Hey guys. Jeremy here, formerly of Ultraforge. I am here to humbly pitch the Kickstarter campaign for my miniatures company called: Creature Caster.
After researching, following and supporting a few Kickstarter campaigns, I found that I am not a fan of complex campaigns with confusing stretch goal maps and pledge calculators. Tho there is a story behind each miniature, I didn't write pages of fluff. I also don't want to explain too much about my personal life in my campaign. Instead, I spend my time trying to sculpt and manufacture the best miniatures I can, and with feedback and practice I can hopefully make gains and improve with each one.
I love this hobby. My best friends are the people in this hobby. I wanna make models that people appreciate, and it is really that simple.
Most questions you have regarding the sculpting, manufacture and sales of the miniatures can be found on http://www.creaturecaster.com/ . If anything is not covered on the site, just post your questions here and I will be glad to answer it as soon as I can. I also posted some more information below.
Most importantly, thank you very much for your support.
Jeremy
UPDATE
The Kickstarter launch date has been announced: April 19th. That is Easter weekend. I will hit the launch button at 12:00 noon Eastern standard/daylight time (New York).
The sculpts are all at least as good (actually they're better but goddam even those were great), as the stuff you did while running Ultraforge, very much looking forward to how the package deals look so I know how poor I'll be by the end of February.
Will the models be stuck to the rock bases or are they separate and you glue them onto them? So if I wanted to I could switch out the rock base with say a slayed enemy or such?
I've bought all the please and plague demons Ultraforge put out and I'm looking forwards to these but I'm worried about the size.
Sure you have the measurements on your website but that doesn't exactly give a good picture. Would it be possible to have one of your models next to an Ultraforge one or a 28mm heroic model?
I'd like to see Arushnee next to the Pleasure Demon and Ganadhar next to the plague demon.
Next to a GW daemon prince would be cool as well as not everyone owns the above mentioned minis.
From the size picture I get the impression these are extremely big, more like the Greater Daemons from Forge World rather than the normal daemon princes GW makes.
I will probably pick up 1 of each of the ones I've talked about. It would however be really cool if you made 28mm or 32mm versions of them. If you did that I would probably pick up 3-5 of each. Then again it all comes down to price.
You did touch on the subject of making smaller models, can you say anything else on what scale you have been thinking about or is it too early to even talk about?
Will there be any dynamic to the models? They all look very static, I assume Arushnees mantis arms can be posed somewhat as it seems they might be ball jointed and maybe the arms can be posed up or down.
How many parts do the minis come in? Any alternative parts for any of them? Will the hands holding the weapons be one piece or will we get open hands you put the weapons in? I assume the hands holding weapons will be one piece, would you consider adding alternative hands as stretch goals or simply include them in the kickstarter? Simply an empty hand so you could add your own flavour without having to cut and drill out the standard weapon.
I know it's annoying to cast empty hands but please consider it, just 1 extra hand can add allot to customization of a model.
If there's one thing I hate it's when my big expensive super model I've spent days painting looks exactly the same as my opponents but with a different paint scheme.
Will the models be stuck to the rock bases or are they separate and you glue them onto them?
The models are attached to the rock base.
I've bought all the please and plague demons Ultraforge put out and I'm looking forwards to these but I'm worried about the size.
Don't let their size intimidate you
Sure you have the measurements on your website but that doesn't exactly give a good picture. Would it be possible to have one of your models next to an Ultraforge one or a 28mm heroic model?
We could certainly take more photos of the models we already have printed, next to familiar scales, for sure. We will update the thread, our social media and the website when we have these shots to show you.
From the size picture I get the impression these are extremely big, more like the Greater Daemons from Forge World rather than the normal daemon princes GW makes.
Exactly. Our demons, in some cases, are Forge World sized, often a touch smaller.... but our miniatures are much more playable due to their small footprint.. You can actually put them on a 50 x 50. Since they are so huge on such a small footprint, we require a counterweight in the form of the rock base. These are all conscious decisions that were made in order to optimize the balance between work of art and wargame miniature.
I will probably pick up 1 of each of the ones I've talked about. It would however be really cool if you made 28mm or 32mm versions of them. If you did that I would probably pick up 3-5 of each. Then again it all comes down to price.
We could make smaller version of these models, but this would require a re-design since narrow parts become far too narrow and fragile one a mini is scaled down. These particular models are designed to be the most massive and visually impressive models you can fit onto a relativity small base (50 x 50, or in the case of the dragons 50 x 75)
You did touch on the subject of making smaller models, can you say anything else on what scale you have been thinking about or is it too early to even talk about?
We have had a lot of demand for a regiment of models as sexy as Arushnee. We have had a lot of demand for Demon Prince sized models. That is most probably what we will work on next.
Will there be any dynamic to the models? They all look very static, I assume Arushnees mantis arms can be posed somewhat as it seems they might be ball jointed and maybe the arms can be posed up or down.
I am surprised that you find our models to be lacking dynamic. All of them are balanced compositions, in asymmetrical poses, most of them are on angled surfaces, have energy and direction, some even have tensed muscles in the limbs that are working and relaxed limbs for the ones hanging. They are certainly more dynamic than the models I sculpted for Ultraforge. I don't know what more I could do.
Will the hands holding the weapons be one piece or will we get open hands you put the weapons in?
All models come with their weapons and there will be no variations available from us in the future. The weapons are specific to the creature, and are important to us as artists as another means of explaining the creatures character. With the time it takes to make weapon variations, we would rather just make an entirely new creature.
If there's one thing I hate it's when my big expensive super model I've spent days painting looks exactly the same as my opponents but with a different paint scheme.
In terms of originality, even if thousands of people bought these models, you will still be the only person in your hobby store with one.
If your opponent ALSO has a Creature Caster miniature, all respect due, but those are the kinds of problems I WANT to have. jk
Thanks for your questions and comments, and most of all your support.
Yeeeeahhh... I'll be putting a Dark Elf Dreadlord on that Prothero dragon... Beats the frack out of GW's Black Dragon, plus it also gives that look of landing on a rocky outcrop on a beach head in Ulthuan..a dreadlord directing his forces into the melee.
Quick question; will you be adding some more detail to the feathered wings of the bird-daemon? From the pictures they seem a little flat and featureless, especially when set against the excellent details on the rest of the creature(painting all of those eyeballs is going to be fun, hah).
I understand you might want to leave the feathers fairly flat to allow people to paint interesting designs on them, but frankly some of us aren't good enough painters to make feathers look convincing without some texture to help.
MadCowCrazy wrote: If there's one thing I hate it's when my big expensive super model I've spent days painting looks exactly the same as my opponents but with a different paint scheme..
You don't have to leave that up to the company making them... I already have some very tempting conversion ideas floating around in my head for a couple of these...
I have gotten a few requests for a signature banner that you can use to help us promote our campaign. Just copy/paste this code into your signature and thank you very much for your support....
CreatureCaster wrote: I have gotten a few requests for a signature banner that you can use to help us promote our campaign. Just copy/paste this code into your signature and thank you very much for your support....
Done & done.
Now just start the ruddy thing - I need that plague demon!!
None of the models I've seen are anything I have a need for. So I doubt i will be supporting the KS. I just wanted to say, though, that I support YOU in this. I have a couple of them old UF models, and the work you do is incredible.
I'll be keeping an eye on you guys and for what you come out with in the future.
Personally offended by the implications of the original poster's post.
As far as I can tell, it's a sculptor saying, "I refuse to let minor concerns like playability constrain how I design a model, even though I'm selling war gaming models."
solkan wrote: Personally offended by the implications of the original poster's post.
As far as I can tell, it's a sculptor saying, "I refuse to let minor concerns like playability constrain how I design a model, even though I'm selling war gaming models."
It does come off as a little fingers-in-ears, head-in-sand.
But that said, they are his models. He can sculpt them the way he pleases and there is nothing in this world that is forcing you to buy one.
solkan wrote: Personally offended by the implications of the original poster's post.
As far as I can tell, it's a sculptor saying, "I refuse to let minor concerns like playability constrain how I design a model, even though I'm selling war gaming models."
Offended? Wow. That's a pretty severe reaction to an artist making what he wants to make.
Look at it like this; he's saying, "I know that small factors, like fractions of an inch, are important to some people when they're using models for gaming. I don't feel that way, personaly. These models are designed and sculpted to look GOOD, first and foremost. Just thought you should be made aware of that in advance, so you don't buy something that won't work for your purposes, in case you're one of those people."
solkan wrote: Personally offended by the implications of the original poster's post.
As far as I can tell, it's a sculptor saying, "I refuse to let minor concerns like playability constrain how I design a model, even though I'm selling war gaming models."
If that's all it takes to "personally offend" you then I'd hate to see your reaction to the above 2 posters disagreeing with you...
MagickalMemories wrote: Look at it like this; he's saying, "I know that small factors, like fractions of an inch, are important to some people when they're using models for gaming. I don't feel that way, personaly. These models are designed and sculpted to look GOOD, first and foremost. Just thought you should be made aware of that in advance, so you don't buy something that won't work for your purposes, in case you're one of those people."
Yeah, Games Workshop's sculptors seem to work under the same philosophy... they're just not as upfront about it.
I think there's plenty of room in the market for miniatures that are just designed to look good.
solkan wrote: Personally offended by the implications of the original poster's post.
As far as I can tell, it's a sculptor saying, "I refuse to let minor concerns like playability constrain how I design a model, even though I'm selling war gaming models."
Let me get this straight...you're "personally offended"?!!!
How can you take anything in the OP as aimed at you?
Further, how was any of it offensive in any way, shape or form?
Looks really good! I look forward to the Kickstarter. The glabrezu ('belshazu') looks awesome. I have the Ultraforge vrock and this will be a good accompaniment.
Buttlerthepug wrote: I believe he mentioned on the Facebook page that the saddle-less dragons might be something that happens as a stretch goal, though it is not 100%.
Wow Jeremy, the translation to digital model building has not hampered your ability what so ever! These all look gorgeous! I think I have enough 'stand in' GUO's to fill my own garden of nurgle. But I'll still be picking up a few of these great models. And here I hoped this year would yield less 'must have' kickstarters, and now I'm already shelling it out for metal beards, and these guys. It's a lot of hard earned money that I'm happy to put into cool and imaginative products.
Maybe I can run a kickstarter of my own to pay off my mortgage?
My word I was expecting a bit bigger but that really is quite large. Still think they're a little on the small side to use as the gargantuans with perhaps the exception of the slaanesh stand in, so at least they won't be too insane as greater daemon replacements. Especially as if GW did do new ones they'd inevitably be larger than the current iterations.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: My word I was expecting a bit bigger but that really is quite large. Still think they're a little on the small side to use as the gargantuans with perhaps the exception of the slaanesh stand in, so at least they won't be too insane as greater daemon replacements. Especially as if GW did do new ones they'd inevitably be larger than the current iterations.
That's what I was thinking as well. I'm thinking of picking one of them up and then building a Chaos Demon army around it..
Some well thought out points in this latest video;
I think that he has the right of it on the names: my one big complaint about Mierce's kickstarters is that I find the names impenetrable, which leaves me hunting for updates with pictures when the discussion about specific changes and things occurs.
Really looking forward to this KS. Only really pledged to Red Box before, and that was a bumpy ride (though it delivered in the end), but Ultraforge had some great models and I'm glad to see Jeremy's still at it. The old Greater Plague Demon is one of my favorite models ever and I've got a Vrock lying around that still needs to be painted. I remember seeing thumbnails of WIPs of Arushnee and Ganadhar years ago, and I've been wondering what the hell happened to them ever since.
Anyway, Arushnee and Morbat are literally perfect and far better than anything that's come out of GW recently. Balrogoth is great, maybe a little cliched. Only improvement I could think of for him would be some (minimal) armor, although maybe those skulls on his arms and legs would look good painted bronze. I'd also prefer an axe to a sword but that's a minor quibble. NOT much of a fan of Ganadhar, I don't really care for the gutmouth or the way he's standing on those stumpy little legs - always assumed *ahem* "Greater Plague Demons" just kind of slid around like slugs or something, pulling themselves along on what legs they had rather than walking, and the empty space beneath him takes away from the idea that he's a giant mountain of rot. Glad to hear he's being re-thought, though. Love the dragons, and I think Belshazu is really the best sculpt out of all of them (really nice details and a great pose), but I don't have a use for them at the moment.
Hoping to get in on one of those early bird deals. Definitely pledging for Arushnee and Morbat, Balrogoth is seriously tempting - not having a good Bloodthirster stand-in has been one of the main things stopping me from painting my Daemon army. Also laziness.
I'm more saddened by the fact that Rot Demon wont be available at the start, but rather as a stretch goal. Aside from him being a bit too big, I thought the model was absolutely perfect.
And what is "Midnight on the 1st?" Midnight being problematic with differing interpretations of which day it falls on. (don't bother telling me when you think it is - it only matters when CC is calling it!)
Check out the campaign when it launches on Feb 1st, 12:01 PST. There will be door-crasher specials on the first day, and those units will sell out fast, so be there the minute it launches.
PST seems like a pretty definitive time frame. Shouldn't be any quarrels as to when those early birds are happening. So Friday/Saturday depending on how you want to look at it.
Man, I'm torn on this one. I love the sculpts, but they're just too big to use as greater daemons for my army... at least not without giving my opponent a huge advantage. I can't really see myself buying minis that I won't use. :|
Check out the campaign when it launches on Feb 1st, 12:01 PST. There will be door-crasher specials on the first day, and those units will sell out fast, so be there the minute it launches.
PST seems like a pretty definitive time frame. Shouldn't be any quarrels as to when those early birds are happening. So Friday/Saturday depending on how you want to look at it.
PST? Whaaa?
I mean, perhaps I'm being East-Coast centric but... 3AM? I thought this company was in Toronto (which is on the East Coast and EST). Who is this convenient for?
EDIT: And I am almost certainly wrong about the Toronto thing, since in the scale video they are at a Vancouver store (which is on the West coast).
Still, from a business perspective, I honestly think having it at 9 local time (midnight East coast) is a fair sight better then having the East coast be asleep. Really convenient for continental Europe, I guess...
I really do think that all Kickstarters should be banned from Dakka. It's clear that, from a psychological perspective, we just can't handle them. I mean, this one hasn't started and we're already complaining about the start time.
Azazelx wrote: le sigh. Canadian shipping and Early Birds.
You'd better pre-withdraw your pledge on this one Az. Save yourself the bellyache.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really do think that all Kickstarters should be banned from Dakka. It's clear that, from a psychological perspective, we just can't handle them. I mean, this one hasn't started and we're already complaining about the start time.
Maybe we can have a separate section just for KS & Indigo's?
Yodhrin wrote: Oh crud, it didn't occur to me that these guys are Canadian, the shipping on these is going to be atrocious isn't it :(
Can anyone confirm this? I was really looking forward to these (not-so-mini-)miniatures, but a quick look at Canadian shipping costs has seen me change my mind VERY quickly about buying one of these...
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really do think that all Kickstarters should be banned from Dakka. It's clear that, from a psychological perspective, we just can't handle them. I mean, this one hasn't started and we're already complaining about the start time.
This is definitely the best outlook to have. A few people can't handle something so ban it for everybody.... Works so well in real life too... /sarcasm
drazz wrote: $100+ maybe a little less for early birds or group deals. I mean, they are basically Forgeworld minis, only bigger.
There are very few minis of that scale, outside of FW, that charge that much.
I'd expect somewhere around the $75 mark too, as that would make them ~£50 which seems like a sensible, worth backing the Kickstarter but not too excessively discounted type median.
Would expect a final RRP nearer $100, but we'll know for sure in a few hours.
KS1 their 100mm base uber creatures were mostly £40, which they've subsequently admitted were under priced, and I think they're mostly around £60 or so in KS2, so I'm expecting somewhere in that ball park.
Too far off that and I doubt I'll go in, as I really like these minis, but I don't have a playing need for them, nor do I have a lack of stuff needing paint right now.
I've never been involved with a kickstart project before but they have a couple of models that I can't resist. That said, I seem to be missing something. I gather the kickstart starts at 0000 PST tonight (0300 EST) so I thought I'd go to kickstarter.com to take a look before things kick off and have my browser ready to pledge. I was a little distressed to find that using their search tool fails to find any results for "Creature Caster". I'd hate to miss out due to not being in the right place. Is it possible that I won't be able to find anything for Creature Caster at kickstarter.com until 0000 PST or am I missing something obvious?
Thanks for clearing that up. Never done this before.
"Hovering" is a bad thing? Why is being prepared for something knowing that there are early bird specials a bad thing? (Yes, I'm a Black Friday shopper who is standing in line hours before the store opens.)
It prevents people (whether intentionally or not) camping and hitting F5, not that it would give you more than a slight advantage, but at least everyone starts from exactly the same point.
Hello Dakkaites. We have a very important update: We have decided to extend our pre-campaign.
We realize this is short notice and apologize for any lost sleep. We are doing this to offer an entire new set of upgraded rewards to our backers. We did not originally expect the demand to be as huge as it has become, and we are now preparing to make this campaign bigger than ever, with the best rewards possible.
We are taking every precaution at the beginning of the campaign to ensure that everything goes smoothly in the end. We know that you will be happy that we decided to make this small change, because it will ultimately lead to huge rewards for our backers. Trust me, you are going to really love these new rewards. We thank you for your continued support.
Post any questions, comments or suggestions here and I will respond as soon and as often as possible.
For those interested here on Dakka, I will be back soon in order to address concerns about Canadian shipping (and the nightmare it can sometimes be unless you have American drop shipping) I will also be having some discussions with you about some new Kickstarter exclusives we wish to offer in our new huge'er campaign. Thanks again.
It really is way bigger than we originally imagined. That means we can now offer more and better exclusive rewards, instead of our smaller line we had available. We would never have known, but when we had a thousand people join our Facebook in a few days.... we knew we had the chance to offer even more.
Dont be sad. In the end, we are all going to be happy that we took this time to reposition, especially the fans that were with us from the beginning. Thank you for your support.
Any idea when you will be launching it? Tentative date?
If you're going to do extra head/weapons/etc is there any chance of getting a non-saddled head for the dragons? If it at all possible that is.
Or maybe a fire breathing head.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really do think that all Kickstarters should be banned from Dakka. It's clear that, from a psychological perspective, we just can't handle them. I mean, this one hasn't started and we're already complaining about the start time.
Azazelx wrote: le sigh. Canadian shipping and Early Birds.
You'd better pre-withdraw your pledge on this one Az. Save yourself the bellyache.
You mean this is already the most shameful thread ever seen on Dakka?
Lets just hope that pre-KS delays will mean that there is no during-KS delays. Get all the delays over and done with before you even start.
That is exactly right Could not have said it better myself, and I wish other campaigns took this kind of care. We are making triple sure that everything will not only deliver smoothly, but will also be a party when you open your package.
Uh, Jeremy... Kickstarter-exclusives are often a bad thing. Maybe a small figure or two can be okay, but lots of KS-exclusives and parts aren't a good thing.
The Kickstarter exclusives are going to offer something really special to our backers, and to us that is a good thing. I am of course open to suggestions to the contrary however, and appreciate your feedback.
I know that I would like to give you money, but I will not have it in time for KS (most likely)
Thus if it is only KS exclusive I may not end up giving you money, but then again if it is small things and not lots of stuff that is exclusive it wouldn't sway me as much.
I certainly do not intent to upset anyone who is not part of the Kickstarter by denying them of exclusive parts. It is just a small achievable goal that we can use to add something special to our backers.
Go to bed; the campaign is being expanded and reorganized in light of unexpected interest, which is a good thing. But it also means the campaign is definitely not beginning tonight.
Some very provocative options have been advanced, we'll see how far down this rabbit hole goes...
CreatureCaster wrote: The Kickstarter exclusives are going to offer something really special to our backers, and to us that is a good thing. I am of course open to suggestions to the contrary however, and appreciate your feedback.
I absolutely understand the wish to offer backers something special, and that's where one or two not-huge exclusive items/figures/things can be useful - the flip side is that usually KS backers get a good price on the items, and the items first, as well as the warm fuzzies of knowing that they helped to make a project a reality. The drawbacks to too many exclusives is that you can create resentment amongst both backers and post-KS customers since they weren't able to afford everything they wanted at the time, and then can never get the <whatever> again, short of eBay, "convention exclusives" and other things like that which again, tend to breed resentment - particularly if you're looking to create an ongoing brand/retail presence with the items going forward.
I think with the flexibility of your resin business, you have a lot of scope to offer KS exclusives that are a little more "outside the box" than heads, hands, weapons, etc that others will then never be able to get. Exclusive bases or scenic base options or diorama bases - you might remember this from the GWLotR line - something way cool, bloody rare, but doesn't "change" the figures that people have bought in a way that can never be reproduced again like an exclusive head would.
You could also do medals, "challenge" or commemorative KS coins (in resin) - out-of-scale objects, micro-busts, etc.
Basically, I think extra/alternate heads, hands, claws, weapons, etc are a great idea, but they shouldn't be the KS-Exclusive items - they should be an ongoing aspect and asset as part of the kit options. There's a whole lot of stuff that's a little more outside the box that is perfect for the KS exclusive slot(s).
CreatureCaster wrote: The Kickstarter exclusives are going to offer something really special to our backers, and to us that is a good thing. I am of course open to suggestions to the contrary however, and appreciate your feedback.
I absolutely understand the wish to offer backers something special, and that's where one or two not-huge exclusive items/figures/things can be useful - the flip side is that usually KS backers get a good price on the items, and the items first, as well as the warm fuzzies of knowing that they helped to make a project a reality. The drawbacks to too many exclusives is that you can create resentment amongst both backers and post-KS customers since they weren't able to afford everything they wanted at the time, and then can never get the <whatever> again, short of eBay, "convention exclusives" and other things like that which again, tend to breed resentment - particularly if you're looking to create an ongoing brand/retail presence with the items going forward.
I think with the flexibility of your resin business, you have a lot of scope to offer KS exclusives that are a little more "outside the box" than heads, hands, weapons, etc that others will then never be able to get. Exclusive bases or scenic base options or diorama bases - you might remember this from the GWLotR line - something way cool, bloody rare, but doesn't "change" the figures that people have bought in a way that can never be reproduced again like an exclusive head would.
You could also do medals, "challenge" or commemorative KS coins (in resin) - out-of-scale objects, micro-busts, etc.
Basically, I think extra/alternate heads, hands, claws, weapons, etc are a great idea, but they shouldn't be the KS-Exclusive items - they should be an ongoing aspect and asset as part of the kit options. There's a whole lot of stuff that's a little more outside the box that is perfect for the KS exclusive slot(s).
OH WOW! I've got that. I'd completely forgotten about it.
Wish I knew where mine was.
Az makes a good point. You'd be giving us too much of a good thing. It wouldn't do you any favours down the line. Maybe a better option would be to have all the extra heads/weapons/etc as cheapy add-on packs. That way the KS backers get cheap stuff earlier, but non-KS buyers can still get them later on.
Seriously though mate, don't worry about stretch goals and add-ons and all that. It will potentially just add too much to your workload. Just focus on getting the models themselves as perfect as you can and on schedule. Let your KS be one of those rare few that is on time. Freebies and add-ons are all very well and good but they are no substitute for a quality on time product.
Very disappointed to see that the KS is happening tonight. Made quite a few arrangements so that I would be able to get there at the start. Supper bigger and better things are always... bigger and better
Have to agree with Az regarding the exclusive stuff; maybe you could integrate the two ideas somehow. Make the "conversion bitz" a part of your normal line after the KS, sell them as themed packs separate from the actual creatures, but specifically for the campaign, include the parts with the creatures they're designed for as freebies that unlock as stretch goals?
That way you have some wee "minor" stretch unlocks you can pepper in between bigger goals to add new creatures to the line. So if you pledged for the bird demon, and a certain stretch goal was reached, you get Upgrade Pack 1 for the bird demon for free.
The other stuff sounds interesting as well, particularly the prospect of seeing stuff in the campaign in a more modest scale; the existing critters are fantastic centerpieces, but most of my games are at smaller point values, or using skirmish/RPG hybrid rules, and I'd love to have some models with your aesthetics and level of detail in a scale that would let me use them on a regular basis.
I'll offer one word of caution though, well, two words actually; Raging Heroes. Don't get too caught up in growing the campaign endlessly, or you'll dig yourself into a hole and waste people's goodwill and enthusiasm, which considering the quality on show would be a real shame.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: PST is GMT -8 If I'm remembering correctly so that would make it 08:00 on Feb 1st, so much for that saturday lie in.
I LIKE YOUR NAME!
THANKS!
Urgh woke up early on a saturday to see that video, at least you're taking into account that demand could be higher than expected rather than risking disappointment. Whilst I would also love an option or two I'd agree on KS exclusives being a divisive topic. I do however love a mascot figure, if you're also thinking of doing something smaller scale later on anyway. Maybe an alternate pose to one of the troopers you were considering or an alternate unit commander?
Please make the new release date a weekend still. I set the alarm to get up for this one but if you make it a week day I will be at work when it starts.
I really hope they are not going to change the scale on all their models. The pincer daemon is the perfect size for what I want. If they made an alternative sword design for it I wouldn't mind, something more elegant, dare I say more Slaaneshy.
Please don't make everything smaller by default. Some of us like the larger scale. They make perfect daemon lords for 40K!
I am reading all of your comments and there are a lot of good opinions here, and some good questions as well. I have been up since 5 in the morning and it has been a long day. I will be back tomorrow to chat some more.
Know that this choice to delay the launch was not made in order to make more money, or to launch more items. The exclusives and models are already in the pipeline. We need guarantees from our supply chain, and in that time these components will become available for the Kickstarter. We are not adding more work for ourselves.
Sorry about any lost sleep and disappointment. I am right there with you.
This is so true. Jeremy as you can probably tell by allot of people staying awake to join in on the kickstarter as soon as possible people want to get in on any early bird specials. The thing allot of kickstarters do wrong is by not having enough early bird slots. I hate it when I find out about an awesome kickstarter only to find that if I had known about it 1 hour earlier I could have saved $50 on an early bird pledge.
Even having early bird pledge levels can feel a bit frustrating. Sure it benefits those who manage to pledge before anyone else but isn't the whole point of a kickstarter that everyone is an early bird contributor since the project hasn't even been launched yet?
Basically what I'm saying is that I'm poor and stayed up until 7am hoping to get in on any early bird deals to save a bit of money. I'm sure everyone could figure out this project will be popular, I wouldn't be surprised if you hit your goal in less than 3minutes and probably 1million or more before the end of the kickstarter.
This kickstarter will make your business a big success so please reward us backers equally
CreatureCaster wrote: I am reading all of your comments and there are a lot of good opinions here, and some good questions as well. I have been up since 5 in the morning and it has been a long day. I will be back tomorrow to chat some more.
Know that this choice to delay the launch was not made in order to make more money, or to launch more items. The exclusives and models are already in the pipeline. We need guarantees from our supply chain, and in that time these components will become available for the Kickstarter. We are not adding more work for ourselves.
Sorry about any lost sleep and disappointment. I am right there with you.
With Early Birds - and this is just thinking out loud - perhaps offer EB versions of the pledge levels for people who pledge in the first 24 or 48 hours, rather than the usual limited slots that are guaranteed to feth over people in some part of the world due to time differences and work schedules? Look how people are posting about scheduling their weekends around the KS starting up, or Buzzsaw's post about your local time vs PST etc.
I remember just how fethed up the Raging Heroes campaign was with a stupid rush to grab an EB slot, and having to just grab whatever looked like it might be good rather than even having time to think about it, followed by reading lots of posts by people who had internet issues (KS was melting down) and missed out etc. Another campaign I backed had a similar issue with EBs, but I can't remember which one it was now. I might be wrong, but it really seems like a good way to build a lot of goodwill from the international gaming community with relatively little effort...
Since you've opened a dialogue with us here, and appear to be listening and taking lots of stuff on board, I decided to type that out when it appeared in my head just now instead of forgetting about it.
I have to agree with the sentiment that KS exclusive bits for the major models you're pushing (and aren't they all?) aught to be purchasable additions, later.
I wouldn't mind bits of exclusive basing materials though. Really high detailed bits of base-modifying stuff that's really really cool and great at bringing out even more character in a model...for very little effort.
People don't have as emotional an attachment to the bases figures are positioned on anyway, so I'd think that that would be a pretty sell-able alteration.
I'm on board with Azazelx about the Early Bird specials.
Having a time frame on the early bird specials seems like it would be much better than a limited spots sort of special. Especially given that the reason for the delay is due to the massive response to the kickstarter, and the goal to make everyone happy... at this point it would seem that having limited spots would only be counter productive to this entire situation.
What Azazelx said, I pledged allot on the Raging Heroes kickstarter, I changed my pledge around 5 times during that kickstarter as things changed, were added or removed.
I wanted the resin cast heroines and the seminar but I wanted to pledge at the highest level to get the best deal. As the seminar slots were limited I lowered my pledge to that level and started asking if it was possible to get resin heroines at the max level but for that I'd have to pledge at both levels which would have been over $2000 which I was not prepared to do. So I went to switch back as I figured the better deal was better than the seminar and resin heroines but then someone else had taken my old early bird slot so I had to select the worst option.
After talking with them a bit I got my old early bird slot back but I had to pay directly through paypal and not through the kickstarter as all those slots were taken.
This in turn means I can't comment on the kickstarter page but that's a small annoyance.
Things will change during your kickstarter as things get unlocked, you add stuff and so forth. If you are going to have early bird special the first 24-48 hours thing sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure you can do that on kickstarter.
People will also change the pledges around as things change and new things are revealed.
One of the problems I can see with your kickstarter would be bundles. Lets say you have a pledge for a 2 model deal, any 2 models. Me selecting 2 Spider girls would result in lower shipping than if I selected 2 dragons. Then again will all the models be priced the same or will they be priced on weight, time taken to make, how complicated the model is, how many parts it has or any other factor that can affect price.
Make it simple, easy to understand and don't use stupid names for different pledge levels. It's easier (at least for me) to understand pledge level 1,2,3,4 rather than bone,skull, pelvis, toe or small demon, demon, large demon, greater demon pledge level names.
I like that idea of a time based early bird rather than a limited slot one, kind of like what Zombie 15' is doing currently (big discount for first 24 hours).
Bases and detail pieces make cool exclusives, as do optional pieces- ESPECIALLY when they are purchasable options down the road.
If you do end up making some smaller, normal sized figures that would be cool- some of us on tighter gaming budgets like supporting up and coming companies but can't afford big ticket pledge items.
That previous sentence ultimately doesn't matter if you offer up some sort of giant armored theropods for my lizardmen to ride into battle on, instead of those lame naked GW "carnosaurs".
If I'm going to spend near 100 dollars for a dino for my army's leader, I would much rather give it to a company that makes big giant bad ass monsters than dinky overpriced ones.
TL;DR - keep us posted on what's happening and make armored dinosaurs so I can give you my monies.
MadCowCrazy wrote: What Azazelx said, I pledged allot on the Raging Heroes kickstarter, I changed my pledge around 5 times during that kickstarter as things changed, were added or removed.
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Things will change during your kickstarter as things get unlocked, you add stuff and so forth. If you are going to have early bird special the first 24-48 hours thing sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure you can do that on kickstarter.
People will also change the pledges around as things change and new things are revealed.
Make it simple, easy to understand and don't use stupid names for different pledge levels. It's easier (at least for me) to understand pledge level 1,2,3,4 rather than bone,skull, pelvis, toe or small demon, demon, large demon, greater demon pledge level names.
Making a time-limited EB can be done in several ways. The simplest is simply posting/writing the information on the page and manually closing it from the creator side of the KS page. Mantic did it in the MAKS with this pledge level:
BLOODSHED ON THE BATTLEFIELD – New York Comic Con Special! ============================== To celebrate New York Comic Con this weekend, get: 1 x Mars Attacks – The Miniatures Game PLUS $325 worth of Core Add-ons AND all applicable stretch goals. Includes free shipping to UK and US. Please see main page for international shipping. ============================== Pledge Level closes Midnight 13th October.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/mars-attacks-the-miniatures-game
The rest of your post - several good points - clarity in pledge names. Red Box' first campaign comes to mind!) and people WILL want to add on additional versions of their pledge level or other pledge levels via overpledging, followed by a pledge manager, ideally without losing their spot.
Look at Games & Gears recent campaign, and their steadfast refusal to allow people to add-on more boards for the EB price (£62) they had already secured - instead expecting people to add on additional boards for almost double what their EB slots cost (£110). (or cheat by pledging with a second account) - created ill will, confusion and left money on the table - all needlessly - especially since 10% of their 1-board EB were left vacant. Of course, half the problem was that their EB price was so incredibly much cheaper than the "non-EB price" until they changed it later to add a "Christmas Special" level at £95
Basically, what I'm saying is be careful if the price disparity of the EB levels is too much from the regular KS price - especially if you have limited slots.
Basically, as long as people have an easily-identifiable core to work from, they'll upgrade and add-on. If you have an awesome EB level, people will ask later if they can add on a second one of that EB level for their pledges at the same price - some campaigns have allowed it (some of CMON's campaigns) while others don't.
Another thing to be wary of is padding your stretch goals. Work out what they are and what they will cost, and be honest about it. There was a bit of a kerfuffle with the Raging Heroes campaign when it blew up in the first hours, due to months of anticipation. RH then proceeded to pad out their stretch goals by an enormous amount (which we saw when they sent out an update with the obviously original stretch goal number on it - $20k instead of $5k or something like that - you can check the thread here to watch an enormous amount of goodwill degenerate into the company basically being treated as a joke and meme generator.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/530736.page
If you have a huge Day 1, you will NOT have an equally massive Day 2, 3, etc, (which is what RH were expecting) as most of your backers will have blown most of their wad right away.
After awhile, due to their unrealistic expectations that the day-1 tsunami would continue at the same rate - and their artificially-inflated stretch goals acting as more of a hindrance than a help - they started to unlock "stretch goals" every couple of days - which, again, just made it more transparent that the amounts needed to unlock things was already well achieved and that the goal amounts were arbitrary rather than relating to how much production would actually cost.
Hopefully you're reading through all of this and saying to yourself "Yeah, that's obvious - moron." - but it's worth saying anyway - and pointing out mistakes others have made so you're able to avoid them. The most important lesson to take from RH is basically to not move the goalposts (even behind the scenes) in an effort to "game" your campaign, and be honest to your backers rather than inscrutable (and later, insulting.)
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highlord tamburlaine wrote: I like that idea of a time based early bird rather than a limited slot one, kind of like what Zombie 15' is doing currently (big discount for first 24 hours).
Bases and detail pieces make cool exclusives, as do optional pieces- ESPECIALLY when they are purchasable options down the road.
If you do end up making some smaller, normal sized figures that would be cool- some of us on tighter gaming budgets like supporting up and coming companies but can't afford big ticket pledge items.
That previous sentence ultimately doesn't matter if you offer up some sort of giant armored theropods for my lizardmen to ride into battle on, instead of those lame naked GW "carnosaurs".
If I'm going to spend near 100 dollars for a dino for my army's leader, I would much rather give it to a company that makes big giant bad ass monsters than dinky overpriced ones.
TL;DR - keep us posted on what's happening and make armored dinosaurs so I can give you my monies.
A bit off-topic, but check your local Museum. They won't be armoured, but there can be some great bargains there for almost-in-scale dinos. I got a HUGE sauropod for $25 - 22" long, 6 1/2" high at the curve of it's spine and 9" high at the head.
I should never underestimate the savvy of Kickstarter supporting Dakkaites
We can not give prices yet, since they are subject to change before launch and I can not disappoint anyone with incorrect figures.
Mini busts, base accessories, unique coins and plinths... all excellent ideas that are cost effective, and very cool. I was even thinking about adding putty stampers, with skull pile textures and dragons scales? This is kind of a nod to old school sculptors and modelers such as myself.
We can all agree that the dynamics of a small campaign compared to a large on are quite different. That was very well illustrated in the posts above. The prior template I was using when building my kickstarter campaign was something closer to the Stonehaven Miniatures Elves, gnomes and dwarves campaigns. Goes to show I was more than a little modest with my expectations.
The we got 1800 fans on facebook, and I realized we need to get assurances on the front-end, so we do not suffer in the back-end.
The good news is, we have decided to keep our first wave catalog VERY small and manageable, even at the risk of offering less choice. Our incentives will offer the variety and value. We will nail the fulfillment for the first wave, and then do a second with the confidence gained.
I am doing a bunch of emailing so I cant get to every question, but I will be back soon. Thanks guys.
As so many have said - having the accessories and options available through channels instead of just as an exclusive for the Kickstarter is a good thing.
On the flip side... exclusives are why I have a miniature of a nekkid succubus on a motorcycle....
Azazelx wrote: You mean this is already the most shameful thread ever seen on Dakka?
Nah. We've got a long way to go before we reach Raging Heroes levels of tantrum throwing.
I honestly wish you'd give this a rest, I normally really like your posts but every time you troll about this I get closer to hitting the ignore button.
We pushed back this launch to avoid any drama that would ensue as a result of late delivery. My entire goal is to do small and achievable goal oriented Kickstarters, and do a few of them. I can only do the latter ones if I do the first ones flawlessly.
Yes, if you live in Vancouver Canada, or Seattle (I drive down there a lot) you can buy direct from me (like some sort of back alley arms dealer type situation). This will be of course after all of the Kickstarter packages are safely on their way to all the backers.
If anyone is not familiar with the Kickstarter process, YouTube will be a big help. If you were to post any specific questions on the boards, people will help you with those as well.
We can confirm that we will be keeping our smaller sized catalog for the first wave, and then assemble our second wave once our first ships on time.
There will be Kickstarter exclusives. I am having a meeting today to discuss optional parts, base accessories, putty stampers, and other small/achievable/cool stuff we can have ready for launch.
We also have the option of adding a pack of variant parts with different variants than the Kickstarter, when we go to retail. That way everyone gets something unique.
We will launch on a weekend, and take another look at the time of day in which we release. Please do not ask for prices or launch date, since both are subject to change up until we get closer to release date.
We will not only be offering much more early birds, but also staggering them, similar to how Dark Lands did theirs.
Just as a quick note, I suffer from dyslexia and this sometimes effects my spelling, especially when speed typing. My apologies outright for sometimes appearing unprofessional with my spelling.
Really glad you're taking your time. Demand looks to be high, so get it all set first! I'm actually more interested now that you took this step.
Thanks also for your excellent communication on Dakka... we all appreciate it here, of course, and I think this will be a real hotspot for discussion, and people actually joining your campaign
ritides, don't forget that they are surrounded by everything that is deadly, vicious, and trying to kill them. spiders, snakes, octopi, great white sharks.........koala, kangaroo, platypi
I thought they had to sit in a summoning circle and have a shaman type play a didgeridoo while they enter the Dreamtime in order to have their message come into existence through those mystical series of tubes...
RiTides wrote: Theophony, I don't think "the bush" usually includes coastland, so Azazelx should be safe from the aquatic dangers at least
Back to the topic at hand, I've checked out the Creature Caster blog and will be eagerly watching for updates on this
Sorry to go off topic, but...
Just cause he's not on the coast doesn't mean that he's safe.
On topic, can't wait for this to hit retail, afraid I'm kinda out of kickstarter, funds are tight and I need the immediate gratification when I buy stuff.
Theophony wrote: ritides, don't forget that they are surrounded by everything that is deadly, vicious, and trying to kill them. spiders, snakes, octopi, great white sharks.........koala, kangaroo, platypi
HEY CREATURE CASTER, can we get a massive Platypus deamon as a stretch goal??? Please?
we're pretty safe against everything but the giant bats. don't forget, we are immune to all venom, because of all the spiders and scorpions we eat by accident.
the shrouded lord wrote: we're pretty safe against everything but the giant bats. don't forget, we are immune to all venom, because of all the spiders and scorpions we eat by accident.
Giant bats?!!! Hell, even our little bats give you rabies...
(No, not exaggerating about the rabies...google "Australian Bat Lyssavirus"...looks like one hell of a way to die!)
For those who didn't watch the Q&A, I'll post some of the more relevant information (from what I remember anyways... it was late when I watched it).
It seems like the demon models are going to be around the $100 range, while the Emperor Dragon is going to be more around the $200 range (no real knowledge on the Mountain Dragon). This price is indicated to be in USD.
There was a lot of worry regarding shipping costs being that Creature Caster is in Canada, but Jeremy seems to be trying to work around that by distributing out of the US and possibly overseas as well.
Stretch goal-wise, it seems like they're backing off on doing models for stretch goals. I.e., it's not likely that we'll see the Tree lady, Chaos Dragon, or any other of those previewed models. On the other hand, it seemed like the Zombie Dragon has a possibility of showing up. This means the catalog for the Kickstarter will have the Spider Demon, Vulture Demon, Warrior Demon, Pincer Demon, Mountain Dragon, and Emperor Dragon. I don't recall if the Plague Demon will be back in time for the Kickstarter, but I truly hope so!
Instead of doing models, they're planning to do some really cool Kickstarter exclusives as stretch goals. No word on what exactly those are, but they're aiming to make a lot of them free exclusives that come with each model. My guess is this would refer to the armor scales for the dragon (so they don't need the howda or seat) or alternate heads for the demons.
In order to counteract the lack of new models as stretch goal, Jeremy confirmed there will be a wave 2 Kickstarter at some point in the future.
There's still no estimation on when the Kickstarter will go live, but it's planned to be a short one, only 15 to 20 days. They're also going to rework the time of day it launches in order to try and accommodate more time zones. Additionally, the early birds will of course be a thing, and there will be multiple shipping tiers (or waves). Pledge-wise, there will be package deals on models, or you can simply pick the model you want, and then add the rest onto that pledge.
Retail wise, they are not planning to sell the first wave of models until all Kickstarter pledges are completely fulfilled. They're really looking to make the whole thing go smooth and not overwhelm themselves. I personally love this.
I'm still waking up and my memory of the video is a bit fuzzy, but if I remember anything else I'll update you guys, or if you have questions I can try to answer them (unless Jeremy does since he's quite good about doing so!) since I've been scrounging for as much information on this as I possibly can.
That's what you'd pay for a Warmachine Colossal, or most companies equivalently sized models.
I wouldn't consider that boutique pricing for the sort of models we're talking about here.
plastictrees wrote: That's what you'd pay for a Warmachine Colossal, or most companies equivalently sized models.
I wouldn't consider that boutique pricing for the sort of models we're talking about here.
Yup agreed just logged in to echo that very sentiment. $100 is pretty standard....and they look amazing to boot
Hi guys, sorry about the time away. Just been working hard on the exclusives. As posted above (thanks for filing the thread in) I went on Beeble Babble and talked a lot about the campaign. It really is better than ever.
Between getting the final cast samples back and finishing our exclusives, we will announce a launch date in a few weeks. We are working very hard, and are careful to throw a date out there. Any work we can complete in the front end is less time you have to wait in the back end.
We are doing our best to arrange worldwide drop-shipping from hubs in Europe and the States, NOT Canada. Exact shipping costs will vary, but you will know that you are getting it shipped from a country with a good shipping rate.
If you aren't on the Creature Caster Facebook then "like" us there and get consistent updates. Thanks for your patience and support. We feel these epic models are worth the wait.
Really pleased to hear that on the shipping front, did a little digging after people mentioned it and regular Canadian shipping is quite the hurdle.
Also very pleased to hear you're getting as much prep as possible done ahead of time. I've not been involved in many Kickstarters but I did pledge on Raging Heroes based on the quality of their past product, and from the Beeble Babble it sounds like you're also a fan of their work. They however gave a September shipping date for wave 1, this of course was not met and they still haven't even finished the render work in February, so I'd love to not have that happen to me again.
$100USD is about what I expected these guys to go for, so I'm in for a couple. Especially knowing that I have a few weeks to save up. Just be aware that you're getting ever closer to the Darklands 2.5 KS, which will undoubtedly drain my funds as well. At least Drake 2 hasn't shown me anything I want to chip in for...yet.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: For what it's worth, Colossals can be had regularly for under 100 if you scour ebay. More like the 75- 85 range if you get lucky.
Not sure how big a Colossal would be in comparison to these. For a 100 bucks I sure hope to be getting quite a bit of bang for my buck!
I'm assuming we're talking the size of something like Mierce's giant pieces, right? Seems a fair price for a model of that size.
Cheaper is always nice though.
Mierce is about what I would expect, and like Angrislaug was $64. He may have been an outlier though. How do these rate size wise to something like Kull?
Why are they not doing the plague one? He looked awesome.
The larger models in the Darklands KS1 were too cheap, Mierce have said as much, so KS2 is probably a better guide, and the prices are I'm the same ball park.
Why are they not doing the plague one? He looked awesome.
The Plague Demon had some scale issues. It was far too big in comparison to the other demons and the production cost would have made its retail value something a bit outrageous.
Other than that, I believe they are going to also rework a few minor details (such as the giant tongue/mouth in its belly) on top of rescaling it. Should reappear at some point in the future.
Really glad to hear about the various distribution centres! Great relief that, as it makes the models a lot more accessable to Europeans
Good to see you're taking your time to do things right from the start as well, would much prefer a delay now over lots of problems during and after the kickstarter
A blog update was posted for those who were unaware. It seems like the Kickstarter Exclusives will in fact be variant demon parts (heads, etc) as expect. By the looks of it, if they're all as good as the one previewed, I'm excited.
Snrub wrote: Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.
You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...
Snrub wrote: Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.
You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...
The GW ones are also TERRIBLE models and should never be bought by anyone, regardless of cost.
Both very valid points. If I were going to buy a GWGD I'd be going on ebay for it or buying from overseas. But if I did want a GD I'd almost certainly splash out and get a FW one.
So in summery, the Games Workshop Greater Daemons are overpriced gak.
CreatureCaster wrote: Hi guys, sorry about the time away. Just been working hard on the exclusives. As posted above (thanks for filing the thread in) I went on Beeble Babble and talked a lot about the campaign. It really is better than ever.
Between getting the final cast samples back and finishing our exclusives, we will announce a launch date in a few weeks. We are working very hard, and are careful to throw a date out there. Any work we can complete in the front end is less time you have to wait in the back end.
We are doing our best to arrange worldwide drop-shipping from hubs in Europe and the States, NOT Canada. Exact shipping costs will vary, but you will know that you are getting it shipped from a country with a good shipping rate.
If you aren't on the Creature Caster Facebook then "like" us there and get consistent updates. Thanks for your patience and support. We feel these epic models are worth the wait.
These prices are ballparks mind you. We will have more information soon. Having said that, we are attempting to make models that fill a gap in the models that are currently available.
- For 70 bucks (USD), you get a greater demon model that is made from a very old sculpt (old balrogthirster). Does anyone know exactly how old these sculpts are?
- For 100 bucks (USD), you get a playable superfine resin model (warrior demon) that fits onto a 50x50 base, which is about 6.5 inches tall. Optional bits include various upgrade parts and the back spikes if you would prefer him without wings.
- For $230 bucks (USD) you can get a pie-plate playable superfine resin model from Forge World (balorthrister). It is about 10 inches tall, with most of the mass and height in the wings. No optional parts. No non-winged parts.
It comes down to preference. Both are options that exist and should exist, because there is that huge gap that lies between old small demons and massive resin ones. I personally would like all that high-end and unique quality, in a package that is both playable and in a price point that I can comfortably piece together from a few paychecks of saving. We feel we struck the balance, but it really comes down to preference.
Ouch. As an Aussie, $100USD for a demon really makes me sad. Especially since, I'm certain there'll be no quarter given on shipping to my end of the world. Though I was going to stay up and secure a dragon, I am definitely hesitant now with the pricing.
I feel in the last few years, GWs artificial inflation of minis has conditioned many to believe that GWs prices are the norm.
Kickstarters like Reaper's give me faith that I'm not the only one scratching my head in bewilderment at how far out the value equation for small albeit beautiful bits of plastic has become.
Anyway, I am sure whatever your pricing, people will come in droves. I just really hope your pricing reflects the fact that kickstarter is technically a collateral free, contractless, interest free form of immediate financing enabled by the goodwill of backers.... In short, mercy would appreciated
Yeah, 100 USD doesn't bother me... what bothers me, is the lack of a golem! Preferably a stone golem, but earth would work, etc... and whatever artistic interpretation you'd like to apply to it would be great, I'm sure . Hope you'll consider one for your second go-round
Snrub wrote: Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.
You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...
The GW ones are also TERRIBLE models and should never be bought by anyone, regardless of cost.
Oh, they're not that bad. The Bloodthirster and Lord of Change are alright - pretty much on the level I consider a lot of Mantic's stuff at. The Keeper of Secrets is indeed awful, and the Great Unclean One is pretty good, though lacks the same personality that the Forge World one has. I do prefer the FW ones to all of the GW ones, and also the original RoC ones in terms of design and (mostly) sculpt (though they're a little small by today's standards, and aspects like the Bloodthirster's wings suffer from the limitations of the day)
So in summery, the Games Workshop Greater Daemons are overpriced gak.
Hm. Good point. I got the four of mine when they were released, back in the mid-late 1990s, when prices weren't as ridonkulous as they are now. By today's standards the sculpts suffer quite badly, and the prices are just a joke.
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CreatureCaster wrote: These prices are ballparks mind you. We will have more information soon. Having said that, we are attempting to make models that fill a gap in the models that are currently available.
- For 70 bucks (USD), you get a greater demon model that is made from a very old sculpt (old balrogthirster). Does anyone know exactly how old these sculpts are?
- For 100 bucks (USD), you get a playable superfine resin model (warrior demon) that fits onto a 50x50 base, which is about 6.5 inches tall. Optional bits include various upgrade parts and the back spikes if you would prefer him without wings.
- For $230 bucks (USD) you can get a pie-plate playable superfine resin model from Forge World (balorthrister). It is about 10 inches tall, with most of the mass and height in the wings. No optional parts. No non-winged parts.
It comes down to preference. Both are options that exist and should exist, because there is that huge gap that lies between old small demons and massive resin ones. I personally would like all that high-end and unique quality, in a package that is both playable and in a price point that I can comfortably piece together from a few paychecks of saving. We feel we struck the balance, but it really comes down to preference.
I think I'm going to go with owning all three, plus the original.
Getting in contact with The Combat Company might be a good move for drop-shipping to Australia, unless you already have a solution in mind.
http://thecombatcompany.com/
They're doing a similar thing with Secret Weapon's Tablescapes, though they have an existing relationship with them.
coolmandool wrote: Ouch. As an Aussie, $100USD for a demon really makes me sad. Especially since, I'm certain there'll be no quarter given on shipping to my end of the world. Though I was going to stay up and secure a dragon, I am definitely hesitant now with the pricing.
I feel in the last few years, GWs artificial inflation of minis has conditioned many to believe that GWs prices are the norm.
Kickstarters like Reaper's give me faith that I'm not the only one scratching my head in bewilderment at how far out the value equation for small albeit beautiful bits of plastic has become.
Anyway, I am sure whatever your pricing, people will come in droves. I just really hope your pricing reflects the fact that kickstarter is technically a collateral free, contractless, interest free form of immediate financing enabled by the goodwill of backers.... In short, mercy would appreciated
His last post said he may ship from the UK as well as the US/CAN and if that's the case it shouldn't be to bad, things on eBay of comparable sizes from the US cost like $30+ to ship yet the same things from the UK are like $8-$10.
We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.
They've been periodically messaging people on Facebook. Hadn't for a couple days, but yesterday a few replies went out. Nothing too major to gain from them except that weapon variants will be a stretch goal available throughout the kickstarter.
monkeypuzzle wrote: We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.
Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.
PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...
monkeypuzzle wrote: We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.
Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.
PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...
Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.
In a few post up he did write they will be around 100 USD and I heard somewhere, maybe in the videos, that the emperor dragon would be twice as much.
From what I have gathered the kickstarter will only contain the models on his webpage, with a very small chance of some small models.
Most of the time he is proberly busy to preparing everything, so people don’t have to wait months or years for the miniatures
Other big miniatures will be in a later kickstarter or just on his store; miniatures like zombiedragon, treepeople and golems.
I really want to support the kickstarter, but I want a huge treewoman and a stonegolem, so I guess I have to wait for the next round, unless I can convince myself for a 200 dollar dragon.
Heya Dakkaites. I haven't posted in a while. Thanks Zroll and others who have helped share information. I a short while we will be able to catch everyone up, and give you all the answers you have been waiting for.
Launch dates and item costs are the things people want to know the most. As soon as I have accurate information, you will be among the first to know. You understand that everything needs to be perfect, and we only have one shot to have a perfect campaign.
In between skype calls all over the world, I have been working on concept art, and holding design conversations on our Facebook page. If you haven't "liked" us on facebook, then perhaps do so the next time you are on. There are updates all the time there, lots of art, etc.
We just finished printing Prothero, the emperor dragon, I can confirm now is that his size turned out perfect. Not too big, not too small. A rider looks killer standing in the howdah (with a 20 mil base), while seated riders fit great on the saddle. He balances great. Extremely happy with his print and we are glad to have him in reality. We will have a video blog of him as soon as his final prep for casting is complete.
monkeypuzzle wrote: We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.
Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.
PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...
It means I don't get bored by playing the same army all the time, in fact I'm not sure I have ever played the exact same list twice. It also means I know the strengths and weaknesses of all armies I face. For me collecting is the best part of the hobby. I have been collecting a long time and my armies are still growing!
Sadly I think they've lost a considerable amount of customers by dropping the Nurgle looking model from the line up. That was the only model I was interested in.
Hey guys. The Kickstarter is indeed on April 19th. I hit the launch button at 12:00 EST (New York)
It is true that most of the conversation takes place on the Facebook, but I have been posting on Dakka for years now and wish to visit this page more often. If I don't, the conversation drifts off into platypus-land rather quickly! (Ride'able demonic platypus still being considered)
Thank you to the Creature Caster fans who have been mirroring information on the forums. You are excellent ambassadors.
The price of the demons is actually under $100 USD. The emperor will come in under $200 as well. This is contingent on having a successful Kickstarter campaign, and getting a larger production run with bulk discounts. Hand-poured two-part solid no-filler epoxy resin is an expensive medium. Each part of every model kit is cleaned by hand, is rigorously inspected, hand-stamp authenticated, includes a certificate of authenticity, etc. It is a quality product, and I am doing my best to make it an affordable one as well.
The Youtube comments are disabled. They will be enabled for the next vids tho. I simply have not gotten into the habit of clicking the enable button. I will also be here more often to answer questions as well.
We are using an extremely reliable global shipping fulfillment service to get the crates of miniatures sent to a warehouse near you, and then mailed out to your specific address from there. This means no Canadian shipping times/rates, which should be a huge relief to my Aussie friends. In fact, Creature Caster is now prepared to do huge volume and offer reliable shipping in ways we could have never done before. This has been a very big month for us.
Treewoman might make it in as a stretch goal. Same with the Zombie Dragon. We are working around the clock to get the plague demon back in there. There will not be any small scale 28 mil figs in this campaign, only epics.
We have models planned for the second wave, among them is a golem. After the campaign I will start up design threads so we can all get involved and create the creatures that we want and need. In the meantime, if you had any ideas or reference for a golem, or a miniature you would love to see made, start posting them in here and it will give me something to think about.
I will be back here all up until the campaign launch, and then all the way thru and after. Post any questions you got here, but also 'like' the Facebook page if you get a chance.
CreatureCaster wrote: Treewoman might make it in as a stretch goal. Same with the Zombie Dragon. We are working around the clock to get the plague demon back in there. There will not be any small scale 28 mil figs in this campaign, only epics.
I kinda figured it'd have to be fethhueg to warrant being double the price. But is it really THAT much bigger then the other (already quite massive) models?
CreatureCaster wrote: We have models planned for the second wave, among them is a golem. After the campaign I will start up design threads so we can all get involved and create the creatures that we want and need. In the meantime, if you had any ideas or reference for a golem, or a miniature you would love to see made, start posting them in here and it will give me something to think about.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! So awesome
Second wave, does that mean, a future campaign / release, not a part of this one, right? I will post up a bunch of images that I think are great inspiration, although I'm sure you guys will put your own spin on any creation . This may happen right after AdeptiCon as I'm paining like a madman still (almost done!).
Also:
CreatureCaster wrote:Hey guys. The Kickstarter is indeed on April 19th. I hit the launch button at 12:00 EST (New York)
Excellent to know, thanks for coming in here to post it
Excited about this kickstarter, but have a couple concerns. What resolution are the figures being printed at and will any post printing work be done on the figs. I ask because a local painter is doing some work for another kickstater and upon getting the model to paint, he had to do significant smoothing and sanding on the fig prior to painting due to the printing layers being visible. This was for a Golden Demon level paint job that would be use for promotion of the figs.
Seeing the layers on the figs he was working on has me concerned about throwing money at these figs.
Any particular reason why the Emperor Dragon is so much more expensive?
Our prices are largely based on the amount, size and weigh of the parts that need to be cast for a model kit. We generated out first series of cost estimates based on the computer renderings. When we began to do test prints, we realized that the dragons, while being huge, are not so huge as to warrant a 200 dollar price tag. In fact, the dragons strikes, what I consider to be, an excellent balance between size and value. The dragons will cost a fair amount less than 200, but still more than 120. That is as close an estimate I can give you before launch.
Also what sort of early bird deals are we talking about here?
Again, can not give specific amounts, but the amount will be in the ballpark of about 15 percent off. It will be a little better than the average Kickstarter early bird discount.
Excited about this kickstarter, but have a couple concerns. What resolution are the figures being printed at and will any post printing work be done on the figs. I ask because a local painter is doing some work for another kickstater and upon getting the model to paint, he had to do significant smoothing and sanding on the fig prior to painting due to the printing layers being visible. This was for a Golden Demon level paint job that would be use for promotion of the figs.
I actually go to great lengths to make "paintable" miniatures, that anyone can make look good. A good ink and drybrush works great on these models. I agree that a Golden Demon painting on a figure can be distracting and daunting.
The 3D prints are the master for our mold making process. I am glad you asked about this. Since I have been a traditional physical sculptor, plus sculpt on 3D and have experience printing dozens of models, I am able to source out literally the worlds best 3D printing on the best machines. There is be no visible staring on the printable surface of the model, period. This attached picture is an actual 3D print, done on an EnvisionTec machine, using photosilver. This is NOT your average print. It is a very expensive jewlery/dental grade print, and is, in my opinion, the only standard that should be acceptable when printing wargames miniatures.
Simply cannot wait for the kickstarter to happen. I think just about everyone at my FLGS is tired of me talking about it for the last few months.
When it comes to the early bird special, is there only going to be a limited amount of slots available for those deals, or will it follow a certain period of time in which you qualify for the specials?
Also, it was said that the discounted rate of models through the kickstarter was upwards of 50%. Does/will that include the early bird special, or is there a chance that models will be around 65% off?
CreatureCaster wrote:Our prices are largely based on the amount, size and weigh of the parts that need to be cast for a model kit. We generated out first series of cost estimates based on the computer renderings. When we began to do test prints, we realized that the dragons, while being huge, are not so huge as to warrant a 200 dollar price tag. In fact, the dragons strikes, what I consider to be, an excellent balance between size and value. The dragons will cost a fair amount less than 200, but still more than 120. That is as close an estimate I can give you before launch.
So if I understand you correctly, you're saying the dragons are more expensive due to the complexity of the kit and the process of making the kit and will therefore be somewhere between 120 and 200 dollars?
Again, can not give specific amounts, but the amount will be in the ballpark of about 15 percent off. It will be a little better than the average Kickstarter early bird discount.
Hmm 15% off's pretty good whack. Probably gonna be worth staying up for.
In the campaign, you will have the early bird special. This will be limited to about 300 units per pledge tier. This will save you some money.
There is also the discount on all models on the campaign. We can not say what amount this is specifically at this point, but that is also gonna save you money.
There are also bundle deals that are gonna save you even more money.
The models will not be 50 percent off their MSRP as perhaps as might have been mentioned way back. Slashing prices would leave me vulnerable to any changes in manufacturing costs, shipping, etc. My campaign is focused on giving you a fair price, fair shipping, along with a real focus on the range of exclusive (and free) parts for your model kits.
So if I understand you correctly, you're saying the dragons are more expensive due to the complexity of the kit and the process of making the kit and will therefore be somewhere between 120 and 200 dollars?
The amount of pieces (molds), combined the the overall weight of resin for the kit is typically the starter on how price is determined. Small factors also include whether or not it can fit into a small parcel, or a larger or unconventional box, etc. Sometimes a heavier model is not only more expensive in material cost, but also is more expensive to ship to a distributor as well. The consumer pays to get the model shipped from their local warehouse to their home, but since we have to pay to get the models to the warehouse, we have to cover that cost as well. All in all, pricing involves a lot of careful observation, experience and subtlety.
I know that price range is vague. The dragons will certainly cost less than $200, that is for sure.
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Have you got an idea of how long after the campaign closes you'll be able to provide product?
We will undergo a short period of finalization of the designs, then move to final print, then to manufacture. Since our models are almost entirely sculpted, there will not be a massive wait as there is with some campaigns. However, I will be asking for a longer period of time in the campaign, since it is better to under-promise and over-deliver. I can not give you concrete times before the campaign launches, but that info will be up opening day. I can say that it will fulfill more quickly than your average campaign, and I will be posting with you every step of the way after the campaign has finished.
Since it won't be at 50% of MSRP, is there any estimate you can give for the bundle deals? I personally plan to pick up every model you throw at us, so the bundle deals are definitely the thing I'm most looking forward to (outside of actually holding the beautiful models).
Also, back in one of the last video blogs where you highlighted Arushnee's alternate blade, it seemed like the kickstarter pieces would be a choice. Does this mean when we pledge we will have to choose between the exclusives and the regular set-up, or will we be getting all of the exclusives alongside the model? I ask this only because it's often kind of hard to judge certain aspects of models simply from pictures, so having to choose certain pieces without being able to test them out in person might be a bit withdrawing.
Many thanks for all the quick updates and replies, it's great to see you so in-tune with the community on this project!
I really appreciate your enthusiasm Buttler. The biggest package deal will certainly have you saving the most money, by a pretty good margin. If you do the superfast buttonmash impulse click on the all-inclusive package deal, and then do the math after, you are going to be very happy. This is the greatest savings in all the campaign.
The Kickstarter exclusive parts are great because you get all the entire standard kit, and then all of the exclusive parts as additional components. You can mix and match whichever pieces you prefer, and have some really high-end bits left over.
I will see you on the message board in the campaign as well, and will be there answering any questions you have during the entire campaign and beyond.
I'm definitely looking forward to it and I'm sure I'll conjure up some more questions throughout the campaign.
Can't wait to see the rest of the stretch goal models, especially the triumphant return of Ganadhar as well as the Chaos Dragon (who needs a name and backstory, even if he isn't advertised with one!).
This, a thousand times this, seriously that's the one thing that always seems to erode all the good will generated by a well run Kickstarter, when the wait time turns out to be double what was promised.
Also really hoping the plague daemon makes it back in, but it wouldn't stop me getting at least one or two others if he didn't appear till KS2, I'd rather he was perfect than rushed but you've clearly got that attitude too and I rather like it.
I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.
Hollismason wrote: I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.
If there's going to be limited early birds, can you do us a favour and post details of what the pledge levels are and exactly what's in them before the KS goes live? I hate these kind of "who can load the website and click the button fastest" discount systems on KS, but if that's what we're getting I'd at least like to know which button I'm supposed to be trying to click.
Hollismason wrote: I'll never get the lets put tits on it school of sculpting. Personally it doesn't nothing for me. Honestly, I'd like to see more bulging crotches maybe some good outlines of what they got down there if you know what I mean.
You want them to go to the trouble of creating genitalia but cover it with pants? I was going to suggest Mierce, but, no pants!
A very interesting little video was posted the other day about the Spider Deamon's expression. Jeremy modifies the expression on the fly, giving a very interesting insight not only into the design philosophy, but also the tools used. Very interesting.
The new face looks so much better. She looks sinister and sexy rather than a dumb-blonde that got a makeover from H.R. Giger. I wouldn't have even considered buying one before, but now it's tempting.
It's a good change. Makes it look less like a sex doll and more like a sinister demon beast.
there is no reason the two have to be mutually exclusive.
haha, awesome.
Yes, April 19th is the date, Information gets spread out and decentralized, since I answer questions here and there as they pop up. Next time I think I will do a more "press-release" style of answering. Having said that, Creature Caster clanmates have been excellent ambassadors of spreading useful information around.
Lots of interviews coming up . We have had lots of adds to the Facebook and I know a lot of those people are Dakkaites, so thanks for the likes. I will be here often, so post any questions you got.
Heya Dakkaites. The Creature Caster Kickstarter is almost upon us (April 19th). To celebrate, I go down memory lane and share with you a sculpt I did 10 years ago. My first sculpt! Ack!
I also show you some sculpting tools I use plus a little-known sculpting material in the last half.
@CreatureCaster: Loving the videos - keep em up. Would love to see more of your process. Have you considered putting out tutorials? I know that would take a lot of time and effort, but even a speedsculpt thing would be fantastic to watch. It's a bit like magic.
So, any word on fulfillment timeline? I am personally most curious about when you might pencil in a wave 2, for things like the Golem . But I understand that you're focusing on your first offerings right now, of course.
I find it funny that you think your first model is so bad but I couldn't sculpt something that good in a million years. I don't think I've been this excited about a Kickstarter in a while. Meanwhile, my wallet weeps as it knows it's about to become very barren.
That first model I did was good for a first timer, but I got a personality that allows me to really get down on myself and my abilities, especially when comparing myself to people who are great. I was looking at a lot of Shiflett brothers stuff and thought I would never have what it takes. It has been a long road, that is for sure. I am glad I kept the model tho
Chaos Golems? Constructs? Abominations? Ummm..... that actually sounds pretty badass.
As far as the fulfillment timeline, no specifics can be given out before the 19th, since things are subject to small tweaks before the launch. When plotting our timelines we are dealing with small and very achievable goals. We are under-promising and over-delivering. No crazy long wait times, guaranteed.
I would love to make more tutorials. I honestly never even tried up until a few weeks ago, and I really enjoy it. Everyone seems very receptive and appreciative, and I look forward to making more ocmprehensive tutorials in the future. I am really looking forward to live sculpting events, when you can sit in a google hangout, and help critique a model as it is being sculpted. Why not?
Here is a pic I just released on the Creature Caster Facebook page. If you don't "like" us yet, then go ahead and do that now if you got a second. www.facebook.com/creaturecaster This is just a prototype print I got to help me decide on the final scale of the model, but I was really happy with how the detail appears in the physical model. An inkwash will practically paint this model itself. The final print and resin-cast model will have even greater depth and sharpness. I have been looking at this model for so long. Holding it for the first time was very satisfying. Now I just wanna paint one!
You know what I'd really like to see? A giant, terrifying, gribbly, vicious centipede. Centipedes are enormously creepy critters and I think there is a serious lack of them in the miniature world. In fact, a giant creepy bug in you guys' modelling style would be awesome in general.
FFS guys, spoiler those pics please. How would you like to wander into a thread and find yourself staring at pics of a horribly mutilated rotting corpse? Because that's the reaction a lot of people will have to those.
B0B MaRlEy wrote:To be fair the poster's australian, so those are probably like pets to him.
More like snack you mean.
jonolikespie wrote:Please, they are such boring pets. We generally prefer crocodiles or wild boars.
My dad lived next door to woman who had a feral pig as a pet. She fed it only fresh loaves of bread and fresh veggies. It drank only the finest water which she sauced from the kitchen tap. And i gak you not she gave it a brandy every friday night after her husband and son went down the pub.
Hey theres another good creature to cast. Big ol nasty feral boar.
My dad lived next door to woman who had a feral pig as a pet. She fed it only fresh loaves of bread and fresh veggies. It drank only the finest water which she sauced from the kitchen tap. And i gak you not she gave it a brandy every friday night after her husband and son went down the pub.
Australia, ladies and gentlemen.
The sad thing is,this totally fits my mental image of what to expect in Australia. Exalted to the sound of a didgeridoo.
Fun story.
Also- golems and stuff would be cool. We all know inflicting more reptiles on the world would be better. I'd be curious as to how a Creature Caster armored theropod would turn out.
Shame the not-Great Unclean One was dropped, it would have motivated me to back this. One question, has there been word on whether these will be shipped from Europe for European backers?
I have come back, only to be thoroughly disturbed by the creatures of Australia and New Zealand!
I love those references. I can already think of a few models that could incorperate those types of designs and textures. I really do appreciate the requests. I am going to do this Kickstarter, fulfill those orders, and then get you guys back together for a design sesh. While all this business type stuff is cool, my passion is for sculpting and I can not wait to sculpt some of these ideas!
We are still working on our plague demon guy..... but we might have good news for you as the campaign progresses in the form of stretch goal model. Definitely follow the campaign and I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
CreatureCaster wrote: Heya Dakkaites. The Creature Caster Kickstarter is almost upon us (April 19th).
I had a moment of panic just now, thinking that this was launching on the 14th. Fair play of you to launch on a Saturday, hopefully I remember to check then!
Is it Saturday yet? Seriously, these models are just so great and the communication with the community is just fantastic. So excited to get my hands on one (several?) of these beauties.
Will there be a pledge level for folks who just want to give a show of support to the campaign / get updates? I might be in that situation here, in that I'd love to get the campaign updates but will likely be waiting for your next wave of creatures (yes, that golem ) since I don't have any army that could use a daemon or dragon right now (just chaos dwarfs). But despite that, I'd love to pledge and track the campaign and your progress, and I imagine there are others who feel similarly... and it's always easier to get folks to up their pledges once they have signed on to a campaign
There will be a 1 dollar option. I personally like these since it is the easiest way to get campaign updates sent right to my email. If something pops up that I want, or when I decide on my order, then I can hit the "manage my pledge" button, and change my order from the donation to the pledge.
The cool thing about my donation tier is that it will grant you to all the backer exclusive stuff, like live sculpting sessions, model critiques, art books with video commentary, etc. It is the best dollar anyone ever spent
I will be so happy when this campaign goes live. It feels like forever since we started the pre-campaign, but the time has been well worth it. I am especially glad to be here at Dakka chatting with you guys, and will be here thru the campaign and well after.
Shipping is a flat international fee, since the product will be shipped to warehouses all around the world. It should not be any more than you might be used to paying for an international shipment of a comparable size and weight.
The exact prices will be listed clearly in the campaign, launching on Saturday. Let me know what you think.
CreatureCaster wrote: Shipping is a flat international fee, since the product will be shipped to warehouses all around the world. It should not be any more than you might be used to paying for an international shipment of a comparable size and weight.
The exact prices will be listed clearly in the campaign, launching on Saturday. Let me know what you think.
Will that include appropriate taxes/avoid import duty? Because if not, UK buyers are going to have to factor in a 20% increase in cost(total, including shipping) to account for VAT. EU customers will have to consider that as well.
CreatureCaster wrote: Shipping is a flat international fee, since the product will be shipped to warehouses all around the world. It should not be any more than you might be used to paying for an international shipment of a comparable size and weight.
The exact prices will be listed clearly in the campaign, launching on Saturday. Let me know what you think.
Will that include appropriate taxes/avoid import duty? Because if not, UK buyers are going to have to factor in a 20% increase in cost(total, including shipping) to account for VAT. EU customers will have to consider that as well.
Not to mention custom fees, too. So it would be unfortunate if this can't be setup to help oversea backers out.
As far as I can count it's 6 hour from now and as far as I know the whole deal about sending them around the world then resend them was to avoid extra taxes. But I do not know for sure, but I do hope so.
I still haven't decided on a dragon or just wait to see if the treewoman turn up in the stretch goals.
We are able to ship from a hub within Great Britain, Unless anything crazy happens, we should be able to avoid having anyone pay the VAT. This is a huge deal to us, so don't worry, we are all over it.
About 3 hours now. Before the campaign launches I want to that all of you who post and lurk here on Dakkadakka. This is currently the only forum I regularly post on and check, and its my favorite and has been from the beginning. Thanks for all your encouragement, I will see you on the other side
Just a heads up, the early birds are great, but the bundles offer even better savings than the early birds, and there is no limited quantity on the bundles.
If you got one or two specific models you want and that is all, then button mash an early bird. If you want 4, 5 or 6, do the math on the bundle and you will be very pleased, plus you do not have to button mash
Just a heads up, the early birds are great, but the bundles offer even better savings than the early birds, and there is no limited quantity on the bundles.
If you got one or two specific models you want and that is all, then button mash an early bird. If you want 4, 5 or 6, do the math on the bundle and you will be very pleased, plus you do not have to button mash
See, I wish you hadn't told me that. I may well end up wanting 4 or 5 but I'd feel stupid staying up until 2am and not snatching up an earlybird..
You will be giving me the energy and encouragement to add more awesome stuff to the campaign tho!
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CreatureCaster wrote: ... but if I were you I would button mash, and then ponder your order since you can always switch your pledge tier later, and the bundles aren't going anywhere.
Yeah, I have a feeling that's what most people will be doing
Yeah even we're confused by it . Sorry guys... maybe you can catch a nap jonolikespie, since I know it's late there... just don't fall deep asleep and miss the button mashing!