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So we're all aware there is likely to be a host of the primarchs return.
My local GW employee said it was mortarion next as they're doing a big death guard thing in 8th (don't take that as a 100% thing though).

So my history of the primarchs is a bit hazy I don't really remember all of them but which are alive/dead and which do you think will make a comeback?

The ones I know about are:
Guilliman and Magnus obviously.
The Lion who is alive in a coma in the rock - likely to come back at some point.
Leman Russ who went off somewhere and might be alive - likely to come back at some point.
Sanguinus who was/is dead - possibly will come back at some point.
Dorn who is dead (the fists have his literal fists in a display case) - unlikely to come back.
Ferrus who died when fighting Fulgrim - unlikely to come back.
Vulkan who was injured - might come back.
Horus who was mortally injured by the big E - might come back.

That's the limit of my knowledge.

 Boniface wrote:
The Lion who is alive in a coma in the rock - likely to come back at some point.
Leman Russ who went off somewhere and might be alive - likely to come back at some point.

Agree on both of these.

 Boniface wrote:
Vulkan who was injured - might come back.

As a Primarch, it really depends on the injury, but if they managed to find an excuse for Rowboat to come back, I'm sure his apparent injury will be no problem. Plus if the idea of 'Perpetuals' is kept and made cannon once more, then this apparent injury will mean nothing to Vulkan - He will come back.

 Boniface wrote:
Horus who was mortally injured by the big E - might come back.

Horus wasn't mortally injured, he was completely destroyed body and soul. He is absolutely not coming back.

 Boniface wrote:
Ferrus who died when fighting Fulgrim - unlikely to come back.

I'd say Ferrus is also a firm No. It's pretty hard to come back when you have no head and have been dead for 10,000 years...

 Boniface wrote:
Sanguinus who was/is dead - possibly will come back at some point.

Sangunius is - again - also a firm No. Like Ferrus, it's pretty hard to come back when you have been dead for 10,000 years...

 Boniface wrote:
Dorn who is dead (the fists have his literal fists in a display case) - unlikely to come back.

I can't remember where I head it or read it, but this is not necessarily the case. Depending on what GW want to confirm, his status is either unconfirmed (with only a select few non-vital parts of him like his hand being recovered) or he is dead. If GW go with the former, then there is every possibility and likelihood that he will (eventually) come back.

Dead - Horus, Curze, Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus (also 2 Primarchs we never met)

Alive - everyone else (as far as we know).

Poly Ranger wrote:
Dead - Horus, Curze, Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus (also 2 Primarchs we never met)

Alive - everyone else (as far as we know).

And of course GW can retconn(and indeed seems they are retconning HH somehow) enough that anybody can come back. Of course it means changing it dramatically which might not be up to tastes for everybody. For me GW has been doing lots of stuff to destroy what I loved about 40k background in the first place which is why I ignore new fluff all together.

Horus is perma dead. Curze, Alpharius, Sanguinius, and Ferrus are dead but could possibly come back as they didn't have their souls erased. Plus a psychic impression of ghostly Ferrus makes an appearance in Master of Mankind and Sangiunius has been hinted at a resurrection in seemingly every Blood Angel novel. Including the latest one, Dante.

After Girlyman I wouldn't be surprised at anyone coming back.

Rogal Dorn coming back would be amazing.

Sanguinius has been dead for 10,000 years but he has been held in stasis that entire time. His body has not decayed as a result, and he is at least a few hours, to at most a few days dead.

Geneseed was collected from his body post-mortem at some point, to rebuild the Blood Angels after being all but destroyed in the Battle of Terra (Creating the Black Rage inadvertently), but his body was placed into stasis, transported back to Baal and interned into stasis beneath the Fortress Monastery of the Blood Angels.

Considering Yvraine brought back a Thousand Sons Rubric Marine from literal dust and bones to living breathing Astartes (right before killing said Rubric marine again) It seems she would be more than capable of restoring Sanguinius to life, if given access to his body by the Blood Angels.

Just speculation on my part, but it is entirely plausible and not breaking with current established fluff or the ongoing new story line predicate with Gathering Storm & Rise of the Primarch.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

As a space vampire, I am going to be in some ways disappointed if Sanguinius does not come back some how.

As I recall the BA apothecaries exsanguinated him after his death (and now carry his blood through their own veins?). You know what they say about space vampires? They are only a little spill of a little space blood in the wrong space time and place from returning.

If he doesn't stay dead (which I would prefer, even if it would be disappointing), I'd rather he returns due to some vampire shenanigans than Eldar witchery.

I think the idea that Sanguinius or Ferrus is coming back is just wishful thinking, yes writers have let little hints that they might somehow return for a long time now but that means nothing: it's just a writing technique that means people can make theories and speculate and the writers could come back to add more on if needed.
I personally would be ecstatic if Curze was to return but I know he won't because the "transmission cut off before he was killed" thing was only their to create suspense, intrigue, etc.

I wish they'd prove me wrong but I doubt it.

(Also, 2000 posts. Here's to another thousand posts!)

 mrhappyface wrote:
I think the idea that Sanguinius or Ferrus is coming back is just wishful thinking, yes writers have let little hints that they might somehow return for a long time now but that means nothing: it's just a writing technique that means people can make theories and speculate and the writers could come back to add more on if needed.

Alas GW has decided otherwise. Guillimann wasn\t supposed to come back either with plot hooks for theories and players stories.

I hope the dead primarchs stay dead. Death losses all meaning if you go full dc comics and ressurect everyone at all times. 40k wouldn't be even nearly as grimdark if death was irrelevant.



That being said I can see Dorn comming back. Because the details of his death are hazy at beat. It's been long suspected by many that he actually retired to run the Custodes. The theory has been floating around for a long time that he didn't want a part in the new Imperium and so decided to watch over his father instead.

Furthermore I'd like to see some more Primarchs falling. Have Jaghati Khan actually be an ally of commoragath fighting against the Imperium. Have Leman russ get corrupted by chaos or fully transform into a wulfen. The whole point of the HH is that primarchs are not beyond being corrupted, why should the "survivors" be any diffrent?

Before the Emperor dying story gets retconned, all Primarchs can be brought back in one form or another, except Horus.

 Nerak wrote:
The whole point of the HH is that primarchs are not beyond being corrupted, why should the "survivors" be any diffrent?

'cause that way GW would have less big boyz to sell to imperial fans.

I'm gonna make a prediction ladies and gents. we will see 8 Primarch Minis. in the immediate (like the next yearand a half) future. these primarchs WELL BE...

Magnus,
Gulliman
Mortarian
Lemen Russ
Angron,
The Lion
Fulgrim
Sanguinis.

Why? simple, because at the end of the day they will want to bring up a demon prince for each chaos god, and they will want to give each of the "big 4" loyalist chapters a Primarch.

Lion El'Johnson - Asleep in the Rock

II - absolutely no information except he dissappeared between the launch of the Great Crusade and the first HH novel

Fulgrim - Daemon Primarch of Slaanesh, hence immortal

Perturabo - Daemon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, hence immortal

Jaghatai Khan - Sucked into the Warp/Lost in transit, status unknown

Leman Russ - Ventured in the Eye of Terror, currently MIA

Rogal Dorn - MIA, presumed dead, his hand was found and that's it

Konrad Kurze - Willingly assassinated, dead

Sanguinius - Killed by Horus, dead

Ferrus Manus - decapitated by Fulgrim, dead

XI - absolutely no information except he dissappeared between the launch of the Great Crusade and the first HH novel

Angron - Daemon Primarch of Khorne, hence immortal. First War for Armageddon and rumoured to be going there again

Roboute Guilliman - Throat cut by Fulgrim, put in stasis, allowed to die and revived by the Avatar of Ynnead, now Lord Commander of the Imperium

Mortarion - Daemon Primarch of Nurgle, hence immortal. Fought against the GK in late M41, killed the Supreme Grand Master and got Draigo promoted to SGM, who promptly killed him and carved Geronitan's name into Mortarian's heart.

Magnus the Red - Daemon Primarch of Tzeetch, hence immortal. Recently besieged the Imperium once more.

Horus the Warmaster - Had his soul obliterated by the Emperor. Deader and than deader than dead. He's not even floating around in 40k Heaven or Hell, he's literally removed entirely from existance.

Lorgar Aurelian - Daemon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, hence immortal

Vulkan - Perpetual, therefore he respawns upon death. Currently emtombed within a coffin known as The Unbound Flame, waiting a prophecy to return.

Corvus Corax - Went into the Eye of Terror, never seen again.

Alpharius Omegon/Alpharius AND Omegon/Alpharius OR Omegon - Could be dead by Guilliman's hand, could not be dead, could be me, could be your best friend. He could be you. Who the feth knows really.

That's a very good list, exalted. Figured I'd add a few things and rumours/speculations on primarch locations. Eh, what the hell. Threw in some trivia for good meassure.

Corvus Corax: emotionally crippled after his gene experiments. Said he was going to the EoT but no one knows for sure. Given his stealth profeciensy he could have slipped in unnoticed.

Jaghati Khan: last recorded charging into the webway (or has this been retconned?)

Rumours:
A figure matching the description of a Primarch and/or wearing primarch armour was seen fighting in the arenas of commoragath.

The collector Necron lord (forgot his name) has a suit of primarch armour. Whenever it houses a Primarch in stasis or is just an armour piece is unconfirmed.

At one point in M36 (if I remmember correctly) when things where looking bad for the IoM four heroes with uncanny resemblances to the primarchs arose in the Imperium, one in each Segmentum. They lead the Imperium into a series of victories and a golden age, and then abruptly vanished again.

Cypher is presumably the only one to know the locations of the Lion

Trivia:
Horus was cloned by Fabius bile. The clone was killed by Abaddon.

Angron has a bodyguard of 8 bloodthirster greater deamons. He's probably the Primarch with the oldest set of rules, dating back since 3d ed.

Konrad Kurze died without attaining deamonhood. He allowed himself to be killed by a Callidus assasin because he wanted to stick it to the Emperor (a great story actually)

 Deadshot wrote:


Alpharius .

Killed by Rogal Dorn

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Alpharius .

Killed by Rogal Dorn

But wasn't that just Omegon dressed up as Dorn?

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Alpharius .

Killed by Rogal Dorn

mrhappyface wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


Alpharius .

Killed by Rogal Dorn

But wasn't that just Omegon dressed up as Dorn?

Accoring to Lexicanum there was bodyswapping, crossdressing, stolen identity, assuming identity, and the usual I Am Alpharius bullgakery going on

 IllumiNini wrote:

 Boniface wrote:
The Lion who is alive in a coma in the rock - likely to come back at some point.
Leman Russ who went off somewhere and might be alive - likely to come back at some point.

Agree on both of these.

 Boniface wrote:
Vulkan who was injured - might come back.

As a Primarch, it really depends on the injury, but if they managed to find an excuse for Rowboat to come back, I'm sure his apparent injury will be no problem. Plus if the idea of 'Perpetuals' is kept and made cannon once more, then this apparent injury will mean nothing to Vulkan - He will come back.

 Boniface wrote:
Horus who was mortally injured by the big E - might come back.

Horus wasn't mortally injured, he was completely destroyed body and soul. He is absolutely not coming back.

 Boniface wrote:
Ferrus who died when fighting Fulgrim - unlikely to come back.

I'd say Ferrus is also a firm No. It's pretty hard to come back when you have no head and have been dead for 10,000 years...

 Boniface wrote:
Sanguinus who was/is dead - possibly will come back at some point.

Sangunius is - again - also a firm No. Like Ferrus, it's pretty hard to come back when you have been dead for 10,000 years...

 Boniface wrote:
Dorn who is dead (the fists have his literal fists in a display case) - unlikely to come back.

I can't remember where I head it or read it, but this is not necessarily the case. Depending on what GW want to confirm, his status is either unconfirmed (with only a select few non-vital parts of him like his hand being recovered) or he is dead. If GW go with the former, then there is every possibility and likelihood that he will (eventually) come back.

The perpetuals are as canon as they come. There are entire RECENT Black Library novels that exist solely to highlight the perpetuals, Vulkan key among them.

 Nerak wrote:
I hope the dead primarchs stay dead. Death losses all meaning if you go full dc comics and ressurect everyone at all times. 40k wouldn't be even nearly as grimdark if death was irrelevant.

Spoiler:

That being said I can see Dorn comming back. Because the details of his death are hazy at beat. It's been long suspected by many that he actually retired to run the Custodes. The theory has been floating around for a long time that he didn't want a part in the new Imperium and so decided to watch over his father instead.

Furthermore I'd like to see some more Primarchs falling. Have Jaghati Khan actually be an ally of commoragath fighting against the Imperium. Have Leman russ get corrupted by chaos or fully transform into a wulfen. The whole point of the HH is that primarchs are not beyond being corrupted, why should the "survivors" be any diffrent?

I think that it would be silly if more Primarchs fall to chaos. The horrors of Chaos is now well known compared to the Horus Heresy, as well as the nature of the Chaos gods.

Plus half the primarchs have already fallen to Chaos. It just seems silly to me if more would fall knowing what we know.

I feel that too many people equate going rogue with going to chaos. The choice isn't just Imperium or Chaos.

Should all be dead. Should have just used 30K setting to push new models and sales. There's just too many questions/too many plot conveniences that cause head-scratching otherwise.

Just my opinion.

Guess I am posting it again:

This is a repost of something I posted on 4chan back in February:

My justification for all Primarchs except Horus coming back

Here we go:
Lion: In statis, can be brought back without much effort storywise

Fulgrim: Demon Primarch

Perturabo: Demon Primarch

Jaghatai Khan: Never confirmed dead

Leman Russ: in the Warp, will probably come back with a terrible wulfen style model for the "Wolf days" or whatever they call the end times of the wolves.

Dorn: Only found his hand, return of the yellow Cyborg, and his rivalry with Rowboat Girlyman incoming

Curze: Hints of his chaos taint in the Soul Hunter trilogy, (yes that was me spamming that on 4chan), he could return as a Demon Primarch. He wouldn't be the first to die, and then come back as a demon prince (looking at you Grulgor)

Sanguinius: return of his personality through the Sanguinor (his body is well destroyed)

Ferrus: Return of the "Headless Horseman" on a bike, yes please. There is alot of ambiguity around his head in the HH series, and there was a bunch of cloning going on by Fulgrim.

Angron: Demon Primarch

Girlyman: Already back

Mortarion: Demon Primarch

Horus: Replaced by Demon Abaddon maybe

Lorgar: Demon Prince well overdue to return

Vulkin: never confirmed dead

Corax: Never confirmed dead

Alparius/Omegon: Please don't make me meme

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm gonna make a prediction ladies and gents. we will see 8 Primarch Minis. in the immediate (like the next yearand a half) future. these primarchs WELL BE...

Magnus,
Gulliman
Mortarian
Lemen Russ
Angron,
The Lion
Fulgrim
Sanguinis.

Why? simple, because at the end of the day they will want to bring up a demon prince for each chaos god, and they will want to give each of the "big 4" loyalist chapters a Primarch.

That seems about right to me.

Regarding Sanguinus, if he's gonna come back I'd rather it be in spirit rather than body - perhaps some form of angelic apotheosis via his shared blood like the BA are known for. It'd be nice if they didn't feel the need to be symmetrical in how the Primarchs return. But resurrecting his actual body space vampire style might work, I guess.

Not having his arm isn't a impediment for Rogal Dorn to come back...

They have to bring Vulkan back. He's a perpetual for crying out loud and isn't it him in Trayzn's vault?

But I think the Big Four will definitely be back Russ, Sanguinus, the Lion and we already know Girlyman. The Lion is just waiting to wake up.

Guilliman and Magnus obviously. yep
The Lion who is alive in a coma in the rock - likely to come back at some point. yep
Leman Russ who went off somewhere and might be alive - likely to come back at some point. yep
Sanguinus who was/is dead - possibly will come back at some point. probably a resurection new host from his soul warp nonsense
Dorn who is dead (the fists have his literal fists in a display case) - unlikely to come back. why? its only his fist. id like to think he might come back with some bad ass replacement super power fist
Ferrus who died when fighting Fulgrim - unlikely to come back. not sure how to get him back
Vulkan who was injured - might come back. yep
Horus who was mortally injured by the big E - might come back. his soul was completely disintegrated how so?

oh what happened to khan

theocracity wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm gonna make a prediction ladies and gents. we will see 8 Primarch Minis. in the immediate (like the next yearand a half) future. these primarchs WELL BE...

Magnus,
Gulliman
Mortarian
Lemen Russ
Angron,
The Lion
Fulgrim
Sanguinis.

Why? simple, because at the end of the day they will want to bring up a demon prince for each chaos god, and they will want to give each of the "big 4" loyalist chapters a Primarch.

That seems about right to me.

Regarding Sanguinus, if he's gonna come back I'd rather it be in spirit rather than body - perhaps some form of angelic apotheosis via his shared blood like the BA are known for. It'd be nice if they didn't feel the need to be symmetrical in how the Primarchs return. But resurrecting his actual body space vampire style might work, I guess.

yeah, bringing Sanguinis back will require some good writing to make it good. but yeah, when it comes to the primarchs coming out I'm trying to think like a marketer as much as anything else. I think Russ, the Lion and Sanguinis would be the most popular (and most well selling) loyalist primarchs. and be good "center peices" for the marine varient armies.

With a Galaxy split..

I kinda want Sagnius back for a kind of balance.. having at least 1 Primarch on each side of the divide..

But yes would require some very good writing to bring him back