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2017/02/27 15:48:29
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) - First model done.....
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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I know female marines are not in the background, but been playing for 25 years and always wanted my personalized army.
So here I am and will post updates, I got a friend to help and working on a 3D model.
later will post some images to get ideas and feedback if you don't mind.
FIRST POSED MODEL NEXT TO AN ACTUAL MODEL: (one of the 2 models is 1mm taller, I will go with the shorter version)
FIRST MODEL POSED:
FIRST 4 MODELS DONE: Cpt, and 2 sdditional poses:
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2017/02/27 16:33:11
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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This is interesting. At some point I was planning necron female army, by combining eldar and necron parts.
Making female chapter thou It will be a lot of conversion work, unless someone here does not suggest a decent method or better. But having 3D modeler is pretty cool, althou the most 3D printer stuff I've seen for 28mm is a.... disaster.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/02/27 16:34:56
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2017/02/27 17:41:45
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Dakka Veteran
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The printed material difference is really a case of what the printer is capable of. Look at what the one guy's done over at www.popgoesthemonkey.com - his stuff is all 3d modeled and printed, through Shapeways' equipment.
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2017/02/27 22:18:15
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Posts with Authority
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Most of what you need is a box of tac marines and a few female heads, Shirley?
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2017/02/27 23:09:51
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I'll ask the silly question - why not just get 28-32mm female sci-fi heads from Statuesque and put them on normal marines? Females anatomy wouldn't be different enough to warrant anything different. (if we assume female Space Marines are genetically "beefed up" like their male counterparts").
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2017/02/28 11:35:05
Subject: Re:Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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@Elbows - The whole body and armor is thinner and shaped to have a female look. I don't want them to look like Schwarzneger with Sharon Stone head on them.
Legs will be thinner and longer, bust will have a hint of a breast and so on.
As far as printers I have access to an Envisiontec printer that will not be an issue.
Once I get some decent images I will post them to get some feedback.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Here a quick low res image for you to judge.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Main questions now are:
1) Chapter symbol/icon - Any suggestion?
2) Chapter name - Based on symbol/icon?
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2017/02/28 11:50:00
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2017/02/28 15:33:48
Subject: Re:Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Posts with Authority
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femmemarine wrote:@Elbows - The whole body and armor is thinner and shaped to have a female look. I don't want them to look like Schwarzneger with Sharon Stone head on them.
Legs will be thinner and longer, bust will have a hint of a breast and so on.
I try not to negatively criticise hobby projects, but while I'm sure you have noble intentions and the render looks sharp, it looks and sounds like your design is based on fantasy tropes and assumptions about female anatomy and female armour, rather than what the former, at least, really is.
To begin with, I agree with Elbows. I'll also throw space marine powered armour in there - inches-thick armour that covers anatomy and bulks it out. But even thinning the layer down a bit, the design here looks very skinny in places. The effect's added to by the - frankly - extreme length of the legs. (Fun fact - female legs are generally, proportionally shorter than male legs. It's the higher waistline that make them seem longer.) Although the torso piece is one of the thicker, spaced-out pieces of this design, the fact that it's still going to be externally shaped to accommodate breasts suggests a hefty endowment on the otherwise thin frame. It's a body shape that Sharon Stone would've failed to match. Sorry to say, the overall effect puts me in mind of a different plastic toy.
And we're talking about people who've been genetically modified and roided up to become enormously strong, barely-human super-soldiers. You don't want Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that's fair enough, but I dunno if supermodel+ is entirely appropriate either!
Putting aside overidealised anatomy: with real-life plate armour and it's necessary padding, body shape is obscured and there's little apparent difference between the sexes. I'd say the same would be more true of powered armour.
It's your project to do what you like, and you've already put a lot of work into it, so I don't want to stop you. But I'd say that a bit more subtlety in the design wouldn't kill it it dead, either.
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2017/02/28 15:55:06
Subject: Re:Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Vermis, I fully agree with your quotes. On the other hand all I had to do is get female heads and do a swap.
I want something unique and that will be immediately noticeable... so my females have bionic implants in their slim bodies
no seriously I see what you say and really I do agree. but I want them to be super hero female proportions as much as possible even if not realistic.
Also what you see pictured here will not look the same in reality, before getting these proportions I did a few low level detail test prints.
Here a side view to disappoint you even more just kidding....
Vermis wrote:femmemarine wrote:@Elbows - The whole body and armor is thinner and shaped to have a female look. I don't want them to look like Schwarzneger with Sharon Stone head on them.
Legs will be thinner and longer, bust will have a hint of a breast and so on.
I try not to negatively criticise hobby projects, but while I'm sure you have noble intentions and the render looks sharp, it looks and sounds like your design is based on fantasy tropes and assumptions about female anatomy and female armour, rather than what the former, at least, really is.
To begin with, I agree with Elbows. I'll also throw space marine powered armour in there - inches-thick armour that covers anatomy and bulks it out. But even thinning the layer down a bit, the design here looks very skinny in places. The effect's added to by the - frankly - extreme length of the legs. (Fun fact - female legs are generally, proportionally shorter than male legs. It's the higher waistline that make them seem longer.) Although the torso piece is one of the thicker, spaced-out pieces of this design, the fact that it's still going to be externally shaped to accommodate breasts suggests a hefty endowment on the otherwise thin frame. It's a body shape that Sharon Stone would've failed to match. Sorry to say, the overall effect puts me in mind of a different plastic toy.
And we're talking about people who've been genetically modified and roided up to become enormously strong, barely-human super-soldiers. You don't want Arnold Schwarzenegger, and that's fair enough, but I dunno if supermodel+ is entirely appropriate either!
Putting aside overidealised anatomy: with real-life plate armour and it's necessary padding, body shape is obscured and there's little apparent difference between the sexes. I'd say the same would be more true of powered armour.
It's your project to do what you like, and you've already put a lot of work into it, so I don't want to stop you. But I'd say that a bit more subtlety in the design wouldn't kill it it dead, either.
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2017/02/28 17:01:22
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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...So, why are these supposedly competent super-soldiers wearing -OMITTED- high heels in battle? Also, the knee is far too slim on that armor. I don't believe a human leg could actually fit in there. Do you have a front view of the model?
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2017/02/28 18:14:39
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Norn Queen
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I also really dislike the heels.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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2017/02/28 21:31:29
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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Could you repost the image from the front? Your current link seems broken
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2017/02/28 22:18:57
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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So going the heels and boob armor route, eh?
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-James
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2017/02/28 22:21:03
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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From the side it looks very disproportional.
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2017/03/01 07:28:31
Subject: Re:Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Heels are going away, the images are some early concepts.
I will try to post more images soon. Once I get the shape, look size of what I want will be posting more images. The backpack sketch is done.
Once posed and printed I am sure it will look different.
But I need a name for the chapter and a possible icon or symbol. Any idea?
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2017/03/01 08:05:45
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Ship's Officer
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Chapter name- Rainbow warriors, doh, already taken; how about goo goo dolls, chapter master pussy galore, battlecry- cum and get it!
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2017/03/01 08:15:03
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Bryan Ansell
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Hips, Shoulders, Stomach and internal organs + musculature. You may need to factor these things into your armour design.
Not the worst I have seen though.
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2017/03/01 09:29:52
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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@femmemarine Well, you can take some inspiration from mythology. Emperor's Valkyries? Andraste's Chosen? You can go the generic route: chapter names like "Salamanders" don't exactly scream "we are all males". Once you pick up a name, a symbol should be easy to figure out.
Big Mac wrote:Chapter name- Rainbow warriors, doh, already taken; how about goo goo dolls, chapter master pussy galore, battlecry- cum and get it!
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill |
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2017/03/01 10:17:37
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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TheDraconicLord wrote:@femmemarine Well, you can take some inspiration from mythology. Emperor's Valkyries? Andraste's Chosen? You can go the generic route: chapter names like "Salamanders" don't exactly scream "we are all males". Once you pick up a name, a symbol should be easy to figure out.
Big Mac wrote:Chapter name- Rainbow warriors, doh, already taken; how about goo goo dolls, chapter master pussy galore, battlecry- cum and get it!
Thanks that is some good hint. The word Valkyries is a good base.
Maybe Venusian Valkyries Automatically Appended Next Post: Some more advanced images
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2017/03/02 20:30:06
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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Just got the first model positioned
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2017/03/02 20:58:42
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Splattered With Acrylic Paint
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Good job looking good, I'm waiting for the first real mini's
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2017/03/02 21:02:28
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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I really like the looks of the hex boltgun
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2017/03/03 03:12:58
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Overall I like it a lot! I'm personally not a fan of the helmet design (though it is well rendered) and the legs looks a little weird (I think the knees and feet are a bit off) but I do like it!
... Even if female space marines are heresy.
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2017/03/03 04:08:54
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Dakka Veteran
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I think the mouth part on the helmet needs to be worked on a bit, looks weird, the handle on the gun needs to be a bit thinner in order for the hand to grip it tighter, other than that looking good so far. P.s a slight butt crack probably won't hurt either.
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2017/03/03 09:01:05
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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KINGPIN54 wrote:I think the mouth part on the helmet needs to be worked on a bit, looks weird, the handle on the gun needs to be a bit thinner in order for the hand to grip it tighter, other than that looking good so far. P.s a slight butt crack probably won't hurt either.
KINGPIN54 you are correct thanks, looking back at the sketches you are correct.
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2017/03/03 09:44:28
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ohhh, I see you got a symbol already too! Nice one!
Yeah, I agree with KINGPIN54, the mouth-piece looks really weird.
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill |
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2017/03/03 11:05:50
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman
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Looking good! Hopefully final product will be as good as the design.
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2017/03/03 11:09:14
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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I will get a lower quality model printed hopefully in the next 7 to 10 days.
I will thean have an actual model to compare to other. If the scale is ok then I can start making the other models to complete the chapter.
Looking to get about 100 different models done. Heavier armors are coming next with first characters.
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2017/03/03 15:34:46
Subject: Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Pulsating Possessed Chaos Marine
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I agree with the mouth piece. maybe close off the vent and make it straight line up similar to grey knights would look pretty good.
If people threw money at you would you make them a squad?
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2017/03/03 18:53:56
Subject: Femmemarines Project - Personal project seeking opinions
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Fireknife Shas'el
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Mr. Burning wrote:Hips, Shoulders, Stomach and internal organs + musculature. You may need to factor these things into your armour design.
Not the worst I have seen though.
I'll second this. Given the armor design, only a skeleton can fit inside. This is a robot, not a human being in powered armor.
You've got good rendering skills, but the anatomy needs improvement - not that the same criticism couldn't be leveled at GW at times, but GW designs for the practicalities of casting miniatures over anything else.
Also, the gun handle is too large for the figure's hand, it looks like they're barely hanging on to it.
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2017/03/06 09:26:22
Subject: Re:Venus Valkyries Project - Personal project (from design to casting) seeking opinions and help
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Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries
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I need a color scheme? Purole, Red or Black... any option?
A quick flat coloring:
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