Marines VS Orks: A Stompa and a Knight walk into a bar...

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**Swampmist**

Hello all, Swampmist here, and I have a conundrm. Im currently on vacation with my family, and when I return home I will be having a game with a good friend of mine who plays orks. My problem is that he just finished his stompa, and already has an IK to support it. I'm an SM player who owns no IK, Assasins, Mechanicus, Fliers or Bikes. My question to you, dear dakkanaughts, is how should I build the list? The game is currently set for 2000 points, although neither of us would mind going to 2500. He plays a fairly mechanized list with less infantry than most, so my current list is meltacide to the max. I currently olay IH and RG, although Im open to IF and Salamanders as well. So, yeah, any thoughts?

**Mr ghoti**

Grav bikes. Minimal squads, command bikes with shields and grav works wonders. If he's bringing 2 kitted out superheavies, bring your own hard cheese.

2000 points.
Chapter master - artificer armor, storm shield, combi-grav, Thunder hammer, auspex, digital weapons, bike

Chapter master - artificer armor, storm shield, combi-grav, Thunder hammer, auspex, digital weapons, bike

Command Squad -bikes, 4x power fist, 4x storm shield, 4x grav gun, apothecary

Command Squad -bikes, 4x power fist, 4x storm shield, 4x grav gun, apothecary

Command Squad -bikes, 4x power fist, 4x storm shield, 4x grav gun, apothecary

Bike Squad - attack bike w/multi-melta, sergeant with melta bombs, 2 grav guns

Bike Squad - attack bike w/multi-melta, sergeant with melta bombs, 2 grav guns

Tactical Squad - 4+sergeant, Drop pod, melta, sergeant with melta bombs.

**Swampmist**

Again, I own literally 3 bikes, have nothing the same size to proxy and no-one else in the store owns any I could proxy, otherwise bikes would be coming in force

**IHateNids**

What do you have available in the cheddar department?

**Swampmist**

IHateNids wrote:
What do you have available in the cheddar department?

Honestly, not a lot. My LGS has a fairly lax policy on proxies, so it's Not hard to switch up and get some better stuff. Currently planning on proxying for a vindicare to give me a fairly guaranteed pen early on. Only own one Drop Pod and one Rhino/Razorback/Whirlwind, got a TFC, lots of marine bodies and assault marines with packs, a LSS, two units of Termies and some characters. EDIT: Oh, and a Tri-laz predator. Can make devs with laz or Missles, also am open to FW characters and tanks if I can get the rules.

**IHateNids**

Was hoping for something a little harder hitting...

You could just try and drown the two walkers in Lascannon and Melta fire, which wouls probably work, but it would also leave your infantry managment a bit lax. Proxying the Rhino as a Vinidcator wouldnt go amiss either.

Otherwise, just build as much speed as you can from Demi-Companies to just out-score him and hope you dont get tabled.

**Swampmist**

The other problem with that is that, as far as I know, we'll b playing either straight purge or something else from the Eternal War table, and my lack of transports...

**IHateNids**

Demis allow for all your units to have ObSec, irrespective of transport shennanigans

Playing Eternal War against a Stompa/Knight combo without having anything heavy hitting of your own is almost suicidal from a tactics point of view, so I ouldnt recommend that at all.

you could ask your friend nicely if he wouldnt mind you using the IK and let him keep the stompa?

**Saythings**

What kind of missions are you running? I imagine just book missions?

With only 2 super heavies, you can "ignore" them fairly easily. Just shoot at the rest of his army and run Gladius.

I run Salamander Gladius personally because I love the twinlinked melta and Mastercrafted Sternguard that I run. (1st Company Task Force is my Auxiliary of choice, but most just run the 10th Company).

From the games I've played my Gladius with (only 4 games so far), I have been having fairly easy wins going for objectives and surviving. It's definitely not a fun list in terms of cheese, but it durable as hell. Durable meaning 65+ 3+ armor save models all in 5mans with 11 pods sitting on or near objectives. It's hard to remove. 2 out of the 4 games had IKs and 1 of the games was against 3 Riptides. I can't imagine a Stompa and a IK making it that much more difficult.

Just remember you don't have to kill to win in 7th edition. Gladius just makes it easier with everything being Obsec, short of the Sternguard.

Edit: I only suggest Gladius since it seems you only have foot marines available. It's a lot of models and most people don't have the numbers. Personally, I'm 10 Devs and 5 Stern short of running the list without proxies. But I don't see what else you can run since you seem to have a lack of hard hitting elites/heavies.

Just noticed your lack of transports. Proxy drop pods with solo cups helped me when I was first play testing my army back in the day. Cutting out cardboard rectangles for rhinos/razors or simplying borrowing from the store could help. Gladius' strength is the free transports after all.

One last comment, promise, what do you mean when you refer to having meltacide to the max? Without drop pods, I don't see what you meant by meltacide. How did you plan on getting them in melta range?

**Swampmist**

@IhateNids: he said I could borrow the Knight, but only after he gets to use both in a game. He's justed finished/ is just about to finish the stompa, which is made of a LR, a Monolith, a Fire Prism, and a Forgefiend, so he wants a game with both.
@Saythings: sadly, using cups and such is the one thing my FLGS isn't ok with. Also, as stated, the game will be either straight Purge, or a roll on Eternal War. Nobody but me like maelstrom so we never play it. Also, on your last comment, Legion if the Damned, Scouting LSS with combi-melta inside, double melta bikes and a pod with Melta Command Squad with an apothecary are my main sources, plus a melta/combi-melta marine squad in a rhino. Also have a squad of T5 Devs with Lazcannons because FW

**Swampmist**

Ok, hopeully the post auto-ammends this time. Here is my current 2000 point list, using a Sniper Scout as the Vindicare.

Spoiler:

**Saythings**

You should definitely clean up your army list. It's against Dakka policy to include points in general, but I, and I'm assuming others, don't want to shift through all the upgrades and descriptions. Haha.

**Swampmist**

Oh, um, well then. I just copy-pasted from Battlescribe, sorry. Ill try to write something up, but typing a full description on my Iphone is hard, and Im not at home so have no comp access...