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Having seen that this box rocks in at £105, the fact the models are fairly monopose/ETB, apart from some headswaps, and the inevitable multipose box sets which will follow I am inclined to pass on this set.

Whilst it is great to see my army get a revamp I am struggling to weigh up how the pros out strip the cons.

Anyone else thinking along these lines?

Im going halfs with a friend on a discounted box, so the price isn't too bad, just under an old SC kit so I feel Im getting a good deal there considering whats in it, but for that price point I would of ideally of wanted a full Rulebook like in DI, this is essentially a new starter set anyway in my eyes.

US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo

Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
Im going halfs with a friend on a discounted box, so the price isn't too bad, just under an old SC kit so I feel Im getting a good deal there considering whats in it, but for that price point I would of ideally of wanted a full Rulebook like in DI, this is essentially a new starter set anyway in my eyes.

Ditto. I can justify it on these grounds. Still though... it's a fair old amount for the whole box.

I'm really not happy that it's mysteriously $15 more than the norm for boxes ($160) while also being largely monopose (they claim there are extra bits to let you do headswaps and such, which is good but it's still monopose) while Dark Imperium was $160 with about the same number of figures AND the rulebook. As usual, people are making excuses and justifying it by gushing over the quality of the models or the supposed "real" cost of buying the models individually and using that to shout down anyone not happy about the price increase, which is par for the course whenever GW does something like this.

Seems like the old "newer things cost more" approach. So instead of buying a full box for myself, I'm just going to split two with others to get two sets of the Chaos. I wasn't planning on doing Primaris anytime soon anyways.

We play Warhammer, not Poorhammer.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo

$175? Holy gak. Ugg. I guess halve-sies is the only way I'll open my wallet for this. I don't really give a gak about ETB and other gripes as long as the quantity of plastic is reasonable. This does seem a bit rich.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo

$175? Holy gak. Ugg. I guess halve-sies is the only way I'll open my wallet for this. I don't really give a gak about ETB and other gripes as long as the quantity of plastic is reasonable. This does seem a bit rich.

I mean in reality it's only $15 more than what was expected ($160) it just bugs me, perhaps way more than it should, that it's inexplicably more expensive than comparable boxes despite being ETB (the other similar boxes were all actual kits not ETB) while comparing it to the only other ETB set (i.e. DI) that set also had the full hardcover rulebook. Yet of course people are justifying it with the usual arguments ("quality sculpts" and the like) and shouting down anyone who doesn't think $175 is a perfect price

Honestly, the price doesn't bother me. My LGS sells GW stuff at discount anyway and I use eBay a lot to either cherry-pick the models/bits I want, or sell off extra stuff when I want to buy from my LGS.

What killed this set for me is the crap rules. Well, maybe not crap, but certainly not better than other options that are easier to get.
I have no interest in the Infiltrators and will wait for the (hopefully inevitable 3-man box of Eliminators). The Suppressors would have been cool if they had another weapon option, but as it stands, an AP-2 Autocannon just doesn't justify taking them over more Inceptors that have better weapon options & T5

If the Suppressors full kit comes with a different weapon options (preferably Las-talons or something similar) then they'll be interesting. But by that point, I'll just eBay the ETB versions from Shadowspear and convert the weapon option. Just like I did with Inceptors and their Plasma

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It's interesting that they've done something over £100 - they've been avoiding that for a while (one of the reasons why the Knight Castellan & Valiant are separate kits).

It's just about cheaper than buying two Start Collecting boxes (and you get a bit more stuff) but they're Easy Build.

Wayniac wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo

$175? Holy gak. Ugg. I guess halve-sies is the only way I'll open my wallet for this. I don't really give a gak about ETB and other gripes as long as the quantity of plastic is reasonable. This does seem a bit rich.

I mean in reality it's only $15 more than what was expected ($160) it just bugs me, perhaps way more than it should, that it's inexplicably more expensive than comparable boxes despite being ETB (the other similar boxes were all actual kits not ETB) while comparing it to the only other ETB set (i.e. DI) that set also had the full hardcover rulebook. Yet of course people are justifying it with the usual arguments ("quality sculpts" and the like) and shouting down anyone who doesn't think $175 is a perfect price

To add insult to injury some of the Chaos rules are slightly underwhelming. Looking at you Venomcrawler. Also, concensus seems to be, from this forum at least, Oblits got a slight nerf.

Roll on 4pm GMT to see what all the fuss is about.

Wayniac wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 G00fySmiley wrote:
US it is $175, when the conversion of £105 is $138. I was in up to $160, at $175 pass, there is just not enough in the box to justify it imo

$175? Holy gak. Ugg. I guess halve-sies is the only way I'll open my wallet for this. I don't really give a gak about ETB and other gripes as long as the quantity of plastic is reasonable. This does seem a bit rich.

I mean in reality it's only $15 more than what was expected ($160) it just bugs me, perhaps way more than it should, that it's inexplicably more expensive than comparable boxes despite being ETB (the other similar boxes were all actual kits not ETB) while comparing it to the only other ETB set (i.e. DI) that set also had the full hardcover rulebook. Yet of course people are justifying it with the usual arguments ("quality sculpts" and the like) and shouting down anyone who doesn't think $175 is a perfect price

Well $160 was a bit more than expected and $175 just kicks it over the top. If GW priced it $25 less then I'd have bought both sides to keep for myself. I'm sure their sales will do fine regardless.


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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:


To add insult to injury some of the Chaos rules are slightly underwhelming. Looking at you Venomcrawler. Also, concensus seems to be, from this forum at least, Oblits got a slight nerf.

Roll on 4pm GMT to see what all the fuss is about.

I'm digging what the Venom can do, but it depends on the points. Oblits cost more, but you're also getting 50% more shots, which means greater force multipliers when you slap on VotLW and double tap.

Yea i might be on team if a friend really wants the chaos side i might go halves on the space marine side. or jsut pick up the units i really want on ebay (primaris LT, primaris librarian in cloak. snipers, oblits and the spider guy)

I'm going to just buy off Ebay for the Units. Right now, one of each, except 2 Snipers.

Any word on if the codices inside will be available in digital enhanced format or otherwise?

 TwinPoleTheory wrote:
Any word on if the codices inside will be available in digital enhanced format or otherwise?

Why would they be? The models they go with are only in this box.

You might be able to get only one half of the models for cheaper. I know Bits and Kits is selling a full set of either the chaos side or marine side for £60

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would they be? The models they go with are only in this box.

Because they're going to make those models available separately eventually and the rules allow for them to be used alongside the other Chaos codices.

Doing otherwise is just asking for piracy.

Also, I'm pretty sure they like money.

Sure they'll be available separately--but we don't know whether or not there are new books incoming for both factions.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Sure they'll be available separately--but we don't know whether or not there are new books incoming for both factions.

We kind of do, since apparently Vigilus Ablaze is all Chaos. I'm optimistic that at least 10-15% of the stuff in the book will be useful.

Looking at the wrath and rapture box, this seems excessively expensive. From the number of models I was expecting £75. Dark imperium is similar to wrath and rapture, and shadow spear is closer to know no fear.

Was tempted by the chaos half to spur me back into the game, but alas, I'll wait for 9th ed.

I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

 ServiceGames wrote:
I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

20-some years ago, single character blister was $12.00 in the U.S. Along with 8th ed, we've seen a single character box costing $35.00 - that's 291% increase in price.

Applying a standard 2% inflation rate, we'd have reached $17.48 normally if we consider it inflation based price hike.

New GW pricing isn't inflation based - it's investor return based.

175$ Is abit pricey even for me. I don't think anyone can justify its price to me. Even with its 'quality' sculpts when we have three duplicate models in the same box. Then we have fewer things we are actually getting. The price increase is a bit inflammatory. No Thanks.

 ServiceGames wrote:
I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

No. They literally just raised prices on a majority of their Start Collecting sets(Space Wolves and two AoS ones that were the contents of the previous AoS starter set) by $5 to $10 USD and paints went up a bit.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

While I agree that Shadowspear's price feels off--I haven't actually seen a confirmed USD price. Just people doing the currency swaps that I usually do--which I've found can be wrong by anywhere from $10 to $15 with these bigger boxes.

It's also worth noting that Dark Imperium is intended as a "starter" starter set--discounted heavily with no individual frames(Shadowspear has the Captain, Librarian, and Master of Possession on their own sprues while the Lieutenant and Greater Possesseds are on the respective faction sprues) and a subsidized cost for a big rulebook.

TwinPoleTheory wrote:
We kind of do, since apparently Vigilus Ablaze is all Chaos. I'm optimistic that at least 10-15% of the stuff in the book will be useful.

I'm meaning updated Codices for the first two factions released in 8th. Not campaign related stuff although I'm sure there will be Vanguard and Daemonkin tied stuff in the book too.


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 skchsan wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:
I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

20-some years ago, single character blister was $12.00 in the U.S. Along with 8th ed, we've seen a single character box costing $35.00 - that's 291% increase in price.

Applying a standard 2% inflation rate, we'd have reached $17.48 normally if we consider it inflation based price hike.

New GW pricing isn't inflation based - it's investor return based.

$35 character boxes are outliers, not the norm. One could make a quick look through the recent Genestealer Cult range and note that out of all the characters(8 of them mind you) released? Only one was $35 and that was the biker.

 skchsan wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:
I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

20-some years ago, single character blister was $12.00 in the U.S. Along with 8th ed, we've seen a single character box costing $35.00 - that's 291% increase in price.

Applying a standard 2% inflation rate, we'd have reached $17.48 normally if we consider it inflation based price hike.

New GW pricing isn't inflation based - it's investor return based.

A little of column A. A little of column B, which is the increase in quality.

I probably paid $20 for Abaddon all those years ago. I won't blink an eye paying ~$60 for the new model.

FWIW both of my FLGS confirmed $175 USD as the retail price. So it's not speculation it's legit the retail price.

My main issue with it is that it's more expensive than Dark Impeirum, which also had monopose models (not sure of the count but they seem roughly approximate) AND a hardcover rulebook which was $60 alone (So $100 for the box and $60 for the rules). This is $15 more, no rulebook (just two 24-page mini codexes) and still pushfit models. The other boxes which were also $160 (Wrath & Rapture, Forgebane, etc.) didn't come with a rulebook but had full kits, not pushfit. So Shadowspear is not only more expensive than the boxed sets before it but also is not full kits (like Forgebane et all) and has no rulebook (like Dark Imperium).

It's pretty obvious the price increase is just because they can.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:
I honestly think that Shadowspear is just too expensive. I understand that GW recently raised its prices across the board. I don't like that AT ALL, but inflation does happen. So, I can understand.

That said, just take a look at the sheer amount of models you get in the $160 Dark Imperium box versus the $175 Shadowspear box. It just seems overly expensive for what you actually get.

SG

20-some years ago, single character blister was $12.00 in the U.S. Along with 8th ed, we've seen a single character box costing $35.00 - that's 291% increase in price.

Applying a standard 2% inflation rate, we'd have reached $17.48 normally if we consider it inflation based price hike.

New GW pricing isn't inflation based - it's investor return based.

A little of column A. A little of column B, which is the increase in quality.

I probably paid $20 for Abaddon all those years ago. I won't blink an eye paying ~$60 for the new model.

yea... same page page on abaddon, he's just too iconic of a character to not have imo. I will probably never field him, but will spend hours getting his paint job just right for the display case.

At least gw generally doesn't increase old prices or dark imperium would be this price as well. They decided to up this price band

First large scale box after the February price increase from GW. Very likely future boxes will be priced similarly.

I don't mind monopose or ETB minis at all, but I do think there should be a cost saving compared to normal multi-part/multi-unit kits. $175 is pretty damn high for what you're getting in the box. However...

$175 MSRP.

$148.75 from normal retailers (full 15% legal discount). Online retailers via eBay always ship free, so that's technically saving another $12-15.

If...eBay returns to its form from last year of having eBay sales they're normally 15% (though we haven't seen a sale this year so maybe they've learned a lesson...), which would make this box $126.50 shipped.

So, at $126-148 shipped it's a bit more reasonable, almost a good deal at the bottom end, but at $175 MSRP it's a bit of a laugh, honestly.