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I would love to say that Custodes need more than they currently have, (They don't really, they're pretty close to balanced)

But In the order of things I'd love for them:

Jump pack Guardians
Jump pack Captians
Captains with Power Fists
Some form of Custodes Apothecary. (Not sure how this wouldn't be broken)


A Melta Pistol option for shield bois.

But please give us plastic Jumpy Custard bois.

As long as we're wishlisting:

1.fix the FW Terminators so their power fists are 2xstrength like everyone else. St8 on a custodes powerfist is just.....wrong.

2. Import more dreadnought options. We're the only 40k faction that still has a Contemptor Dreadnought. Can we please have all the options from the box?

3. Give the codex the FW Sagitarum.

4. A Custodes transport that is less than 200 points.

I think the best thing they could do for Custodes right now is to move more of their ForgeWorld kits over to plastic. It feels a shame to have almost half of the army in resin which not everyone wants to deal with.

I'd also love to see the Sisters of Silence side fleshed out a little more now that they are part of the codex.

unfortunately, i don't know how likely it is to be getting this stuff, at least right now. i said it in the N&R thread, but most likely, all we're getting for this new codex release is a melta captain and maybe melta spears as an upgrade sprue

but along that thread, i think a lot of the missing range could be handled with upgrade sprues. all the terminator stuff could be handled with upgrade sprues, as could the guard spears (guard spears could share a sprue, even)

we definitely need our jump packs in plastic, though. if we get that and the upgrade sprues and the telemon, i'll be satisfied


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 laeranshade wrote:


I'd also love to see the Sisters of Silence side fleshed out a little more now that they are part of the codex.

the problem is that even in HH, sisters don't really go any deeper than their single box of models in varying figurations. they would need a second kit before they can be a more significant part of the army (i think you could get away with a second kit, a few extra characters, and a big model. basically what grey knights have)

You're right, it's not something that we can reasonably expect to be in the next codex. However, I wonder if they might bring some of the range to plastic as part of the Horus Heresy releases (think much, much further down the line on this one). We've seen them bring heresy marines and now solar auxilia to plastic, perhaps the custodes too.

I'd love to see more sisters of silence kits. Maybe something like a command squad along the lines of the old space marine company command where you get some characters, a banner bearer, and some veterans with fancier armour.

StudentOfEtherium wrote:

Spoiler:

unfortunately, i don't know how likely it is to be getting this stuff, at least right now. i said it in the N&R thread, but most likely, all we're getting for this new codex release is a melta captain and maybe melta spears as an upgrade sprue

but along that thread, i think a lot of the missing range could be handled with upgrade sprues. all the terminator stuff could be handled with upgrade sprues, as could the guard spears (guard spears could share a sprue, even)

we definitely need our jump packs in plastic, though. if we get that and the upgrade sprues and the telemon, i'll be satisfied


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 laeranshade wrote:


I'd also love to see the Sisters of Silence side fleshed out a little more now that they are part of the codex.

the problem is that even in HH, sisters don't really go any deeper than their single box of models in varying figurations. they would need a second kit before they can be a more significant part of the army (i think you could get away with a second kit, a few extra characters, and a big model. basically what grey knights have)

And SOS do it much more fashionably!

But I feel like that's kinda all they'd really need.

Well that and an Aquisitor in plastic

Racerguy180 wrote:

StudentOfEtherium wrote:

Spoiler:

unfortunately, i don't know how likely it is to be getting this stuff, at least right now. i said it in the N&R thread, but most likely, all we're getting for this new codex release is a melta captain and maybe melta spears as an upgrade sprue

but along that thread, i think a lot of the missing range could be handled with upgrade sprues. all the terminator stuff could be handled with upgrade sprues, as could the guard spears (guard spears could share a sprue, even)

we definitely need our jump packs in plastic, though. if we get that and the upgrade sprues and the telemon, i'll be satisfied


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 laeranshade wrote:


I'd also love to see the Sisters of Silence side fleshed out a little more now that they are part of the codex.

the problem is that even in HH, sisters don't really go any deeper than their single box of models in varying figurations. they would need a second kit before they can be a more significant part of the army (i think you could get away with a second kit, a few extra characters, and a big model. basically what grey knights have)

And SOS do it much more fashionably!

But I feel like that's kinda all they'd really need.

Well that and an Aquisitor in plastic

i've never felt like the Aquisitor really fit the sisters well. it has a different aesthetic and vibe than they do, so it feels a bit odd as their transport. would rather they get something new and more fitting


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 laeranshade wrote:
You're right, it's not something that we can reasonably expect to be in the next codex. However, I wonder if they might bring some of the range to plastic as part of the Horus Heresy releases (think much, much further down the line on this one). We've seen them bring heresy marines and now solar auxilia to plastic, perhaps the custodes too.

I'd love to see more sisters of silence kits. Maybe something like a command squad along the lines of the old space marine company command where you get some characters, a banner bearer, and some veterans with fancier armour.

it seems like GW want HH and 40K to be two different games with different ranges. i'm not sure they would make the HH stuff available in plastic for 40K (although i would hope they would). i think whether or not we keep contemptors after the codex is going to be a big tell for this, since currently those are only for same in the HH section of the website, and not the 40K part

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I would love to say that Custodes need more than they currently have, (They don't really, they're pretty close to balanced)

But In the order of things I'd love for them:

Jump pack Guardians
Jump pack Captians
Captains with Power Fists
Some form of Custodes Apothecary. (Not sure how this wouldn't be broken)


A Melta Pistol option for shield bois.

But please give us plastic Jumpy Custard bois.

They do need more, not because of balance but because of variety and the rule of three. Jump troops are possible, but I'd prefer to see a sneaky Custodes unit first as the difference between a Phobos Custodes (for example) and a Jetbike Custodes is much larger than a Jetbike Custodes and a Jump Custodes: Stuff Id like to see:

Phobos/Scout type Custodes
Jet Attack Bike Custodes (two person Jetbike with a heavy weapon)
Devastator type Sisters of Silence

Breton wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I would love to say that Custodes need more than they currently have, (They don't really, they're pretty close to balanced)

But In the order of things I'd love for them:

Jump pack Guardians
Jump pack Captians
Captains with Power Fists
Some form of Custodes Apothecary. (Not sure how this wouldn't be broken)


A Melta Pistol option for shield bois.

But please give us plastic Jumpy Custard bois.

They do need more, not because of balance but because of variety and the rule of three. Jump troops are possible, but I'd prefer to see a sneaky Custodes unit first as the difference between a Phobos Custodes (for example) and a Jetbike Custodes is much larger than a Jetbike Custodes and a Jump Custodes: Stuff Id like to see:

Phobos/Scout type Custodes
Jet Attack Bike Custodes (two person Jetbike with a heavy weapon)
Devastator type Sisters of Silence

Custodians already have scouts. they're called sisters of silence. custodian power fists feel unnecessary, as do heavy jet bikes. a custodian power fist would have, what, S12? S14?

SoS devastators would be great, tho. giving the army a heavy weapon option while diversifying it through different unit types. could even be in the form of an upgrade sprue!

Custodes have Power Fists-on their FW Terminators.
And they’re the same strength as Marine fists. That ain’t right.

 JNAProductions wrote:
Custodes have Power Fists-on their FW Terminators.
And they’re the same strength as Marine fists. That ain’t right.

But not unexpected. We've got two tendencies in play both leading to this result: FW Datasheets don't get the attention to detail Codex datasheets do, AND GW revamped S/T bands, and has left some weapon types, and melee S especially behind as they calibrate the change. People have been giving Melta the side eye almost since release. I pointed out a while ago the Power/Chain Fist-types and the Thunderhammer types should probably have a Strike/Sweep profile setup. The Sweep can be more attacks at S8 (or Sx2) with lower (say Flat-two or D3 damage) and the Strike can be fewer attacks at S12 (less likely Sx3 but I'd avoid S15+ Fists) with higher damage per attack - Flat 4 or D6+1 or D6 rerollable or whatever)

Don't the Venatari count as Jump Pack Guardians? I know they're not plastic but there is so much the Custodes need before porting resin stuff over.

So the new release is hurtful, but not unexpected. What we wanted/needed, a new Non-HQ/Character unit that could be taken in more than 3-5 man squads, and was capable of AT or some form of mass anti-light infantry firepower. What we got:

1x single new Captain option. Which is a shield and melta spear, likely single shot, no special abilities, cannot be taken in groups. Also, judging by the sculpt, I'm willing to bet this is a stand alone character much like the Blade Champion. I guess that's that. Welp, this will certainly shift our numbers back above 50%....

at least as far as competitive is concerned, Custodes have been doing pretty good since the last datalsate. tho I agree this is overwhelming; I didn't go in with high expectations, so it's hard to be disappointed. with being nestled in between the kroot and DA releases, these were always going to be small


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 Rolsheen wrote:
Don't the Venatari count as Jump Pack Guardians? I know they're not plastic but there is so much the Custodes need before porting resin stuff over.

what Custodes need is porting resin stuff over. it's a complete range, otherwise, with plenty of options in its infantry and vehicles. I'd much rather we get our forge world stuff in plastic than something entirely new

Pretty much 0%. You're getting the new shield captain and nothing else.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
at least as far as competitive is concerned, Custodes have been doing pretty good since the last datalsate. tho I agree this is overwhelming; I didn't go in with high expectations, so it's hard to be disappointed. with being nestled in between the kroot and DA releases, these were always going to be small


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 Rolsheen wrote:
Don't the Venatari count as Jump Pack Guardians? I know they're not plastic but there is so much the Custodes need before porting resin stuff over.

what Custodes need is porting resin stuff over. it's a complete range, otherwise, with plenty of options in its infantry and vehicles. I'd much rather we get our forge world stuff in plastic than something entirely new

They need both - but they're really not a complete range. Every faction should be missing (something) whether it's big bads, hordes, fighters, shooters, sneakers, light vehicles/mounted, heavy vehicles, whatever. Each faction with a hole in their potential is good. But Custodes just don't have enough datasheets. I did some counting a while back and if I rememeber right they had more character "sheets" than they had "unit" sheets. Rule of 3 will limit them long before almost any other army - especially if you don't go Forgeworld. They need plastic, and they need more units/datasheets - preferably some sort of sneaky type, and some sort of ranged big bad killer.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Welp, this will certainly shift our numbers back above 50%....

They already are, last weeks meta monday showed a 53% overall with a 4 week average of 54%.

Importantly, you shouldn't want or expect the winrate to be consistently above 50%, you should hope for 50% on the nose.

That feel when kroot have a similar number of models in plastics as custodes do.

Karol wrote:
That feel when kroot have a similar number of models in plastics as custodes do.

There's a lot of intellectual dishonesty in that statement. Kroot have been waiting 20 years for anything and don't have any forgeworld or 30k support to top them up. In fact kroot had almost lost as many units in 20 years as custodes have plastic kits.

Dudeface wrote:

Karol wrote:
That feel when kroot have a similar number of models in plastics as custodes do.

There's a lot of intellectual dishonesty in that statement. Kroot have been waiting 20 years for anything and don't have any forgeworld or 30k support to top them up. In fact kroot had almost lost as many units in 20 years as custodes have plastic kits.

I think the point was that Kroot aren't even a "full" or "stand-alone" faction like Custodes as an example of how bad the model support for Custodes is.

Dudeface wrote:

Karol wrote:
That feel when kroot have a similar number of models in plastics as custodes do.

There's a lot of intellectual dishonesty in that statement. Kroot have been waiting 20 years for anything and don't have any forgeworld or 30k support to top them up. In fact kroot had almost lost as many units in 20 years as custodes have plastic kits.

And custodes have been waiting for their models, excluding 3ed party ones, for how long ? Their only models came out in early or pre 2ed. Isn't that 30+ years of waiting. Or do you want me to count Voldus, the termintor box, the power armoured box, Crow and NDK, and then come to some conclusions about what entire factions have in their lines ups comparing to kroot with their kroot dogs, kill team teams, regular dudes, big dudes ridden by small kroot , limited models and models in side games. It is mind blowing how much "model time" they spend on something that isn't even a faction.

Karol wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Karol wrote:
That feel when kroot have a similar number of models in plastics as custodes do.

There's a lot of intellectual dishonesty in that statement. Kroot have been waiting 20 years for anything and don't have any forgeworld or 30k support to top them up. In fact kroot had almost lost as many units in 20 years as custodes have plastic kits.

And custodes have been waiting for their models, excluding 3ed party ones, for how long ? Their only models came out in early or pre 2ed. Isn't that 30+ years of waiting. Or do you want me to count Voldus, the termintor box, the power armoured box, Crow and NDK, and then come to some conclusions about what entire factions have in their lines ups comparing to kroot with their kroot dogs, kill team teams, regular dudes, big dudes ridden by small kroot , limited models and models in side games. It is mind blowing how much "model time" they spend on something that isn't even a faction.

Both grey knights and custodes need more stuff and nobody will argue that. But to pick on kroot for getting kits is the hill you want to die on?

Kroot had an independent army list/codex in 2004, they've been an integral part of the tau empire since launch.

The old custodes had a model in rogue trader that was listed as "imperial bodyguard" and in no way resembles the force or fluff they had later on.

We get it, you want more grey knights stuff, but you shouldn't pick on other outdated ranges getting things for once.

Karol wrote:
And custodes have been waiting for their models, excluding 3ed party ones, for how long ? Their only models came out in early or pre 2ed. Isn't that 30+ years of waiting.

What?

Could somebody help a guy out here, as I can't seem to parse this in any way coherent with the reality I'm living in?

Catulle wrote:

Karol wrote:
And custodes have been waiting for their models, excluding 3ed party ones, for how long ? Their only models came out in early or pre 2ed. Isn't that 30+ years of waiting.

What?

Could somebody help a guy out here, as I can't seem to parse this in any way coherent with the reality I'm living in?

Translation: Kroot getting models but waiting 20 years doesn't count as being worth while over custodes not getting more stuff, due to the 30 year gap between the rogue trader custode and their 7th(?) Ed kit dropping. Insert random "Woe my grey knights" and you're about there.

Thanks, I think I preferred ignorance!

kroot definitely deserved to get new models before us. the custodes range is fine. some of it is outdated, definitely, but it still holds up fine enough. there's many other armies in need of big updates before GW ever gets back to us. we can at least buy our models, so if nothing else, drukhari should be going first

Yeah, there is really no reason to give Custodes a refresh, like at all. I just wanted the FW models brought over to plastic.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Yeah, there is really no reason to give Custodes a refresh, like at all. I just wanted the FW models brought over to plastic.

I don't think most people are calling for a refresh so much as an expansion. More different bodies/bases for more units with more data sheets.

I still don't think that's necessary before we get our FR options in plastic. guard spears, terminator options, jumppacks, and dreads are the bare minimum we need in plastic before we start getting wholly new things

Breton wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Yeah, there is really no reason to give Custodes a refresh, like at all. I just wanted the FW models brought over to plastic.

I don't think most people are calling for a refresh so much as an expansion. More different bodies/bases for more units with more data sheets.

Right, I was more responding to a point made I think in jest by someone responding to Karol. I don't recall the 7 layer cheese dip of replies that got me to say that, but I don't want new models, I just want what we have, in plastic. And not in single use Character models at 45$ a pop only sold in Combat patrol boxes. ***Deep breaths**** I am a pebble in a lake.....