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I wished to share imprssions on the new box. Because overhaul I am very satisfied and a bit disapointed at the same time.
Rules seems great and the hard cover bible is great newsm but I want to focus on the models:

Primaris Space Marines:
+ they are very dynamic
+ weapons are awesome
+ naked heads are fantastic
- helmets are not my taste and not diverse enough
- maybe not very diverse in general... Maybe it fit with the idea of more standardized production of space marines ??? But it put a bit away from the idea of knight in space
- captain in gravis armour is kind of a fail (very shaby pose)
- 'assault' space marines are the biggest disappointment, make me think about centurion, that flying suit to the legs make them look very static. I think I hate anything about them

Death guard:
+ very cool overall
+ nice pose and diversity of the plague marines
+ pox walker
+ lord of contagion and noxious blightbringer are top
- a bit too cartonish (maybe)... Surely hard to apply the fine details of guts and gore to a plastic model
- bloat drone... But I understand one can love it... But to me it just looks... bloat
- malignant plaguecaster. I think with a bit of conversion it can turn in a great mini but as is it look more funny and goofy than anything else

Do one know if they are multipart kit or easy-fit?

I am very interested in other opinions

DG models look awesome. A lifetime to paint well but kool models for sure IMHO. Numarines are growing on me. I like the idea more and more but a tall marine is a marine and I have enough of those.

I actually hate every Nurgle model besides the Plague Marine with the stick grenade. They look way too cartoonish.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I actually hate every Nurgle model besides the Plague Marine with the stick grenade. They look way too cartoonish.

Hmmm... I think that I like that about them. Makes the rottenness easier to stomach maybe...

To both Jeff white and Tactical Spam: I think I could buy the box for the Death Guard and the book, while the primaris do not motivate my to step in for 95 pounds. To illustrate this I was seriously thinking about buying the box and selling the space marines. This is a thing I should never have think about before.

 reluxor wrote:
To both Jeff white and Tactical Spam: I think I could buy the box for the Death Guard and the book, while the primaris do not motivate my to step in for 95 pounds. To illustrate this I was seriously thinking about buying the box and selling the space marines. This is a thing I should never have think about before.

I am with you on this one. And if someone wanted to split a box with me like that then I would be all for it.

SM-

+ Like the looks of the new armor.
+ The weapons look awesome
- Bigger size is stupid. The size variance between new models an old are going to look odd.
- Jetpack dudes look constipated. Seriously....imagine a toilet behind them.

DG-

+ They are all unique.
+ Poxwalkers will be cool to mix with the cultists/zombies just for variety.
+ The big axe character looks awesome!
+ Blight Drone. Looks cool, and its NEW. CSM get something new. Thats a huge plus.
- Way too cartoony.
- Having more than one squad of the Plague Marines and STILL look different will be hard.
- The old Plague Marines, and the FW conversion kits look better than the new models (IMO).
- Too over the top, not enough "grit" look.

 jeff white wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I actually hate every Nurgle model besides the Plague Marine with the stick grenade. They look way too cartoonish.

Hmmm... I think that I like that about them. Makes the rottenness easier to stomach maybe...

So getting hit with an ugly stick suddenly makes Plague Marines less ugly?

I like all of them! I hope to get two starter sets for myself once I can afford it. I think 8th edition will be an age of Plague and Primaris Marines for me.

I have been wanting to try a different color scheme for my Marines, and the Primaris Marines are a perfect opportunity to put together a growing army over time. Death Guard have also been on my list of projects since late 5th edition, and now is my chance!

I can see why some folks are complaining about the aesthetics of the models, but I think they look good enough. Besides, seeing them in person and in some color scheme other than Ultramarines or the GW studio's Plague Marines look may help give a better feel for the models.

Vaxx wrote:

- The old Plague Marines, and the FW conversion kits look better than the new models (IMO).
- Too over the top, not enough "grit" look.

I thought I was the only one.

I'm pretty sure they look cartoonish and not enough "grit" because of the clean paintjob. Just compare the official paintjob of the Plague marines in the GW store with this new one.
The classic Plague Marines look like they have put a Sepia filter with Photoshop on top of the paint job, they look super "grit"

Personally I love the models. And thats something to say because Nurgle has always been my least favourite lookin Chaos army. And is something that I hate, because normally I love the desings of their helmets (Like the Fly-like eyes in both fantasy and 40k) armours and weapons, but the fat and bloated thing hasn't never been something that I liked.
But this new bach of Nurgle marines? They have convinced me to do a Nurgle force. Like the Chaos Lord. I lLOVE the model. Besides how his belly is open and his gut falling to the ground. But the rest is so awesome that I can totally ignore that.
So I can totally understand why they don't look as good to people that prefer more the old look.

Personally I don't like many of FW desings besides the Krieg range one. They look to much "reasonable" and more generic sci-fi to me. They don't look as gothic, exagerated and barroqe as 40k aesthetic is.
One example is the FW exorcist vs the GW exorcist. To some the GW one is "absurd and goofy looking". To me is more Warhammer.

 Galas wrote:
I'm pretty sure they look cartoonish and not enough "grit" because of the clean paintjob. Just compare the official paintjob of the Plague marines in the GW store with this new one.
The classic Plague Marines look like they have put a Sepia filter with Photoshop on top of the paint job, they look super "grit"

Personally I love the models. And thats something to say because Nurgle has always been my least favourite lookin Chaos army. And is something that I hate, because normally I love the desings of their helmets (Like the Fly-like eyes in both fantasy and 40k) armours and weapons, but the fat and bloated thing hasn't never been something that I liked.
But this new bach of Nurgle marines? They have convinced me to do a Nurgle force. Like the Chaos Lord. I lLOVE the model. Besides how his belly is open and his gut falling to the ground. But the rest is so awesome that I can totally ignore that.
So I can totally understand why they don't look as good to people that prefer more the old look.

The models are far from being bad: is just that the proportions are more cartoonish and and all the added elements are just too much. Is perfect to have few more tentacles and bells but the models are over-designed IMHO. Not bad, but inferior to the FW ones.
One almost can find an analogy with modern directors and CGI abuse (which is partially a meme, in the sense that CGI use in movies is often more subtle than what we think, but we notice very well when is misused).

Yea, I juste edited my post to adress that. To me Warhammer is about exagerating everything, but at the same time I can totally see why some people just prefer a more reasonable and not as much "overloaded" models.
I have seen people call the DG models "busy", and I agree. Is jut that I like them being "Busy"

It's good we all have opinions. I hope most don't just adopt other people's opinions instead of judging it all for themselves.

My opinions on the models follows:

NuMarines -
* The height difference is what caught my attention as the old Marines are so lame that I stopped playing them in 4th/5th.
* The details and armor design are forcing me to look at buying my first box set from GW.
* I love the Jump jet troops.
* They are not so busy.......(was worried after seeing Roboutte).

Death Guard -
* Sooooo busy looking! Horrible to the eye!
* Not impressed with anything as the design just overloads the eye.
* The pox troops look like they are Ork goofy and therefore not original.

 reluxor wrote:
I wished to share imprssions on the new box. Because overhaul I am very satisfied and a bit disapointed at the same time.
Rules seems great and the hard cover bible is great newsm but I want to focus on the models:

Primaris Space Marines:
+ they are very dynamic
+ weapons are awesome
+ naked heads are fantastic
- helmets are not my taste and not diverse enough
- maybe not very diverse in general... Maybe it fit with the idea of more standardized production of space marines ??? But it put a bit away from the idea of knight in space
- captain in gravis armour is kind of a fail (very shaby pose)
- 'assault' space marines are the biggest disappointment, make me think about centurion, that flying suit to the legs make them look very static. I think I hate anything about them

Death guard:
+ very cool overall
+ nice pose and diversity of the plague marines
+ pox walker
+ lord of contagion and noxious blightbringer are top
- a bit too cartonish (maybe)... Surely hard to apply the fine details of guts and gore to a plastic model
- bloat drone... But I understand one can love it... But to me it just looks... bloat
- malignant plaguecaster. I think with a bit of conversion it can turn in a great mini but as is it look more funny and goofy than anything else

Do one know if they are multipart kit or easy-fit?

I am very interested in other opinions

The models are snap fits, so we're looking at fairly monopose for all of them.

I agree that the DG models look cartooney but I think it's owing to the paint job. A more bare bones dirty paint scheme would make them look way more serious.

I like the jump guys personally. They're OTT but w/e

Agreed on the captain model, he is screaming for some cutting and reposing (maybe different loadout, LC+PF?)

I like the set if I were only ever to get one. However the set is kinda schizophrenic about that. The Primaris Marines are clearly meant to be generic and to be bought in multiples, since I'm willing to bet that in the coming days this will be the cheapest source of Intercessor Squads and Plasma Hellblasters. On the flip side, the DG models are all unique. Unlike the Primaris Marines, each one is so full of character that it would be weird to see two unconverted models side by side, which means the DG models are not suited to multiples. I can see a lot of DG models going on the secondary market, while the Primaris Marines from this set command a slightly higher premium.

As for the designs, complexity doesn't necessarily equal good. It's like hitting every key on a piano; everything at once just produces noise, not music. I think they were trying to re-create the Putrid Blightkings merged with the MK3 Iron Armor and kinda went overboard. However a good paint scheme can help it become less noisy. The Nurgle models are far too bright and pristine right now; they should be dark, dank and oily, with a muted contrast. The website picture is probably done so to show off the details, but a proper nurgle model should be roughly one tone with only a few hints of contrast.

One thing I wonder about the set is how modular is it. Are the heads easily swapped for something else or are we going to get another set of snap-fit monoposed models? It's most likely the latter, but given that they haven't done snap-fits in a long time, there could be a chance that these guys can have some variations.

PM - I like how they are not over blinged. i like the new size and hope they update all the kits to be just about that size. maybe a shade less for normal marines. oh but i dont like the bare heads. and while i dont like the assault marines. they are kinda growing on me.

DG - i like all the models. except i hate nurgle of all the chaos gods. so feth them

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
As for the designs, complexity doesn't necessarily equal good. It's like hitting every key on a piano; everything at once just produces noise, not music. I think they were trying to re-create the Putrid Blightkings merged with the MK3 Iron Armor and kinda went overboard. However a good paint scheme can help it become less noisy. The Nurgle models are far too bright and pristine right now; they should be dark, dank and oily, with a muted contrast. The website picture is probably done so to show off the details, but a proper nurgle model should be roughly one tone with only a few hints of contrast.

This^

New Plague Marines


Putrid Blightkings

 Desubot wrote:
PM - I like how they are not over blinged. i like the new size and hope they update all the kits to be just about that size. maybe a shade less for normal marines. oh but i dont like the bare heads. and while i dont like the assault marines. they are kinda growing on me.

DG - i like all the models. except i hate nurgle of all the chaos gods. so feth them

Really considering cutting out the guys and such and replacing with GS cables for my IW army. We'll see what their legion rules are like.

as i am now going to have 2 boxes swapping nugle for 4 sets of numarines my only complaint is the unhelmeted hears, I will be looking for alternative heads if they do not come with a helmet option

If I want to do a true scale project then Primaris marines will be handy.

Really like the Nurgle offering other than the Poxwalkers - they will be sold or thrown in the bin, just like the DV cultists.

Why his people assuming the kits in the starter aren't gonna be monopose with 0 customization? They have already confirmed that if I remember correctly, and is something they always do with their starters.
Is obvious by the DG trailer that multipart plastic kits for deathguard marines and terminators is coming in the future. Maybe Poxwalkers too.

 Galas wrote:
Why his people assuming the kits in the starter aren't gonna be monopose with 0 customization? They have already confirmed that if I remember correctly, and is something they always do with their starters.
Is obvious by the DG trailer that multipart plastic kits for deathguard marines and terminators is coming in the future. Maybe Poxwalkers too.

for starter sets sure, btu burning of prospero and betrayal at cailth were normal kits as was talons of the emperor, so there is some evidence we might get real kits in them, were i a betting man i dwouldn't put money on it, but there is a chance

Honestly I think most of what I hate is 'eavy metal's paint jobs. Granted they're extremely talented and leagues better than what I can do, but its so flat and boring because they're trying to show off a product. Look at the goddam flat, boring faces. Remember when Robot Girlman came out and people hated his face, and then other people actually painted his face and it was actually pretty decent? Same thing.

The bright flat colors on everything really make them look cartoony. I'm sure they'll be fine with better paint jobs. Heck, I don't even paint my nurgle with green. They're all kislev flesh and baneblade brown with heavy washes.

I actually want like, 3-5 of those bloat drones. I was never a fan of chaos vehicles since the forge/mauler-fiends were the only good ones and while cool they aren't my style. Hopefully they have multiple weapon options.

The biggest disappointment for me in the set was the bloat drone. IMO the forgeworld drone looks ten times better. The plastic one is too busy, and the propellers are small whereas the resin one it had a more intimidating profile and looks less cartoony. I understand the propellers make the form of the mark of nurgle...but it just looks overdone to me. Not enough maggots, rot and actual disease going on.

But I do think a different paintjob will help all of these models...i'm probably going to pick up the box at some point this summer.

I really like the Inceptors (Orbital Drop Hover Marines).

Is it just me or does the poxwalker with the lab coat look ridiculous?
The Plaguecaster I'm 50-50 on.
I'm not big on Nurgle as a whole, but the rest actually look cool.

The numarines look very generic in numbers. I think they have gone for the plain look in order to make them.more attractive to loyalist players who might want to add them to an existing army

They can put them into the correct livery for their chapter - they would be new 'recruits' so would not inherit older more characterful suits, nor have had the time to personalise their fresh off the showroom floor gear.

Plague marines...Nurgle was the only Chaos faction I never liked or played. I think these models are bloody fantastic.

Lots of character and loads of detail. Nurgle''s followers see him as a cheery Uncle figure...I think that's why they have gone for the jolly look which some are seeing as cartoony. It also touches on the delirium of the plague and the madness brought to those 'saved' by Papa N.

I do think that the paint scheme is too bright and neat.

Two sets of the Primaris Marines will blend in pretty easily. Characters would be trickier (the standard bearer for both forces will be conversion fodder for something else I think)

For the plague marines some different colours of the grisly bits and piping will serve to differentiate two sets enough for me. Other people's tastes will vary. The characters might require a bit more conversion work. But it is chaos so one could paint their armour in a different colour scheme just keeping the same pallette.

But...this is a monopose starter set. You aren't really meant to but more than a couple.

I like the BD.

Also...I *adore* the Poxwalker Leader's immaculate white coat! :-D

I plan on buying the two player set and either trading off the Primaris for the Nurgle half or selling P and buying N from eBay.

I was looking to get a heavy infantry army to counterpoint my two fragile Xenos armies but if you had told me I would have been going with Uncle Nurgle I would have politely corrected you.

The Nurgle guys are a big win for me. Primaris I think will look better once GW start selling the enivtable Primaris [Chapter] boxes

 Galas wrote:
Why his people assuming the kits in the starter aren't gonna be monopose with 0 customization? They have already confirmed that if I remember correctly, and is something they always do with their starters.
Is obvious by the DG trailer that multipart plastic kits for deathguard marines and terminators is coming in the future. Maybe Poxwalkers too.

They're snap fit, so they WILL be very monopose, maybe a bit of options like head swivel, arm height.

That being said, I've never met a mini I couldn't make fully poseable with some snips a knife and some greenstuff.

I like them. Never really been that interested in owning marines but I think I will be picking up some Numarines for sure (IronMan paint scheme is really tempting) I like the Death Guard although I do take on board what has been said about them looking "cartoonish", however, I tend to think that is down to the overly bright Eavy metal painting style which 'm not the biggest fan of generally.

 Da-Rock wrote:


Death Guard -
* Sooooo busy looking! Horrible to the eye!
* Not impressed with anything as the design just overloads the eye.
.

Pretty much this. Dont get me wrong I wanted to like them, there's just way too much going on. Plus one of these days I'd like to see a more emaciated side of Nurgle.