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Observation from a game witnessed this evening.

If an infantry model has say a bolt gun, and another ranged weapon.. Can they fire them both in the shooting phase?

Weapons of type <Pistol> have a note that says you fire them or other weapons, but other weapons do not. So if you have a bolt gun and a bolt pistol its obviously one or the other, no issues there.

But what about if you have two pistols? or for that matter two guns? There seems to be nothing preventing you firing both (or presumably more) other than the limitation that for most infantry its not legal to have them in the first place.

is this correct?

In context it came about with a bod on a bike having a plasma gun in addition to the weapons on the bike, we all assumed its one or the other, but couldn't find anything to back this up and the way the rules are written seems to say you can fire the lot.

Thoughts?

So, from the rulebook page 180

Eachtime a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon shoots, it can either shoo with its Pistol(s) or with all of its other weapons. Choose which it will fire (Pistols or non-pistols) before making hit rolls.

I don't know where the confusion comes from.
If you choose to shoot with Pistol weapons, you shoot all your Pistol weapons. If you choose to shoot with non-Pistol weapons, you shoot with all your non-Pistol weapons.

A model is allowed to fire all its ranged weapons unless the rules say otherwise. There are two standard limitations:

1. You may not shoot with any non-pistol weapons if you fire any Pistol weapons
2. You may not shoots any other weapons if your fire with a Grenade.

Korbee11 wrote:
So, from the rulebook page 180

Eachtime a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon shoots, it can either shoo with its Pistol(s) or with all of its other weapons. Choose which it will fire (Pistols or non-pistols) before making hit rolls.

I don't know where the confusion comes from.
If you choose to shoot with Pistol weapons, you shoot all your Pistol weapons. If you choose to shoot with non-Pistol weapons, you shoot with all your non-Pistol weapons.

Yup, as I said if you have a pistol and something else its clearly one or the other as per the pistol rules, the question is what happens if you have two or more pistols or two or more ranged weapons other than pistols - the rules appear to indicate you can freely fire the lot - just a query to see if I'm missing something painfully obvious here as the only limitation I can find relates to carrying both pistols and non-pistols


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 alextroy wrote:
A model is allowed to fire all its ranged weapons unless the rules say otherwise. There are two standard limitations:

1. You may not shoot with any non-pistol weapons if you fire any Pistol weapons
2. You may not shoots any other weapons if your fire with a Grenade.

This is my reading of it, just felt a bit weird, no probs, many thanks

While a change from prior rules, it simplifies the rules by making exceptions to firing more than 1 weapon unnecessary. Instead, they just avoid allowing most models from purchasing multiple non-Pistol weapons.

Korbee11 wrote:
So, from the rulebook page 180

Eachtime a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon shoots, it can either shoot with its Pistol(s) or with all of its other weapons. Choose which it will fire (Pistols or non-pistols) before making hit rolls.

I don't know where the confusion comes from.
If you choose to shoot with Pistol weapons, you shoot all your Pistol weapons. If you choose to shoot with non-Pistol weapons, you shoot with all your non-Pistol weapons.

Emphasis added.

 Ghaz wrote:

Korbee11 wrote:
So, from the rulebook page 180

Eachtime a model equipped with both a pistol and another type of ranged weapon shoots, it can either shoot with its Pistol(s) or with all of its other weapons. Choose which it will fire (Pistols or non-pistols) before making hit rolls.

I don't know where the confusion comes from.
If you choose to shoot with Pistol weapons, you shoot all your Pistol weapons. If you choose to shoot with non-Pistol weapons, you shoot with all your non-Pistol weapons.

Emphasis added.

Not really confusion, just different to previous versions and wanted to make sure I was reading it right, weirdly it seems I was, guess it had to happen eventually

Cypher and seraphim get to fire both pistols.

An IG hvy weapon team gets to fire its hvy weapon and the much forgot about lasgun

What's weird is that SM Devastator Sergeants are the only SM Sergeants that can take a boltgun and _two_ boltpistols, for maximum silliness.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:
Cypher and seraphim get to fire both pistols.

An IG hvy weapon team gets to fire its hvy weapon and the much forgot about lasgun

And karma being what it is the lasgun will typically do more damage

My personal favorite is a Scout Bike Sgt with an Astartes Shotgun, Stormbolter AND the twin linked bolters on the bike. Within 12" he's good for 10 shots all on his own, steering with his knees I guess. Even an Ork has to appreciate that much shooting from one dude.

Before they FAQed it, Dark Angel Terminators could take a powerfist, two storm bolters, and a cyclone launcher. That was pretty neat too.

Yep, as per the rules, if you’re on a bike, you can fire a gun one handed, steer with the other hand, and fire the two guns on the handlebars, all at the same time, with absolutely no loss of accuracy. It’s unbelievably stupid, but it’s the rules as they currently stand.

 Nazrak wrote:
Yep, as per the rules, if you’re on a bike, you can fire a gun one handed, steer with the other hand, and fire the two guns on the handlebars, all at the same time, with absolutely no loss of accuracy. It’s unbelievably stupid, but it’s the rules as they currently stand.

Not vastly more stupid than using a bike the way 40k uses them in the first place, it is however blessed with the virtue of being simple.

I'm actually glad they haven't gone the route of having a 10 page rule book, then a 100 page "book of exceptions, inclusions and exclusions) explaining why you essentially never use a rule as it was written without some minor tweak.

Guessing for marines the auto senses in the helmet are actually doing something, for Orks guessing this is why they have trouble hitting the side of a barn from the inside

I think the Index Eldar Autarch Skyrunner is the most silly.

There you have twin linked Shuriken Catapults, The Laser Lance and a Fusion Gun.

Feel the BURN!

When a unit shoots you can choose one of 3 things for the models/unit

1) the MODEL can shoot all of it's not pistol/not grenade ranged weapons

2) the MODEL can shoot all of it's pistols

3) 1 MODEL in the UNIT can shoot a grenade instead of any of their other weapons.