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2023/04/07 17:55:43
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Back in 2nd edition the Squats appeared in the box set index but then never made it into a codex*. While I don't see an entire faction getting that treatment (maybe a subfaction??) this might be an opportunity for GW to give a unit basic rules in the index... and then say goodbye and never print them in the codex. Any thoughts on some units this might happen to?
* Yes, they came back one day... but not in the same form
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2023/04/07 19:53:12
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
2023/04/07 19:58:05
Subject: Re:What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
My guess is a lot of the space marine characters that got removed form sale with that "range rotation" that have never come back will be shunted off to legends/never receive new rules.
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2023/04/07 19:59:58
Subject: Re:What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
The Dark Eldar court of the Archon is hit by the double-whammy of being out of production for years and really too diverse/complicated to easily fit into the new datasheet scheme, which is probably a bad sign for their continued existance.
2023/04/07 20:16:22
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
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2023/04/07 20:57:10
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
I missed that, thanks for the heads up! That puts my worries a little at ease
2023/04/07 21:28:16
Subject: Re:What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Tsagualsa wrote: The Dark Eldar court of the Archon is hit by the double-whammy of being out of production for years and really too diverse/complicated to easily fit into the new datasheet scheme, which is probably a bad sign for their continued existance.
Have you never seen the WarCry or Underworlds warscrolls?
2023/04/07 21:44:14
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
More than a few of the Blackstone Fortress Character were subsumed into generic character rules. Both Thaddeus the Purifier and Pious Vorne are the models with the standard wargear for Adepta Sororitas units.
As for units being squatted, if you aren't on the GW website now, I wish you luck making the non-Legends cut in 10th Edition. If your wargear isn't included in your kit's assembly constructions, I wish you luck making it onto 10th Edition unit data card.
2023/04/07 22:51:48
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Unless they get a surprise overhaul, i don't expect inquisiton to make it besides a handful of characters and whatever FW hangs onto. The new box set really nails that home to me that they don't have any really intent to bring them up to standard. I'm sure they consider all the extra units and their issues with integration a pain, and the sheer breadth of options the Inqisitor unit and the Acolyte unit have really doesn't work with the new datasheet design. (Unless they kill the latter and restrict the former to just sword and Inferno Pistol since that's what the current model has)
2023/04/08 00:10:47
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
More than a few of the Blackstone Fortress Character were subsumed into generic character rules. Both Thaddeus the Purifier and Pious Vorne are the models with the standard wargear for Adepta Sororitas units.
As for units being squatted, if you aren't on the GW website now, I wish you luck making the non-Legends cut in 10th Edition. If your wargear isn't included in your kit's assembly constructions, I wish you luck making it onto 10th Edition unit data card.
I expect most of the Blackstone Fortress characters will get the Minka Lesk treatment treatment with an official suggestion to just sub them in for a normal model of the relevant type (probably the same for the various one-off alternate sculpt Sisters, Catachans, etc.).
2023/04/08 00:45:35
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
With the simplification of strats and the two page detachment structure, I'd say this is actually an edition to expnad all ranges, and I don't see them getting rid of anything.
I expect an Imperial Agents dex.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Lost and the Damned to balance it out either.
2023/04/08 00:55:04
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Space marines and Priamris, hear me out, I think they are going to remove the distinction between the two in terms of rules and strategems so the army will no longer feel like space marines with Numarines tacked on but feel more homogeneous.
2023/04/08 01:38:39
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
Mechanically the BSF units lost nothing rules wise by being Legends.
People just have this weird aversion to using Legends....
2023/04/08 08:35:08
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
Mechanically the BSF units lost nothing rules wise by being Legends.
People just have this weird aversion to using Legends....
I haven't used them in 9th edition because I really didn't get to play them, but the option to field a rouge trader together with some underlings as a group of exotic characters was really inspiring my painting projects. The issue for me wouldn't be legends, it's that the updated rules of the agents of the imperium removed the Blackstone fortress characters not available as generic characters in modern codices, e.g. Janus Draik or the Astropath. Getting legends rules would be noice enough for me, but I would prefer if GW would release an updated version for Agents rules including the missing characters (and fixing the issue that currently, rogue trader armies are impossible to build).
But I wouldn't be surprised if some units, like the Ambul, spindle drones out the Archivist will be forgotten in the transition.
2023/04/08 08:54:01
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
I missed that, thanks for the heads up! That puts my worries a little at ease
Well it was easy to miss, and unless i am missing something more official myself, it literally was the twitter social media person answering 'They're Legends, so they are going to continue' to the question what was going to happen to them in a sub-comment on something entire unrelated. That's not exactly what i would call an iron-clad commitment by GW.
On the other hand, maintaining the Legends stuff does not cost them anything (yes, theoretically some hours of labour to update things from now to then, but still practically nothing in the grand scheme of things) and is an easy solution for a lot of people, so keeping that is obviously the smart choice.
2023/04/08 09:06:25
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
I missed that, thanks for the heads up! That puts my worries a little at ease
Well it was easy to miss, and unless i am missing something more official myself, it literally was the twitter social media person answering 'They're Legends, so they are going to continue' to the question what was going to happen to them in a sub-comment on something entire unrelated. That's not exactly what i would call an iron-clad commitment by GW.
On the other hand, maintaining the Legends stuff does not cost them anything (yes, theoretically some hours of labour to update things from now to then, but still practically nothing in the grand scheme of things) and is an easy solution for a lot of people, so keeping that is obviously the smart choice.
Wow that's an extremely obscure announcement. Given that other posts of their community site has some details wrong, I will prepare for disappointment (but hope for a pleasant surprise).
I agree, it is some work but not much to keep a lot of people happy.
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2023/04/08 09:06:46
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
I missed that, thanks for the heads up! That puts my worries a little at ease
Well it was easy to miss, and unless i am missing something more official myself, it literally was the twitter social media person answering 'They're Legends, so they are going to continue' to the question what was going to happen to them in a sub-comment on something entire unrelated. That's not exactly what i would call an iron-clad commitment by GW.
On the other hand, maintaining the Legends stuff does not cost them anything (yes, theoretically some hours of labour to update things from now to then, but still practically nothing in the grand scheme of things) and is an easy solution for a lot of people, so keeping that is obviously the smart choice.
Here you go:
2023/04/08 09:08:11
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Brickfix wrote: A lot of the Blackstone fortress minis already lost a lot of rules representation, currently being treated a legends units I believe.
I would guess they won't get any updated rules for 10th edition
They’ve announced that Legends rules will be updated.
I missed that, thanks for the heads up! That puts my worries a little at ease
Well it was easy to miss, and unless i am missing something more official myself, it literally was the twitter social media person answering 'They're Legends, so they are going to continue' to the question what was going to happen to them in a sub-comment on something entire unrelated. That's not exactly what i would call an iron-clad commitment by GW.
On the other hand, maintaining the Legends stuff does not cost them anything (yes, theoretically some hours of labour to update things from now to then, but still practically nothing in the grand scheme of things) and is an easy solution for a lot of people, so keeping that is obviously the smart choice.
Here you go:
Excellent, thank you, so at least they said it multiple times and somewhat clearer than the one i was aware of.
2023/04/09 09:19:50
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
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Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2023/04/10 03:47:07
Subject: Re:What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Tsagualsa wrote: The Dark Eldar court of the Archon is hit by the double-whammy of being out of production for years and really too diverse/complicated to easily fit into the new datasheet scheme, which is probably a bad sign for their continued existance.
FFS man don't say that! I love my court. I'll divert attention away to old marines who are getting slow rolled into squated. Perhaps this is the edition..?
2023/04/10 05:26:14
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Lot of the remaining FW stuff that is in the FW index book but is now MIA from the website. Mostly a few versions of leman russ tanks and a few krieg options.
2023/04/10 05:47:56
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Dysartes wrote: Here's hoping that various units (mostly characters, admittedly) that have vanished from books during 9th will appear as Legends in 10th.
Pretty sure we already lost some legends units in the transition from 8th to 9th, I wouldn't be surprised to lose more. Might be a reason for me to not bother with 10th. It's GW's Job to give me rules for my toys, if they don’t want to do that I'll find someone who will (OPR).
2023/04/10 07:23:55
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
I don't have the 8th files to compare to the 9th ones, but I don't recall anyone mentioning that anything had vanished between the two.
I did have a list somewhere - that needs updating - of things we'd ID'd as previously having a model but not having rules in Legends. Perhaps I should track it down, update it, and then send it to GW again.
Not that I got a response the first time, admittedly.
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2023/04/10 09:08:28
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
Dysartes wrote: I don't have the 8th files to compare to the 9th ones, but I don't recall anyone mentioning that anything had vanished between the two.
I did have a list somewhere - that needs updating - of things we'd ID'd as previously having a model but not having rules in Legends. Perhaps I should track it down, update it, and then send it to GW again.
Not that I got a response the first time, admittedly.
For most armies, legends did not get an update in 9th at all. Stuff just disappeared and legends became incompatible to the new codex.
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2023/04/10 16:15:41
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
I am now trying to think up stupid answers to this question for comedic purposes. Some possibilities:
--Primaris Intercessors: The Troops selection for Marines is deemed to be too crowded, and an executive decision is made that a basic rifle squad is too boring to continue.
--Battlesuit Commanders: Tired of trying and failing to stop people spamming better Crisis suits GW decides that no, the Commander kit is now a mandatory sergeant upgrade to a now 4-model Crisis team and the only HQs shall be Fireblades and Ethereals. The continuing existence of Shadowsun and Farsight is unexplained.
--Flyrants: In order to make all Tyranid players re-buy all their HQs Hive Tyrants are walking-only now. Flyrants to return in 11e, when foot Hive Tyrants will no longer exist.
--The Monolith: One of the older, more senile people from GW's board forgot that they made a new one and insists they need to get rid of this ancient relic of the pre-5e Necrons, this is unchallenged by the design team.
--All Space Marines: From 10e Space Marines are now additional conversion sprues in Stormcast kits and are no longer their own models.
--All Eldar: A player who started Warhammer in 7e and has spent the intervening time nurturing a deep hatred for the Eldar as a result of that Codex is finally put into a position of power, and can finally wreak his vengeance by canning the entire line.
--Chaos Rhinos, Land Raiders, and other vehicles built on the Rhino chassis: Deemed too similar to the loyalist versions GW decides that to reduce redundancy they should delete the Chaos versions and replace them with something new and different, then forgets that they were going to do that by the time the Chaos book comes around and they get no new models.
To be honest I imagine all the finecast and metal models will be sunset. It would be weird to have rules for models that you can only order once every year at best. Especially if you want to support the tournament scene.
2023/04/10 18:33:24
Subject: What units are going to get Squatted in 10th edition?
I am a bit concerned about what will happen to the stuff in Codex: Imperial Armour. Tarantulas being a big kink for me, I'd hate to lose rules support for them, especially since under the smårgasbord army list rules of 10th edition, I could theoretically field up to 3 units of 3, which would be brilliant for my personal SM "headcanon"
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