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Okay, I am looking to work on an Apothecarion unit. I want them to be Pavoni, because you know, they were the experts in healing and what not.

What happens with the Quickblood rule when a Pavoni character joins a unit with a different cult?
For arguments sake lets say I attach him to a 20 man Corvidae tactical squad? If the tacticals win in an assault and force a retreat, do they get the +1 to their sweeping advance?

I don't think its quite cut'n'dry but I imagine I am going to get asked what would happen here when I play.

Would probably play it as the quickblood rule applies to the apothecary only. Quite advantageous in some situations

I would assume the sweep bonus would work, but not the run bonus. Or the run bonus would also work but only for letting you move him an extra inch. The sweep should apply to the whole unit I would think.

We don't know for now. You can assume it's only for the models with the rule.

It will only ever apply to the models with the rule. So a tac squad without the rule but with an apothecary means that if they run the apothecary gets to move an extra inch and if they sweeping advance you would add one to the total as the apothecary can still sweep.

+1 to sweep works exactly the same as when you have a high init character in a unit. The only thing out of the Arcana that transfers is the AdWill from Athenans (the +1 sweep is still technically limited to the apoth, but he is used since he's the highest/equal highest in the squad unless Magnus is there with his I6 or someone with Warp Speed active) because it specifically says in the rulesbook that AdWill is one of the handful of rules that confers to the unit.

Okay so from what has been mentioned, I can see a general consensus that the sweep bonus is non conferring. So in a practical setting you would utilise the bonus if the apothecary lives through the assault, *despite* the fact that its not an initiative bonus. (This of course assuming that the apothecary is the same initiative as everyone else and there isnt a Praetor, Consul or Primarch in the unit)

Have I extrapolated that correctly?

Freakish1987 wrote:
Okay so from what has been mentioned, I can see a general consensus that the sweep bonus is non conferring. So in a practical setting you would utilise the bonus if the apothecary lives through the assault, *despite* the fact that its not an initiative bonus. (This of course assuming that the apothecary is the same initiative as everyone else and there isnt a Praetor, Consul or Primarch in the unit)

Have I extrapolated that correctly?

Correct.

 Drasius wrote:
+1 to sweep works exactly the same as when you have a high init character in a unit. The only thing out of the Arcana that transfers is the AdWill from Athenans (the +1 sweep is still technically limited to the apoth, but he is used since he's the highest/equal highest in the squad unless Magnus is there with his I6 or someone with Warp Speed active) because it specifically says in the rulesbook that AdWill is one of the handful of rules that confers to the unit.

What about the "immune to fear" from the Athenean cult? If an IC from Atheneans is in another unit, do they have to test for fear?

My read is that the Athenean doesn't test, but the rest of the squad does, though that one is open to debate since fearless confers, but immune to fear isn't fearless, so YMMV.

 Drasius wrote:
My read is that the Athenean doesn't test, but the rest of the squad does, though that one is open to debate since fearless confers, but immune to fear isn't fearless, so YMMV.

I had a read of Fear and Characteristic checks in the BRB and the Cult Arcana section of the 1k sons rules, and think it actually might do (in certain circumstances).

So Fear is the unit has to take an LD check - the characteristics check section states that when doing a char check, you have to use the model with highest of that characteristic in the unit. So assuming the Athenean character has = highest LD in the unit, you select him to take the test, and then his rule kicks in to autopass? Seems a bit weird, especially as if they were LD9 and autopassed but you had an LD10 char in there, you have to take it on the LD10 - but akin to the sweeping advance scenario discussed above.

Actually, you choose what us your best, just like in saves.

A ld9 rerollable beats ld10 just like 4+ rerollable cover is better than 3+ armor and you can choose to use it.

So your "best value" is auto pass with an antenna in your squad.

That's an interesting fact. Worth noting.
The Athenean doesn't auto pass fear checks, it is immune to it.

I would probably play it as take fear check as normal but all Atheneans do not apply the negative effects.

Immune to it? Does game terminology even cover immune?

What's the exact wording of athenean mind you? Don't have an inferno yet.

Mental Fortitude
Units with this special rule are immune to fear and have the Adamantium will special rule.

Humm. This wording makes me feel that the unit rolls normally, and on a fail any athenean ignores the penalty, while anyone who isn't is effected.

Or it could be "immune to fear" is FW's goofy way of saying Fearless. They no know words good.