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Do you think that 30k marines will be eventually scaled up to match the new large-marines over time?

The scaled up marines are a new enhanced form, that has appeared only in 40k. In 30k we have regular Astartes, so the scaling up would have no sence, since there were no primaris marines back in the olden days.

While I agree with the lore sentiment, the Largestartes seem like the beginning to an overall increase in the scale of ALL marines.

No, or at least not for a long time.

1) GW (Citadel) have invested a huge amount of time and money in 'normal' sized marine moulds for MK3 and MK4 marines.
FW have also invested a large amount into sculpting and making moulds for 'normal' marines and 'standard' scale vehicles.
They aren't going to make those moulds redundant anytime soon. Especially once the moulds have made thier startup costs back and then the models are being sold for essentially pure profit.

2) 30k is intended as a seperate game, that uses the 40k core rules, so there is little reason to change the scale of the models now.

I believe we'll see a gradual movement to total giant marines in 40k but 30k will remain at this size.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
No, or at least not for a long time.

1) GW (Citadel) have invested a huge amount of time and money in 'normal' sized marine moulds for MK3 and MK4 marines.
FW have also invested a large amount into sculpting and making moulds for 'normal' marines and 'standard' scale vehicles.
They aren't going to make those moulds redundant anytime soon. Especially once the moulds have made thier startup costs back and then the models are being sold for essentially pure profit.

2) 30k is intended as a seperate game, that uses the 40k core rules, so there is little reason to change the scale of the models now.

While I want to agree with you, GW have a history of bringing out great new models only to stop producing them not long after. Tomb Kings had some sweet models that just disappeared one day.

Well, it makes sense from a fluff perspective that the Legions from 10,000 (30K) years ago would look different from modern (40K) Space Marines. For the longest time, the Imperium has existed on the tech from the Horus Heresy. Nothing new has really been invented in those 10,000 years- just refinements and rediscoveries of old tech. 40K is supposed to be Grim Dark, with 10,000 year old technology- a kind of Dark Age. Just like the Dark Ages in our own timeline, science was eventually rediscovered and new tech made. It didn't happen overnight, but over a long time. 30K is the past, and should have a different aesthetic.

From a business stand point, GW did invest a lot of money into making MK III and MK IV Space Marines, Cata and Tar Termys, but left all the specialized stuff to Forge World (where resin molds are cheap and easy to make). Maybe, eventually, like 10+ years from now when 12th edition rolls out, we'll see the last of those old Marines stop being made, with newer, larger true scale Marines being the norm. It's going to take a while though. When GW converted Termys from metal to plastic, GW said "You can play with your old metal, but here are the new and improved plastic!" You would be hard pressed to find anyone using an old metal Terminator compared to the plastic ones. Exception: That old Neck Beard that still talks about Rogue Trader and how great it was... For a while there, it just looked funny seeing metal terminators next to their larger plastic MK XII Space Marines and even larger plastic Terminators. I'm pretty sure that's what's going to eventually happen here. The new Marines will gradually move in, supplement, and then take over, Space Marines.

GW watches what sells very carefully, and when it doesn't sell, GW is not afraid to cut the line, or introduce some new unit or rules to make you want to buy more of that poorly selling unit. I'm sure GW is totally scratching it's head over Sisters of Battle.

For the Tomb Kings- That was probably a mistake. If you look at AoS, all the old armies got "place holder rules", and as AoS has moved forward, many of those old armies have been replaced with new armies- Sylenventh, Sigmarites, Fyreslayes, Kharadron, Ironjawz, Deamons... something was probably planned for all the Death Armies (Vampires, Tomb Kings), but with the way AoS started out, and poor sales until the General's Hand Book came out, Death got lost or left behind. So all the Death stuff started to get phased out with an expected replacement that... never came. Don't worry- Tomb Kings are in the same boat as Empire, Dark Elves, High Elves, Wood Elves, Orcs, Goblins, etc. etc. All the "old" armies are losing models all the time. It kinda sucks that 40K 8th edition is coming out this year along with the Generals Handbook II for AoS. I'm sure the rest of the year will be dominated by 40K, and we'll have to wait a long, long time for any more progress on AoS.

Pancakey wrote:

DaemonJellybaby wrote:
No, or at least not for a long time.

1) GW (Citadel) have invested a huge amount of time and money in 'normal' sized marine moulds for MK3 and MK4 marines.
FW have also invested a large amount into sculpting and making moulds for 'normal' marines and 'standard' scale vehicles.
They aren't going to make those moulds redundant anytime soon. Especially once the moulds have made thier startup costs back and then the models are being sold for essentially pure profit.

2) 30k is intended as a seperate game, that uses the 40k core rules, so there is little reason to change the scale of the models now.

While I want to agree with you, GW have a history of bringing out great new models only to stop producing them not long after. Tomb Kings had some sweet models that just disappeared one day.

And those models have already paid for themselves and lot more. Give it year or two and profit from them is really a trickle. Models sells vast majority of their lifetime sales in first few months.

tneva82 wrote:
And those models have already paid for themselves and lot more. Give it year or two and profit from them is really a trickle. Models sells vast majority of their lifetime sales in first few months.

But we are now seeing resin upgrade kits intended for the plastics rather than full resins. See the Khenetai Blades and the Sekmet Terminators as prime examples.
Its in FW's interests to not make common infantry parts in resin, its time consuming and expensive, especially when that time and money could be used to make other things.
In fact, the majority of FW's product line is modification packs for plastic kits.

Regarding scrapping fairly new models, GW are also famous for keeping kits alive well past thier due date, the Eldar aspect warriors are incredibly old.
There are other examples as well, the Rhino and the Land Raider chassis are from around 2002.

The models look pretty awesome, would be fairly easy to convert to MK4/5, with some work they could even make MK2 or 3 as well.

DaemonJellybaby wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
And those models have already paid for themselves and lot more. Give it year or two and profit from them is really a trickle. Models sells vast majority of their lifetime sales in first few months.

But we are now seeing resin upgrade kits intended for the plastics rather than full resins. See the Khenetai Blades and the Sekmet Terminators as prime examples.
Its in FW's interests to not make common infantry parts in resin, its time consuming and expensive, especially when that time and money could be used to make other things.
In fact, the majority of FW's product line is modification packs for plastic kits.

Regarding scrapping fairly new models, GW are also famous for keeping kits alive well past thier due date, the Eldar aspect warriors are incredibly old.
There are other examples as well, the Rhino and the Land Raider chassis are from around 2002.

True that but then again it's not like they will drop those _the moment 8th hit_.

And unlike plastic resin moulds are cheap as hell. They probably could drop them _now_ and the parts would have been profitable already. In few years if they drop those...

Also seems not all parts are incompatible with numarines. Mainly torso and legs. Heads and shoulder pads are already confirmed to be interchangeable.