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Not fond of current 40k so I’m itching to use my iron warriors in 30k instead. I’ve got the following to start with:

Converted Perturabo from a big metal Obliterator

10 or 2x5 Siege Tyrant Termies converted from the old tiny metal Obliterators

3x10 Mark III Legion Tactical squads ( I think they need the added combat blades with their bolters for when they furiously charge)

1 rhino with havoc launcher and combibolter

I love the idea of using a Primarch despite his extreme points cost. What extra units should I focus on adding first? I was actually thinking of a couple rhinos for the extra troops, and then either a Medusa or basilisk. Or should I get some terminators since Perturabo gives them deep strike? I like the cataphractiis for the invul but what about tartaros for the sweeping advance and I think they’re faster too?

Those rapier batteries also look like a good Iron Warriorsy type of unit. Are Contemptors used much in the IVth Legion?

And lastly are conversions frowned upon in 30k? Forgeworld isnt much in the budget any time soon but I’m always good at converting bits into useable units.

Thanks for any suggestions !
   
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Conversions are not frowned upon, as long as they fit the theme/aesthetic of the Horus Heresy. Without having seen them, I'd be iffy on the obliterators converted to terminators as I'd guess they'd look very mutated and... chaos-y. Wasn't a whole lot of that going on during the Heresy, depending on which point in the Heresy you theme your army for (A siege of Terra force might be heavily mutated and chaotic, but an early Heresy group would have practically none)
Cataphractii always seem more Iron Warriors-y to me so I'd go with them, personally. Rapier batteries are definitely really good for Iron Warriors.
Contemptors are used by every legion. No reason why Iron Warriors wouldn't include any.

Overall your plan sounds sound for the Iron Warriors. Mechanized forces with artillery backup suits them. If you run the Ironfire Rite of War you'll want footsloggers instead as they get buffs for being near where your artillery hit.

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I love the idea of using a Primarch despite his extreme points cost. What extra units should I focus on adding first? I was actually thinking of a couple rhinos for the extra troops, and then either a Medusa or basilisk. Or should I get some terminators since Perturabo gives them deep strike? I like the cataphractiis for the invul but what about tartaros for the sweeping advance and I think they’re faster too?


Extra bodies/extra Rhinos are generally useful. The Rhino is still cheap in 30k and provides strong protection against a lot of anti-infantry fire. Medusa is generally better than a Basilisk, the AP2 makes it a threat to Terminators, the S10 lets it Instant Death Custodians, and the longer range on the Basilisk isn't used on most tables.

I'd suggest saving Perturabo for bigger games; Primarchs and especially Primarch deathstars (Primarch + bodyguard squad + transport) are almost always massive overkill. Sure, you can kill anything you touch as dead as it's possible to be, but if you blow a thousand points doing it and the other guy just runs away with most of his force and grabs other objectives it's more of a hinderance than a help.

I don't see a heavy melee unit in there; Tyrants are predominantly a shooty unit and using them as a powerfist squad is a waste of potential, and while Tacticals can chop up basic units pretty well throw them into someone else's proper melee units they will go down. Consider Terminators (Cataphractii are limited by their inability to Run and are best with a transport, Indomitus/Tartaros only have a 5++ but are a little more mobile), melee Contemptors, and possibly an Iron Circle maniple (Iron Warriors giant punchy doom robots) if you have something to build them out of?

Those rapier batteries also look like a good Iron Warriorsy type of unit. Are Contemptors used much in the IVth Legion?


Rapiers are very useful, especially in The Ironfire (Iron Warriors unique Rite). Contemptors are in use with every Legion.

And lastly are conversions frowned upon in 30k? Forgeworld isnt much in the budget any time soon but I’m always good at converting bits into useable units.


Conversions in 30k should follow the same general rules as conversions in 40k: the models should be about the same size as the thing they're representing (don't plonk down a Dreadnaught-sized model crammed onto a 40mm base and tell me it's a Terminator), equipped with something that looks about like what they're armed with (the man with giant axes and no visible guns shouldn't represent an Iron Havoc), and make at least a cursory nod to the aesthetics of the force if you aren't doing a large-scale total conversion. Obliterators as Tyrants sounds reasonable if you've given them an obvious Cyclone launcher, the big Obliterator as Perturabo I'm a little iffier on given how much bigger the official model is. Absent a picture the obvious thing to use that conversion as would be a Terminator-armoured Warsmith.

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If you're interested in running Rapiers and Medusas definitely invest in a siegebreaker. Aside from being one of the fluffiest consul options for Iron Warriors they unlock the ability to take phosphex shells in both weapon platforms which are unbelievably good and are one of the two requisite HQ options to run the Hammer of Olympia rite of war.

Other than that, I second a unit or two of Iron Havocs.

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Thank you for your inputs! I do plan on adding some proper shoulder bits and cyclone launchers on those old Obliterators, and changing the heads, adding the segmented loin armor too.

I think once I cut and pivot the big Obliterator body he'll be tall enough for Perturabo. The Primarchs certainly are tall!

Sounds like another Rhino, and a Medusa is in order....aaaaannnnd probably a Contemptor to punch big things. Siegebreaker is a must I see. If not a terminator he could ride in a Termite with a Troops unit maybe? I like the looks of those cuz they hold 12 guys.

Is this Ironfire ROW in that Book 6? I was looking at FW webstore and thought that was the right one.

What's the deal with this lot:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legiones-Astartes-Army-List-Collection-2017

Do I need this if I have Books 1 and 3?



   
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 Malathrim wrote:
... Is this Ironfire ROW in that Book 6? I was looking at FW webstore and thought that was the right one.

What's the deal with this lot:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legiones-Astartes-Army-List-Collection-2017

Do I need this if I have Books 1 and 3?...


The linked red books are the most current versions of the Legion list. Basics are similar to the core list in Book 1 but there are price changes (Assault Squads were grossly overpriced in Book 1, for instance), new units (Deredeo/Leviathan, off the top of my head), and a lot of Rites you won't have if you're just running from Book 1 and Book 3.

The Ironfire was first printed in Book 6 but is in the most current red book.

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Sounds like I need the newer red books then. Thanks!
   
 
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