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So we all know the warp alters everything it touches and it clearly alters armor, but does it make it unable to remove? I would imagine in general marines can, but units like oblits cannot. Is their any fluff or knowledge to back this up? Thank you

Most of them can't id say, the warp has changed them so much that some part of the armor has fused with them.

It really depends. For most of them? They probably can't-they practically live inside their armor, so the Warp would fuse it to them.

For some, especially those who routinely doff their armor, they should be able to.

Yes. Back in 2nd edition being fused into their armour was specifically a part of the Mark of Khorne (which gave a 2+ armour save in addition to Frenzy), but skip forward to 3rd edition and you've got the novel Storm of Iron wherein a Berzerker takes his daemon armour off for a slave to clean it.

 Gashrog wrote:
Yes. Back in 2nd edition being fused into their armour was specifically a part of the Mark of Khorne (which gave a 2+ armour save in addition to Frenzy), but skip forward to 3rd edition and you've got the novel Storm of Iron wherein a Berzerker takes his daemon armour off for a slave to clean it.

This is what I imagine. Armor would still need to be cleaned or replaced as it gets damaged, so it would have to still come off

It was freaky inside...

Like alive... And smart. Possessed with a low level spirit of some kind.

It also managed to mould in size to a human...
So.. Its a mix... Its... Bio freaky tech...

 jhe90 wrote:
It was freaky inside...

Like alive... And smart. Possessed with a low level spirit of some kind.

It also managed to mould in size to a human...
So.. Its a mix... Its... Bio freaky tech...

That's kinda cool, more molded around them than to them

It does depend.

In storm of iron, you do see someone remove his armour.

In the book Dark Disciple, The Chaos marine has his armour forcibly removed by a Dark Eldar and it had fused to his flesh because he hadn't been removed in thousand of years.

Some can, some can't.
I believe fleshmetal is how it is represented on the table top.

Depends on the level of allegiance that they have to chaos.

For example in the Nightlords series, Talos routinely takes his armor off for maintenance..etc etc....where as Vandred's armor was melded to his body.

Considering many marines become fused with their weapons (because they are "one with their weapon" and metaphors become manifest if you spend too long in contact with the warp) it makes sense that a good deal of CSMs have a similar 'problem' with their armour.

 Supertony51 wrote:
Depends on the level of allegiance that they have to chaos.

For example in the Nightlords series, Talos routinely takes his armor off for maintenance..etc etc....where as Vandred's armor was melded to his body.

Wasn't Vandred a possessed marine?

Animus wrote:
Some can, some can't.

Chaos marines are highly varied. Some only recently went traitor, others have been worshiping chaos for 10,000 years.

Obviously a Tson is only his armor. Plague marines might have trouble taking it off. Oblits have been redone to be armor fused with daemon fused with man.

But I'm sure there are some Heresy era marines who take off their armor all the time.

I know for sure The Thousand Sons can't, with that whole rubric thing.

 TheLumberJack wrote:

 Supertony51 wrote:
Depends on the level of allegiance that they have to chaos.

For example in the Nightlords series, Talos routinely takes his armor off for maintenance..etc etc....where as Vandred's armor was melded to his body.

Wasn't Vandred a possessed marine?

Yeah, he had a demon in possession of his body, but not to the degree of a normal jabbering possessed space marine

Path of Heaven, the Emperor's Children drill it into place to get ready I believe.

Almost all of the Blood Gorgon warband can take their armour off yet their chapter master Gammadin is literally made out his armour. No joke an auspex reading showed he registered as 88% metal composite <_>

I think Argal Tal in Betrayer notes that some of his armour is no longer removable after he has started to mutate. Towards the end of the book, maybe after Istvaan V.

BaconUprising wrote:
Almost all of the Blood Gorgon warband can take their armour off yet their chapter master Gammadin is literally made out his armour. No joke an auspex reading showed he registered as 88% metal composite <_>

FULL
METAL
EVERYTHING

It depends on the specific marine, and legion, as the Iron Warriors could take their armour off, but the World Eaters really can't (And wouldn't anyways).

This was covered in Dark Apostle and Daemon World (both involving the Word Bearers)

The armor fuses to the host, but it can still be removed... surgically. It's like peeling off one giant fingernail.

 Arktyranus wrote:
It depends on the specific marine, and legion, as the Iron Warriors could take their armour off, but the World Eaters really can't (And wouldn't anyways).

World Eaters don't even clean their armour.

Supposedly, they never repainted it from white, it just got bloody and they never washed it up.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Arktyranus wrote:
It depends on the specific marine, and legion, as the Iron Warriors could take their armour off, but the World Eaters really can't (And wouldn't anyways).

World Eaters don't even clean their armour.

Supposedly, they never repainted it from white, it just got bloody and they never washed it up.

I remember once reading, not sure if whfb or 40k, but for some Khorne warriors the armour just begins to weep blood uncontrollably.

 welshhoppo wrote:

 Arktyranus wrote:
It depends on the specific marine, and legion, as the Iron Warriors could take their armour off, but the World Eaters really can't (And wouldn't anyways).

World Eaters don't even clean their armour.

Supposedly, they never repainted it from white, it just got bloody and they never washed it up.

Don't know if it's been retconned but the World Eaters reforged their armour at that foot of Khornes throne after the heresy.