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Am I missing something, or it is impossible to make Legio Cybernetica themed army in actual 40k? As in lore there is bunch of battle automats used by remaining LC divisions, in actual 40k we have only Kastelan robots. Most of battle robots are relased into Horus Heresy game, and has no rules in 40k as far as I know. Is there something I don't understand properly, or the only one unit from Legio Cybernetica at this moment are Kastelan Robots and Datasmith? Or maybe I misunderstood the lore and Kastelans are the only robots that remain, wich I doubt?

You are correct, unless you wish to convert a Legio Cybernetica Cohort and proxy it as some other army.

You could say your Forge World was isolated from the rest of the Mechanicus by warp storms or discovered stored automatons from the time of the Heresy in a stasis vault.

The main difference between the units of the 30K Legio Cybernetica and 40K Kastelans is that the 30K units use technology that skirts close to the edge of AI (or possibly crosses it), whereas the 40K Kastelans are clearly more limited due to being controlled by doctrina wafers.

If your Forge World uses the old constructs or discovers and uses them, they risk being branded as heretical by the Mechanicus and might be forced to secede and survive on their own or throw in their lot with the Dark Mechanicum.

Kinda, on the skirting AI.

Castellax and that are, on paper, smarter than Kastellan. No argument there. But left on their own, they’re not terribly reactive. They still require human(ish) guidance to achieve their full combat potential.

What I’m not sure of is whether, like the Kastellan, the Heresy Era Automata had neural tissue as part of their worky brain bits.

So GW literally made it... they made whole lore about Legio Cybernetica and relased one kit related to it. Damn, sometimes i think AdMech is the most neglected army in 40k

I mean, there were like four other types of robots released around the same time as the original Castellan figure during 1st edition. My guess is that sales of the plastic Kastellan didn’t justify more updated kits. Or maybe they just haven’t gotten around to it yet.

 Magos Nintendus wrote:
So GW literally made it... they made whole lore about Legio Cybernetica and relased one kit related to it. Damn, sometimes i think AdMech is the most neglected army in 40k

Everything I look at the amazing HH Mechanicum models, I wonder why they can't slap a legends tag on them all and let me use them in 40k.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Magos Nintendus wrote:
So GW literally made it... they made whole lore about Legio Cybernetica and relased one kit related to it. Damn, sometimes i think AdMech is the most neglected army in 40k

Everything I look at the amazing HH Mechanicum models, I wonder why they can't slap a legends tag on them all and let me use them in 40k.

Yeah, exactly. I love 40k Admech, but minis are kinda cheap. They don't have this vibe we have seen on illustrations trough codex, too little cybernetic abominations, too lot of "Skitarii but..." minis (Skitarii but long legs, Skitarii but on horses, Skitarii but with blades). And Mechanicum models for 30k are perfect, really. It gives true feeling of AdMech. They should really merge it a bit if they don't want to relase new 40k admech models

While the obvious IRL reason the Mechancicum units aren't in 40k is the range separation, for a background reason I like to think the reason Automata were relegated and Skitarii promoted is due to developments of the Heresy.

Cybernetica cohorts were commonplace enough and there were a huge variety of machines in service to the Mechanicum.
However, as the Heresy ground on it became clear that the various Automata weren't as simple as once believed.
On both sides of the conflict there are examples of Automata cohorts bereft of their Techpriest masters acting with far more competency and ability than should have been possible.
Then with the advent of Daemon engines and possessed Automata this phenomenon only increased.

Yes Skitarii units served the Dark Mechanicum but being augmented human soldiers, a higher degree of self awareness and decision making is to be expected.
For the Automata however, this was tantamount to Abominable Intelligence.

As such, when the conflict ended and the Mechanicus was reordered, those Automata that utilised the Cortex Controller technology were either locked away or destroyed.
The Mechanicus supplemented this loss by expanding the arsenal of the Skitarii and using only Kastellan robots that could be controlled with the Data Wafer technology instead to prevent any sort of machine rebellion again.

Just my two pennies on the whole dealio.

 Magos Nintendus wrote:
So GW literally made it... they made whole lore about Legio Cybernetica and released one kit related to it.

At £50 for a pack of 2, there's why they are not bought more often.
A pair of Necromunda Ogryns are £29 (without a handler model) which are a similar size, so the price is artificially raised.

If more types were to be released, more people would have had to buy the Kastellan kit, but the price puts them off.
I'd certainly buy them though, as I have the Kastellans, as the initial unit in any Ad Mech army I would make.

There's nothing stopping you from using them in friendly games or as part of a narrative campaign. Radical Tech-Priests may revive them from a stasis vault or recreate them.

Alternatively you could try coming up with 40K downgraded versions of them using data wafers to enable them to conform to the Mechanicus orthodoxy.

When the Heresy was in full swing, untold thousands of Automata were destroyed in the ensuing conflict. And being barely understood, they’re an example of yet more lost technology.

We were to get 40K rules in Imperial Armour, Fires of Cyraxus, but that never came to fruition despite being teased at Warhammerfest. Sadly, the untimely passing of Alan Bligh seemed to put a pin in FW’s books at that point.

Me? I’m awaiting a greater plasticification of the other Heresy era Automata. The Castellax and Thanatar are superb kits to build and paint, and I do fancy an all robot face stomping army.

Thought this might be of intrest..


Edit- its from White Dwarf 109 which had the Imperial Guard codex in it; human bombs an' all!

And as if by magic?

Yep, £2.50 each, not £25.00 each (with a free handler).
I know, inflation and whatnot, but they were metal, and chunky at that.

Background-wise, I've got nothing on why they don't do the others.

Not just inflation, but overheads.

These are from a time when GW had few stores. And the stores were, possibly still are, but definitely were the secret to their success.

Added to the overheads, but ensure any spod wandering in was only exposed to your toys.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And as if by magic?

THIS is what I needed in 10ed for legio cybernetica :( It is just me or 02 looks like Titan?

Don't forget there are also Palentine Battle Automata used in Necromunda by the local cops.

So, there's more automata out there being used.

Those are cyborgs, as they use cranial remnants from squished Enforcers.

Robocop dreadnoughts?

 Skinnereal wrote:
Robocop dreadnoughts?

Robocop 2 (Without the Drugs)

Pretty much, yeah.

Seems to be similar technology to an Ambot, just with whatever remains of Human Thinky Bits.