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All of the Chaos gods, of course, have their own sacred numbers (with Nurgle seemingly having two in the way that he uses the number three). But I wonder, is the fact that Khorne's number is the same number of points on the Chaos Star indicative of some special status he has, such as possibly being the purest manifestation of the concept of Chaos? It just seems odd that these two numbers match up and no one has seemingly tried to make any connection.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
All of the Chaos gods, of course, have their own sacred numbers (with Nurgle seemingly having two in the way that he uses the number three). But I wonder, is the fact that Khorne's number is the same number of points on the Chaos Star indicative of some special status he has, such as possibly being the purest manifestation of the concept of Chaos? It just seems odd that these two numbers match up and no one has seemingly tried to make any connection.

Don, t know of any special reason but 8 kinda is eternal and could represent the endless slaughter and so?

Nurgle is 7 for some reason.

Tne... Cannot spell is 9

Slanesh... Don t think had a defined number.

 jhe90 wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
All of the Chaos gods, of course, have their own sacred numbers (with Nurgle seemingly having two in the way that he uses the number three). But I wonder, is the fact that Khorne's number is the same number of points on the Chaos Star indicative of some special status he has, such as possibly being the purest manifestation of the concept of Chaos? It just seems odd that these two numbers match up and no one has seemingly tried to make any connection.

Don, t know of any special reason but 8 kinda is eternal and could represent the endless slaughter and so?

Nurgle is 7 for some reason.

Tne... Cannot spell is 9

Slanesh... Don t think had a defined number.

Slaanesh is 6

Khorne was the first god of chaos, first choice?

 jhe90 wrote:


Nurgle is 7 for some reason.

Nurgle's is 7 due to the trilobe symbol (which is used throughout history in lots of things and is in no way unique to Nurgle, though with Nurgle it is more than likely based on the Caput Mortuum) having seven ways in which you can pick elements from a group of three. For example with a group (A, B, C) the seven possibilities are: A, B, C, AB, AC, BC, ABC.

 Lord Clinto wrote:
Khorne was the first god of chaos, first choice?

I thought Nurgle was first?

I don't think the numbers were thought of in depth when they were arrived at. In many of the codexes and books the numbers aren't explained as why they exist, but just that they do and that they're reflected in army, building and other structures.

Khorne is generally considered to be the current dominant god of the Chaos pantheon. This was reinforced in the recent Wrath and Rapture mini books. The fact that any bloodshed is akin to worshiping Khorne, even violent acts that help other gods also empower Khorne. Until a peaceful solution is arrived at he will always be empowered.
That there are 8 points to the Chaos star, and Khorne is 8, might indicate that this is reflective of his dominance, but that is never stated anywhere.

It is likely that it was just a move by GW, they created 4 gods and the chaos undivided symbol was originally that 8 pointed star. They didn't think about the (un)holy numbers until a little later and it's just coincidence.

My head cannon is one of the following. There are 8 points to the star - Khorne has the top 3, Nurgle and Tzeench have 2, and Slaanesh the bottom 1... as an indication of the power struggles. This then changes with time with the great game.
Alternatively, there are 4 gods and they occupy 4 points. There are 4 extra points that could be used for future (or past destroyed) gods.

What does the ring, or the centre of the star signify? I think we can look into this rather deeply and it's probably just arrived at arbitrarily with meaning applied to it later.


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 Beersarius Drawl wrote:

 Lord Clinto wrote:
Khorne was the first god of chaos, first choice?

I thought Nurgle was first?

Although it makes sense for Nurgle to have been first (as surely disease was around before the first violent death?) I have read that the first murder was the act that spawned Khorne... this is a play on the Cain and Able story in the bible. This doesn't mean that Cain and Able were humans necessarily, but it could have been a story passed down. Khorne has undoubtedly existing in some form before humanity existed and of course all of the history is in-universe and mostly human-centric. The warp does work in weird ways, and as soon as a god comes into existence it for some reason has always existed as time doesn't work that way there.

Its said that the Chaos Gods existed throughout space and time, so one of them being the first is most likely allegorical. The first most likely be the first one that was worshiped and it makes sense that the first one would be Nurgle. However Khorne is certainly the strongest and his will to power philosophy of survival of the fittest is the most well Choatic where Nurgle with his preditible plagues, Slaanesh with repeated hedonism, and Tzentch with the same old plots just are not well that Chaotic.

It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

 Beersarius Drawl wrote:
It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

It appears to be common enough for chaos gods to work together. In the Horus Heresy it is shown that Slaanesh and Khorne work together in an attempt to convert/kill/occupy the Blood Angels. There is fluff about Skarbrand I think it is... (Edited): Bel'akor who was a daemon prince of chaos undivided. I think he was the first one they instilled their powers into, but it didn't work out, so they promised never to do it again.

If a single chaos god gets powerful enough the remainder do gang up on them, but as soon as the top god is deposed the allies soon turn on each other again. Of course all of this blood lettings still fuels Khorne. Even killing his own troops his a form of worship.

TarkinLarson wrote:

 Beersarius Drawl wrote:
It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

It appears to be common enough for chaos gods to work together. In the Horus Heresy it is shown that Slaanesh and Khorne work together in an attempt to convert/kill/occupy the Blood Angels. There is fluff about Skarbrand I think it is... who was a daemon prince of chaos undivided. I think he was the first one they instilled their powers into, but it didn't work out, so they promised never to do it again.

If a single chaos god gets powerful enough the remainder do gang up on them, but as soon as the top god is deposed the allies soon turn on each other again. Of course all of this blood lettings still fuels Khorne. Even killing his own troops his a form of worship.

You're thinking of Bel'akor.

Skarbrand is a Bloodthirster who thought he take Khorne in a fight.

Chaos can work together for temporary alliances pretty easily they just can't do it long term because they're pretty selfish beings.

8 are the directions of the Eightfold Path, though their beginning and their ending is 9 from which all flows and to which all returns. Yet there is no 9 without the 3 elements of life, death, and rebirth. These 3 are the 7 when counted without order, and infinite when ordered without counting. Following the path inward we find the 6 temptations that will shrive our souls. Onwards and inwards goes the Eightfold Path, annihilating all ego and material illusion. Till all become none.

Beersarius Drawl wrote:It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

I really like this idea. The Imperium is most likely wracked with untreated mental disorders due to how crazy and inhumane it is, so taking this tact I think could reap huge dividends for Chaos. You mentioned Dark Imperium; in one of the battles, we see a Nurglite bell bringing on hallucinations and the equivalent of severe clinical depression in the attacking Ultramarine force. The same thing happens in the final battle in the novelette Death Knell, though I think that was a Chaos Undivided army (though it might have been strictly Khorne, I forget). Throw in Tzeentchian mind games and there's the potential for whole planets, maybe even whole systems, to have their entire populations crippled and then conquered without any shots needing to be fired.

TarkinLarson wrote:

 Beersarius Drawl wrote:
It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

It appears to be common enough for chaos gods to work together. In the Horus Heresy it is shown that Slaanesh and Khorne work together in an attempt to convert/kill/occupy the Blood Angels. There is fluff about Skarbrand I think it is... who was a daemon prince of chaos undivided. I think he was the first one they instilled their powers into, but it didn't work out, so they promised never to do it again.

If a single chaos god gets powerful enough the remainder do gang up on them, but as soon as the top god is deposed the allies soon turn on each other again. Of course all of this blood lettings still fuels Khorne. Even killing his own troops his a form of worship.

Khorne and Slaanesh lesser daemons actually work quite well when they team up, as both are fast, melee-centered troops who are good at slicing through enemy lines. They do turn on each other as soon as their common threat is beaten or they are driven back, but that's just the nature of Chaos. For example, one of the biggest issues that has held back Abaddon in the progress of his overall campaign is that once massive victories are achieved, such as the destruction of Cadia, almost none of his disparate factions stay together and instead begin fighting and/or pursuing their own separate agendas once again.

About Skarbrand, are you sure that he was once a daemon prince? Everything I've read is that he was/is an extremely powerful bloodthirster who was manipulated by Tzeentch into attacking Khorne, as he knew that Khorne would exile Skarbrand and thus lose/cripple a very potent warrior.

pm713 wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

 Beersarius Drawl wrote:
It is interesting that the big four are always in competition, but I have been waiting a story line that shows a high level of cooperation. "Organised chaos" or organisation to deliver chaos unto the Galaxy.

For example if Nurgle and Tzentch could work together, they could deliver mental disease on a scale never seen before.

In Dark Imperium, the Ultramar apothecaries treat mental health like they do the plagues, so given the Tznetch's penchant for change, would this allegiance make sense, even though they both strive for individual power?


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This could also play out in a way as to affect the current pantheon and, maybe give us more insight into their sacred numbers.

It appears to be common enough for chaos gods to work together. In the Horus Heresy it is shown that Slaanesh and Khorne work together in an attempt to convert/kill/occupy the Blood Angels. There is fluff about Skarbrand I think it is... who was a daemon prince of chaos undivided. I think he was the first one they instilled their powers into, but it didn't work out, so they promised never to do it again.

If a single chaos god gets powerful enough the remainder do gang up on them, but as soon as the top god is deposed the allies soon turn on each other again. Of course all of this blood lettings still fuels Khorne. Even killing his own troops his a form of worship.

You're thinking of Bel'akor.

Skarbrand is a Bloodthirster who thought he take Khorne in a fight.

Chaos can work together for temporary alliances pretty easily they just can't do it long term because they're pretty selfish beings.

Beyond simply being selfish, I think that the innate nature of the gods is one where they are destined to always be in conflict, due to the fact that their creation is rooted in very different philosophies expounded by various factions and races. Since they are sentient, they can temporarily put aside these differences in order to achieve common goals, but it may be that it is simply impossible for them to establish any long term alliance (unlike other deities that come from the minds of a common race and philosophical outlook, like Gork and Mork). Indeed, even the temporary alliances among the Chaos gods might be physically painful for them.

Nurglitch wrote:8 are the directions of the Eightfold Path, though their beginning and their ending is 9 from which all flows and to which all returns. Yet there is no 9 without the 3 elements of life, death, and rebirth. These 3 are the 7 when counted without order, and infinite when ordered without counting. Following the path inward we find the 6 temptations that will shrive our souls. Onwards and inwards goes the Eightfold Path, annihilating all ego and material illusion. Till all become none.

This is a very interesting, well-written concept of how Chaos is all connected on a very deep layer and if one god fades away, they all are weakened to various extents. I myself have come to the conclusion that all of the gods do feed each other in some ways. Almost all of the gods' plots involve at least some shedding of blood, thus feeding Khorne. But even among the most devoted of Khorne's followers, and in the plans of Nurgle and Slaanesh, some, sometimes a great deal, of manipulations are required for such plans/campaigns to be successful, thus empowering Tzeentch. The destruction and decay wrought by all of the Chaos gods often create fertile grounds for many diseases to spread, as often happens in the midst and aftermath of war, allowing Nurgle's influence to spread. And finally, all of the Chaos gods are obsessed with and enslaved to their natures and how they carry out their agendas, obsessions that feed directly into Slaanesh, thus making him/her something of a subtle, or sometimes not so subtle, master/mistress of all of Chaos.

One being to note is Malice/Malal, who I do think is still canon on some level, or at least some equivalent (the Sons of Malice are still around and do serve, according to GW, some mysterious 'Dark Lord'). It makes sense that hatred of Chaos could bring about an anti-Chaos deity which, though not on the side of the enemies of Chaos (if it helped them to utterly destroy, then Malal itself would would disintegrate; better to foster eternal war and hatred between Chaos and its enemies), it could be an active, if slightly behind the scenes actor that could work to ensure that Chaos never achieves total victory.

Something of note is that if Malal's number is eleven, who holds the number of ten? Is there some mysterious god lurking in the void who hasn't made himself known yet? I would love to see a god of fear in 40K and AoS. Not the kind of fear that Nurgle promotes, but an all-encompassing fear of the dark (both physical and psychological), a fear of isolation and living and dying completely cut off from everyone else, like rotting away in a dungeon, trapped somewhere with no one able or willing to find you, or even simply trapped inside your own mind. A fear of the void of space, of infinity, of the unknown, of regrets of the past and of what horrible events might happen in the future, of never being able to find good in the current moment. Of never being able to forge a connection with anyone else in life and of dying alone and forgotten and passing away into an abyss of non-existence. Such a deity could render psykers absolutely comatose and could cause the complete dissolution of armies without combat operations on needed the part of this god's followers. Besides its sacred number, it could have no banners, no symbols, no colors except black and shades of very dark grey. Its daemons could be barely formed wraiths, both in the materium and immaterium, who rely almost exclusively on whispering demoralizing phrases into someone mind that either paralyze the victim's consciousness into never taking any action on any task of any kind, or pushes an individual towards destructive and/or isolating behavior, like certain kinds of addictions, very similar to how real life depression often works, and who rarely use outright physical attacks like most other Chaos daemons do. The god's slogans/war cries could be simply one or two word statements like 'alone,' 'help,' 'please,' 'no hope,' 'why,' non-stop quiet weeping or non-sensical mumbling, or maybe just an utter silence beyond any normal silence that infect the minds, bodies, and souls of anyone in the direct presence of the god or its followers.

Malal isn't 40k canon; he was whfrpg and owned by the author, not GW, so he never made the transition. In 40k there is 'Malice' a fairly analogous being worshipped by Sons of Malice (see the Space Marine omnibus).

nareik wrote:
Malal isn't 40k canon; he was whfrpg and owned by the author, not GW, so he never made the transition. In 40k there is 'Malice' a fairly analogous being worshipped by Sons of Malice (see the Space Marine omnibus).

Good to see he's still around and intact, even if he has a slightly different name. There should definitely be more lore about Malice and his followers.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

nareik wrote:
Malal isn't 40k canon; he was whfrpg and owned by the author, not GW, so he never made the transition. In 40k there is 'Malice' a fairly analogous being worshipped by Sons of Malice (see the Space Marine omnibus).

Good to see he's still around and intact, even if he has a slightly different name. There should definitely be more lore about Malice and his followers.

Someone brought up Malal/Malice on the Oldhammer FB group a few years back and Andy Hoare - who wrote the Renegade Sons IA article which (amongst other things) covered the Son's of Malice excommunication - stated that the author of the Black Library story was mistaken: The Sons of Malice don't worship anything, they're just really malicious. Of course I could be lying.. but the author of the Malice story never wrote for Black Library again.. so methinks he did it without asking permission.

Yes it was Bel'akor or however it is... not Skarbrand. Sorry!

I have always thought that ten was the emperor's number. His squads are always ten models, just like plague Marines come I squads of seven

Blekinge wrote:
I have always thought that ten was the emperor's number. His squads are always ten models, just like plague Marines come I squads of seven

I'd go 10, 5, maybe 1, because of their place in order and mathematics. 10 and 5 bracket the chaos god numbers nicely.
An appeal to Numerology isn't authoritative(magnus and Ahriman would disagree) as I doubt the authors drew much from there but you can draw parallels, keeping in mind that chaos gods are corrupted versions of human ideals:
https://www.numerology.com/about-numerology/single-digit-numbers

1: Primal, creative force,

The 1 is no preacher, no philosopher, no spiritual explorer, no dreamer and certainly not an idealist. It is a pragmatist, a ruthless conqueror and a warrior extraordinaire. It is individualistic and independent to a fault. It will attempt to force its values and opinions on you but it won't accept, or even listen to, yours.

5: Dynamic, adaptable, freedom

perhaps the most dominating trait in the 5 is her uncompromising demand for freedom in thought and action. She makes up her own mind, rebels against any and all dogmas and ideologies, and does not allow herself to be absorbed into clubs, cults, religious sects or ideologies of any kind.

6: motherhood, caring, ego

The 6, while loving, caring and full of sympathy for others, is self-centered and egotistical at heart. If those at the receiving end of her care do not show the attention she craves, she can turn on them, even hurt them.

7: Seeker of answers, truth, creepy weirdos

The 7 is physically lanky and tall, but not athletic and doesn't care about sports. 7s are not warriors, but you may find some people with the 7 dominating their charts in the military, most likely as analysts or strategic planners. More often, however, you will find them in the world of academics and science. Police detectives, laboratory researchers and other careers where logical, methodical analysis of facts are the main requirements of the job.

8: Balance, Power, Drive

Some of the more recognizable traits of the 8 are drive, ambition, authority, efficiency, organization, management, discipline and control. The 8 is goal-oriented, focused, has good judgment, can discriminate and is practical, a realist. Its closest relative is the 1 as both numbers are powerful, have strong leadership skills, are unquestionably masculine and will not shy away from a confrontation. However, where the 1 lacks diplomatic skills and an understanding of human nature -- more typically the traits of the 2 -- the 8 has those abilities as well, which is perhaps the most important reason the 8 tends to do well in business and in authority roles (the military and law enforcement draw a lot of 8s).

9: Galaxy brain, perception, influence

But when circumstances require, she can be a powerful force, strong enough to take over and bend others to her will (just as she does when she is used to multiply any other number; she takes complete control). Yet she is not a leader in the way both the 1 and the 8 are leaders; her leadership qualities are in the higher realms of philosophy and justice. She changes your mind!
As with any number, the 9 has a dark side. She can be condescending, arrogant, cold and apathetic towards the suffering of others. When the 9 shows her dark side, it is egotistic, cruel, immoral and completely untouchable.

10: Divinity, completion, inconsideration.

]https://thesecretofthetarot.com/numerology-number-10/ wrote:The Pythagoreans believed that the number 10 was the greatest of all numbers because 10 grasps all arithmetic proportions. The Pythagoreans took their oaths by the number 10 perhaps because they considered 10 to be the holiest of numbers. The Richter scale and the French Revolution Calendar (not used since 1806) are based on the number 10.

Negative aspects of the number 10 includes a lack of consideration and tolerance for other people’s thoughts. There is also a certain numbness about them. It doesn’t bother them to be alone, so, unless given a reason, they feel little need for increasing their tolerance or considering the thoughts of others.

These people can acquire a position of authority, but they should remember to keep in touch with their humanity and understand that all parts are essential to the whole. They work until they are worn out, so it’s no wonder they have difficulty allowing for the imperfections of others. They should strive for moderation and attempt to gain patience so they can enjoy their successes.

Obviously, this is all conjecture and i'm sure definitions will vary but there's enough to parse there.

Moorcock's rationale for the 8 pointed star:

...eight arrows representing all possibilities, one arrow representing the single, certain road of Law.

If Khorne pulls and twists all the drive and military authority from the 8, Chaos Undivided might draw on the leadership skills and diplomacy to draw together the various chaos factions.

 =Angel= wrote:
https://www.numerology.com/about-numerology/single-digit-numbers

You know, some of those fit pretty well with the associated primarchs...

EDIT: Some of the double-digit ones are even closer. I think we might have stumbled on one source for the original defining traits of the primarchs. There are just too many correspondences there to be entirely coincidental.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Not the kind of fear that Nurgle promotes, but an all-encompassing fear of the dark (both physical and psychological), a fear of isolation and living and dying completely cut off from everyone else, like rotting away in a dungeon, trapped somewhere with no one able or willing to find you, or even simply trapped inside your own mind. A fear of the void of space, of infinity, of the unknown, of regrets of the past and of what horrible events might happen in the future, of never being able to find good in the current moment. Of never being able to forge a connection with anyone else in life and of dying alone and forgotten and passing away into an abyss of non-existence. Such a deity could render psykers absolutely comatose and could cause the complete dissolution of armies without combat operations on needed the part of this god's followers. Besides its sacred number, it could have no banners, no symbols, no colors except black and shades of very dark grey. Its daemons could be barely formed wraiths, both in the materium and immaterium, who rely almost exclusively on whispering demoralizing phrases into someone mind that either paralyze the victim's consciousness into never taking any action on any task of any kind, or pushes an individual towards destructive and/or isolating behavior, like certain kinds of addictions, very similar to how real life depression often works, and who rarely use outright physical attacks like most other Chaos daemons do. The god's slogans/war cries could be simply one or two word statements like 'alone,' 'help,' 'please,' 'no hope,' 'why,' non-stop quiet weeping or non-sensical mumbling, or maybe just an utter silence beyond any normal silence that infect the minds, bodies, and souls of anyone in the direct presence of the god or its followers.

Beautifully written sir (or madam!), somebody give this guy a job in the creative dep or GW stat! A bit "real" for some of us maybe though!

Dai wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Not the kind of fear that Nurgle promotes, but an all-encompassing fear of the dark (both physical and psychological), a fear of isolation and living and dying completely cut off from everyone else, like rotting away in a dungeon, trapped somewhere with no one able or willing to find you, or even simply trapped inside your own mind. A fear of the void of space, of infinity, of the unknown, of regrets of the past and of what horrible events might happen in the future, of never being able to find good in the current moment. Of never being able to forge a connection with anyone else in life and of dying alone and forgotten and passing away into an abyss of non-existence. Such a deity could render psykers absolutely comatose and could cause the complete dissolution of armies without combat operations on needed the part of this god's followers. Besides its sacred number, it could have no banners, no symbols, no colors except black and shades of very dark grey. Its daemons could be barely formed wraiths, both in the materium and immaterium, who rely almost exclusively on whispering demoralizing phrases into someone mind that either paralyze the victim's consciousness into never taking any action on any task of any kind, or pushes an individual towards destructive and/or isolating behavior, like certain kinds of addictions, very similar to how real life depression often works, and who rarely use outright physical attacks like most other Chaos daemons do. The god's slogans/war cries could be simply one or two word statements like 'alone,' 'help,' 'please,' 'no hope,' 'why,' non-stop quiet weeping or non-sensical mumbling, or maybe just an utter silence beyond any normal silence that infect the minds, bodies, and souls of anyone in the direct presence of the god or its followers.

Beautifully written sir (or madam!), somebody give this guy a job in the creative dep or GW stat! A bit "real" for some of us maybe though!

Thank you very much (btw, I'm a guy ). If Malal/Malice truly isn't canon anymore in any shape or form, then a god like this could maybe take his place. I had an idea for this god's Marines to be Noise Marines who, instead of being being Slaaneshi party animals who blasted their enemies with high-powered metal and dubstep, would instead be introverted, intellectual, and morose, and would focus heavily on creating sound that could not only be used to physically kill enemies, but could also drive their enemies mad and into complete despair. They would always be tinkering with new styles and frequencies, and would even communicate with each other through a highly complex language of seemingly random sounds and frequencies, some inaudible to the regular human ear, though they could talk regularly if need be.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:


Thank you very much (btw, I'm a guy ). If Malal/Malice truly isn't canon anymore in any shape or form, then a god like this could maybe take his place. I had an idea for this god's Marines to be Noise Marines who, instead of being being Slaaneshi party animals who blasted their enemies with high-powered metal and dubstep, would instead be introverted, intellectual, and morose, and would focus heavily on creating sound that could not only be used to physically kill enemies, but could also drive their enemies mad and into complete despair. They would always be tinkering with new styles and frequencies, and would even communicate with each other through a highly complex language of seemingly random sounds and frequencies, some inaudible to the regular human ear, though they could talk regularly if need be.

This kind of long term downward spiral of the mind, is very close to the Idea of Nurgle and Tzentch working for change and degradation into mental disease.

It could be this collaboration of a system/sector/galaxy wide scale plague that, is the event that spawns or brings this new god into the materium. that would be so cool.

And I agree that @ArcaneHorror has a way with words. you should write this little storyline.