lay waste to much of the Bretonnian Army in the next few turns, the Gyrocopter is slain by the 5 Grail Knights in Turn 2 and the Archers "Arrowstorm" ability only kills 6 Irondrakes in Turn 2. The battle is won by the Dwarfs after the Green Knight fails to take out the "Sudden Death Blunt" Rule Hammerers in Turn 6. (The Green Knight died Turn 4 and came back in Turn 5).

Final Thoughts on battles:
Overall, I think the point system allowed for a much better game, more balanced. We played 2 games prior with about the same armies based on 50 Wounds each and the Dwarf player was crushed!

Point System:
The way the point system is configured a weighted value is placed on each unit statistic to establish an overall Attack Rating and "Other Rating", combined to create the unit's total Point Value.

To give an example of the Armies in the Battles above here is the individual unit point break down:
Dwarfs:
Ungrim Ironfist - 254
Dwarf Engineer - 164
15 irondrakes - 540
15 Hammerers - 390
10 Quarrellers - 140
Gyrocopter - 181
Organ Gun - 183
Cannon - 166
Grudge Thrower - 144

Bretonnians:
Louen Leoncouer - 537
The Fay Enchantress - 362
The Green Knight - 301
10 Grail Knights - 440
25 Peasant Bowmen - 300
Trebuchet - 221

If you think some units seem overpowered/ underpowered based on points assigned let me know.

As we play more games, i'll update this thread with more reports. The next game should be Empire vs High Elves.

I have established complete Army point listings for the following Armies:
Bretonnia
Warriors of Chaos
Dwarfs
Empire
High Elves
(Working on Stormcast Eternals)

If anyone else would like to help test this point system, put your two army lists in response and i'll reply with the points for each unit (You'll have to let me know what weapons/abilities are chosen if they can differ).

Seems quite promising. A post detailing your points algorithm would seem more helpful than having to tabulate eberyones list yourself.

 Eldarain wrote:
Seems quite promising. A post detailing your points algorithm would seem more helpful than having to tabulate eberyones list yourself.

I will once I have finalized the algorithm, plus I have many user controlled point variables based on the various abilities units have. . I have the entire listing in Excel, which makes it really easy to tabulate army listing. Obviously I am unable to upload here. But once I have it narrowed down by unit and types of weapons equipped, i'll upload here as well.

Here is a listing of all available units from the Empire, Bretonnia, High Elves, Dwarfs, and Warriors of Chaos. Please reply with your results from your battles after using this system to help play test. THANK YOU!!!!

Obviously these point values for some units are based on what weapons the User choses, but should be fairly comparable nevertheless. Enjoy!

Army Unit Points
Bretonnia Men-At-Arms 12
Bretonnia Peasantmen 12
Bretonnia Battle Pilgrims 21
Bretonnia Knights Errant 41
Bretonnia Knights of the Realm 43
Bretonnia Questing Knights 43
Bretonnia Grail Knights 44
Bretonnia Mounted Yeomen 48
Bretonnia Pegasus Knights 97
Bretonnia Damsel of the Lady 186
Bretonnia Paladin 195
Bretonnia Paladin Standard Bearer 204
Bretonnia Field Trebuchet 221
Bretonnia Bretonnian Lord 250
Bretonnia Green Knight 301
Bretonnia Fay Enchantress 362
Bretonnia Louen Leoncouer 537
Dwarfs Warriors 14
Dwarfs Thunderers 14
Dwarfs Quarrellers 14
Dwarfs Longbeards 16
Dwarfs Miners 17
Dwarfs Hammerers 26
Dwarfs Slayers 28
Dwarfs Ironbreakers 33
Dwarfs Irondrakes 36
Dwarfs Kraggi 109
Dwarfs Bolt Thrower 141
Dwarfs Grudge Thrower 144
Dwarfs Dwarf Engineer 164
Dwarfs Cannon 166
Dwarfs Thane Battle Standard 171
Dwarfs Runelord 174
Dwarfs Gyrocopter Brimstone 181
Dwarfs Organ Gun 183
Dwarfs Dwarf Lord 189
Dwarfs Josef Bugman 191
Dwarfs Dragon Slayers 193
Dwarfs Gyrobombers 200
Dwarfs Flame Cannon 211
Dwarfs Belegar Ironhammer 226
Dwarfs Grimm Burloksson Grudge-Raker 238
Dwarfs Ungrim Ironfist The Slayer King 254
Dwarfs Thorek Ironbrow Klad Brakak 265
Dwarfs High King Thorgrim 324
Empire Empire Free Company 8
Empire Empire Archers 11
Empire Empire Crossbowmen 12
Empire Empire State Troops 13
Empire Empire handgunners 15
Empire Flagellants Warband 26
Empire Empire Greatswords 27
Empire Empire Pistoliers 35
Empire Empire Knights 38
Empire Empire Outriders 39
Empire Reiksguard Knights 40
Empire Demigryph Knights 87
Empire Empire Mortar 119
Empire Hellblaster Volley Gun 147
Empire Helstorm Rocket Battery 160
Empire Battle Wizard 160
Empire Witch Hunter 166
Empire Empire Master Engineer 174
Empire Master Engineer on Steed 181
Empire Markus Wulfhart 181
Empire Empire Cannon 182
Empire Warrior Priest 187
Empire Volkmar the Grim 191
Empire Grand Master Heirloom 193
Empire Luthor Huss 196
Empire Kurt Helborg 218
Empire Empire General 218
Empire Ludwig Schwarzheim 226
Empire Balthasar Gelt 264
Empire Valten 265
Empire Marius Leitdorf 278
Empire Luminark of Hysh Beam of Light 477
Empire War Altar of Sigmar with Volkmar Light 494
Empire Amber Wizard on Griffon 502
Empire General on Griffon 526
Empire Empire Steam Tank 527
Empire Celestial Hurricanum 558
Empire Karl Franz Runefang 735
High Elves High Elf Archers 11
High Elves Lothern Sea Guard 14
High Elves High Elfmen 15
High Elves Shadow Warriors 29
High Elves masters of Hoeth 30
High Elves White Lions of Chrace 30
High Elves Sisters of Averlon 31
High Elves Phoenix Guard 37
High Elves Silver Helms 38
High Elves Dragon Princes of Caledor 41
High Elves Ellyrian Reavers 42
High Elves Great Eagles 162
High Elves Tiranoc Chariotss 178
High Elves Korhil 182
High Elves High Elf Mage 189
High Elves Anointed of Asuryan 193
High Elves Handmaiden of the Everqueen 198
High Elves Loremaster of Hoeth 210
High Elves White Lion Chariotss 213
High Elves Lothern Sea Helm 222
High Elves Caradryan 232
High Elves Repeater Bolt Thrower Ithilmar 238
High Elves High Elf Prince Reaver 245
High Elves Alarielle The Radiant 275
High Elves Prince Althran 278
High Elves Lothern Skycutter 290
High Elves Teclis Moon 307
High Elves Lothern Sea Helm on Skycutter 342
High Elves Alith Anar, The Shadow King 344
High Elves High Elf Prince on Griffon 379
High Elves Tyrion Sunfang 390
High Elves Flamespyre Phoenix Talons 535
High Elves Eltharion on Stormwing Fang 542
High Elves Frostheart Phoenix Talons 570
High Elves Archmage on Dragon 603
High Elves Dragon Mage Sunstaff 608
High Elves Prince Imrik, Dragonlord 627
High Elves High Elf Prince on Dragon 640
Warriors of Chaos Marauders of Chaos 12
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Warhounds 16
Warriors of Chaos Warriors of Chaos 20
Warriors of Chaos Forsaken 32
Warriors of Chaos Marauder Horsemen 33
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Familiars 43
Warriors of Chaos Hellstriders of Slaanesh 49
Warriors of Chaos Wrathmongers 53
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Knights 55
Warriors of Chaos Putrid Blightkings 56
Warriors of Chaos Skullreapers Gore-slick 59
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Trolls Vomit 86
Warriors of Chaos Skullcrushers of Khorne 99
Warriors of Chaos Dragon Ogres 118
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Spawn 157
Warriors of Chaos Exalted Hero with Battle Standard 176
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord of Slaanesh 207
Warriors of Chaos Crom the Conquerer 223
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Chariots 224
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord 225
Warriors of Chaos Skarr Bloodwrath 227
Warriors of Chaos Wulfrik the Wanderer 240
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord 247
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord 249
Warriors of Chaos Lammasu 249
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer 258
Warriors of Chaos Khorne Exalted Hero 259
Warriors of Chaos Sigvald The Magnificent 268
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Chaos Lord 276
Warriors of Chaos Gutrot Spume 278
Warriors of Chaos Vilitch the Curseling 282
Warriors of Chaos Great Taurus Fire 284
Warriors of Chaos Festus The Leechlord 285
Warriors of Chaos Gorebest Chariots 286
Warriors of Chaos Scyla Anfingrimm Fists 286
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount 286
Warriors of Chaos Nurgle Lord on Daemonic Mount 287
Warriors of Chaos Throgg Vomit 288
Warriors of Chaos Valkia The Bloody 295
Warriors of Chaos Lord of Slaanesh on Daemonic mount 295
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Nurgle 296
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Cursed 311
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Khorne 311
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Slaanesh 311
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc of Tzeentch 318
Warriors of Chaos Daemon Prince Tzeentch 361
Warriors of Chaos Khorne Lord on Juggernaut 362
Warriors of Chaos Cockatrice 394
Warriors of Chaos Giant 412
Warriors of Chaos Hellcannon 436
Warriors of Chaos Slaughterbrute 436
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Sorcerer Lord on Manticore 444
Warriors of Chaos Mutalith Vortex 447
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Warshrine 452
Warriors of Chaos Be'lakor, Choas Daemon Prince 452
Warriors of Chaos Dragon Ogre Shaggoth 464
Warriors of Chaos Chaos Lord on Manticore 482
Warriors of Chaos Bloab Rotspawned 483
Warriors of Chaos Orghotts Daemonspew 553
Warriors of Chaos Galrauch 561
Warriors of Chaos Chimera 583
Warriors of Chaos Archaon, The Everchosen Slayer 585
Warriors of Chaos Morbidex Twiceborn 590
Warriors of Chaos The Glottkin 783

What Army would you guys like me to get points for next?

And now I bring you Vampire Counts:

Let me know you thoughts.

Vampire Counts Zombies 17
Vampire Counts Skeleton Warriors 20
Vampire Counts Crypt Ghouls 22
Vampire Counts Grave Guard 39
Vampire Counts Dire Wolves 42
Vampire Counts Black Knights 47
Vampire Counts Blood Knights 59
Vampire Counts Hexwraiths 65
Vampire Counts Fell Bats 92
Vampire Counts Spirit Hosts 103
Vampire Counts Vargheists 108
Vampire Counts Crypt Horrors 114
Vampire Counts Corpse Cart 172
Vampire Counts Necromancer 194
Vampire Counts Wight King 228
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith 235
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee 240
Vampire Counts Black Coach 260
Vampire Counts Vampire Lord 265
Vampire Counts Konrad Von Carstein 282
Vampire Counts Krell, Lord of the Undeath 296
Vampire Counts Morghast Harbingers 300
Vampire Counts Morghast Archai 303
Vampire Counts Isabella Von Carstein 303
Vampire Counts Bat Swarms 307
Vampire Counts Strigoi Ghoul King 315
Vampire Counts Heinrich Kemmler, The Lichemaster 344
Vampire Counts Vampire Lord on Abyssal Terror 356
Vampire Counts Count Mannfred 361
Vampire Counts Vlad Von Carstein 382
Vampire Counts Varghulf 384
Vampire Counts Mortis Engine 400
Vampire Counts Coven Throne 475
Vampire Counts Neferata, Mortarch of Blood 591
Vampire Counts Arkhan the Black 642
Vampire Counts Mannfred, Mortarch of Night 674
Vampire Counts Terrorgheist 760
Vampire Counts Zombie Dragon 776
Vampire Counts Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead 997

I never really played fantasy with any kind of regularity, and I really don't plan to play AoS. My friends play it though and have all agreed that the 2 largest problems with the game are the silly rules and the lack of a point system so you can actually list build.

Is this the general consensus? If AoS had a point system that AoS would have probably been a hit?

Nvs wrote:
I never really played fantasy with any kind of regularity, and I really don't plan to play AoS. My friends play it though and have all agreed that the 2 largest problems with the game are the silly rules and the lack of a point system so you can actually list build.

Is this the general consensus? If AoS had a point system that AoS would have probably been a hit?

My friend and I who play thought not having a point listing was an issue and so I came up with a formula to apply to all armies/models and above is the result. Is it perfect, no, but it's a start and gets closer to balanced than anything else I have seen.

If anyone else uses this, I would love to hear comments as to the results.