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GW's nwe IP-Policiy forbids any kind of Fanwork Movies and Films.
It is ours now to show that we are not willing to let that happen to us.
Today it's the movies, tomorrow they may get the idea of forbidding any Fanwork stories and Fluffworks.
The whole community sat still far enough - now it is time to show them that we aren't the mindless consume-kiddies they like to think we are.

So spread this message to all forums you know and do your part.
Contact the press if you have any connnections!
We will not go down quietly in the night!

For the Emperor! For Damnatus! But mostly - FOR US!


http://www.damnatus.com
http://www.forenplanet.de/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19488
http://www.forenplanet.de/showthread.php?s...5669#post525669

that's a terrible decision by GW. I can see why they made it, I just can't agree with it.

Cry me a river and call me when you have a real problem.

??? After you beg Kirby with hat in hand, you now want to knuckle up with them?

Why don't you take the smart approach and let your lawyers get together with them and show them the financial goldmine that a movie, and possible features or a series would give them. The only issue you have is cash. Kirby can be bought, he's already shown that. You just have to figure out how much hes going to take out of your pocket, though...

Trust me, as any GW game player can tell you, bring your own lube.

Wait, we're not allowed to violate GW's IP whenever we feel like it? But what about the spirit of the game???

Roll a D6 for it, or call Mail Order for a ruling on that one.

Posted By Grot 6 on 07/11/2007 7:02 AM
... call Male Order for a ruling on that one.

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- Salvage ... and his soft spot for Ty Finnocociaioado and his chunky glasses

Good luck lads, but barring a change in the law I don't see much hope for ye.
A GW film isn't high on my want list. But I think it's a shame for all the work you put into it to go to waste. A damn shame.

With due respect, the Damntus guys should just say screw you GW and release the movie via the web. There is tons of stuff that GW fans would love to see, but at the speed that GW takes to release a Codex you would have to live 3 life times for them to get up to speed with the stuff the fans want to see.

Wait.... you didn't get GW's permission in writing before investing so much time and effort?

It's hard to feel much sympathy in that case. GW makes LotR too, but I think someone might get upset if I made an animated version of the Two Towers.

And no, I don't think this ruling means that your yaoi fanfic about Gaunt and Rawne is likely to be threatened.

When the project started, they contact GW for the OK, it took 2 + years for them to say no.

So technically, you can still release the movie if you blur any GW "IP" like the aquilla, and then sensor any non-common words (relplace Space Marine with Devil Dog?). You can then claim that it is a different sci-fi movie all together.

I don't see how the company can make any other decision, given that in English law a copyright must be defended or control is effectively ceded.

Yup. the only thing they could have done was make the decision a lot faster, and save the DAMNATUS crew so much work.

A shame, as I was looking forward to Damnatus...  I hope it pops up on YouTube... Something like that should be seen.

I don't buy it. Whats to stop GW from specifically given permission for the release of the film?

 

According to German IP law, as I understand it, then the makers of the film own part of that property.

If I take a picture of your wife naked, then I get access to her as much as you do.

And the makers of the film apparently cannot waive those rights.

So before you complain about GW, you have to realize they are protecting their rights. I suggest writing the German legislators and tell them to change their laws.

 

 

Or don't release it in Germany. Release it in China where it can be pirated properly...

Seriously, its a fan film, big deal. Their junk is not going to be copied in Germany. Its going to be copied in Asia and Eastern Europe, and the publication on a fan film will not impact the economic calculus of those companies.

I guess Transformers viewed in Germany either then. Wouldn't want Michael Bay to suddenly have an ownership interest in Porsche and GM.

 

I think this means it's time to make as many fan movies as possible.

 

So I make a movie of your car in Germany. When you sell that car, I can come forward and say, I get X% of that money.

 

Just an example, not a true example of how IP works, but the principal is the same, I guess.

 

 

Posted By General Hobbs on 07/11/2007 12:59 PM

 

According to German IP law, as I understand it, then the makers of the film own part of that property.

If I take a picture of your wife naked, then I get access to her as much as you do.

And the makers of the film apparently cannot waive those rights.

So before you complain about GW, you have to realize they are protecting their rights. I suggest writing the German legislators and tell them to change their laws.

 

 

What § of the BGB is that from? I wouldn't mind reading it for myself.

Wait....were you Damnatus guys actually expecting to make money off of this movie, or were you just doing it because it was a cool idea?

If you guys were actually expecting to distribute the film for money, then I will say wholeheartedly that that was a mistake, and would have said the same at the start of the project.

Now, if GW has just banned all not-for-profit fan films....that's yet another lame decision from a company that consistently makes lame decisions.


If you guys were just doing this as a labor of love, I have a lot of respect for that and think it's a really cool idea, and it sucks to get shafted by GW at the last minute.

But honestly, if you guys were expecting to cash in on this thing, that was a very foolish idea.

It's not like we're dealing with blueprints for an atomic bomb, for Khorne's sake. It's a friggin fan-based CGI movie.

Find a web server in a remote pacific island, release the movie, voilà .
The time they manage to close the whole thing - and frankly, I even doubt they can - everyone and his dog will have a copy on his hard drive. e-Mule and others will do the rest.

I don't know how much money GW is willing to spend to worsen even more its already awful reputation, but it can only get ridiculous to a point. And I doubt official and legal would bother much.

WH40K is a stunning and colorful creation, so is Middle Earth, and there are countless other examples of great worlds of fluff!!!

The lesson all of these features has shown us, as miniature collectors, wargamers, roleplayers, visionaries all...is that we should create and be creative.....

DAMNATUS, you failed, simply because you based your dream on the dreams of someone else, you stole an idea in which to base your own ideas off....you call in fan made movie, but its I.P theft......its almost like I go to your house, steal your car and drive it to my favorite theme park

At the end of the day, WH40K belongs to GW, enjoy it as they intend you to, but it doesn't give you the right to create anything based on it!!

Create something new that rivals WH40K, that shakes it to its very foundations. Create something new that you can own, and decide on its future.....

well it could be considered a violation of the first amendment (freedom of speech) but sadly they are in germany

Posted By Hordini on 07/11/2007 2:24 PM
Wait....were you Damnatus guys actually expecting to make money off of this movie, or were you just doing it because it was a cool idea?

If you guys were actually expecting to distribute the film for money, then I will say wholeheartedly that that was a mistake, and would have said the same at the start of the project.

Now, if GW has just banned all not-for-profit fan films....that's yet another lame decision from a company that consistently makes lame decisions.


If you guys were just doing this as a labor of love, I have a lot of respect for that and think it's a really cool idea, and it sucks to get shafted by GW at the last minute.

But honestly, if you guys were expecting to cash in on this thing, that was a very foolish idea.

I think the issue is more that under the IP laws for movies made there, they would be entitled to a percentage of any sales for any items featured in the movie. So if there was a space marine in it, then anything having to do with space marines entitles them to a percentage of money from sales etc.

Posted By upliftingprimer on 07/11/2007 3:08 PM
well it could be considered a violation of the first amendment (freedom of speech) but sadly they are in germany

Try making your own rip-off 40K, or Harry Potter or Batman movie and see how far arguing free speech will get you.

If they made a parody they'd be ok. At least here in the US, parody is protected by Free Speech.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Isn't the Emperor of a million worlds who sits on the Golden Throne the IP of the Herbert estate?

Once again GW bigwigs cheese off their fanbase for no good commercial reason. It wasn't that the German lawyers couldn't agree, but that the "higher ups" were to uptight. Couldn't see the larger benefits of good PR but could only stick their heads up their collective behinds and fear for the "dilution" of their oh-so-precious IP (which is bleeding support faster than a stuck pig, judging by their tumbling turnover figures).

Yet another classic business decision brought to you by the people who gave you rolling 20% price hikes and the nerfing of WD...

So thi sis how they plan to please their "core customers" eh? Fools...

I just don't get it. It seems like a film would boost sales. What were those flicks that came out a few years back? Lord of the something or other?