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The larger models in the Darklands KS1 were too cheap, Mierce have said as much, so KS2 is probably a better guide, and the prices are I'm the same ball park.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:


Why are they not doing the plague one? He looked awesome.

The Plague Demon had some scale issues. It was far too big in comparison to the other demons and the production cost would have made its retail value something a bit outrageous.
Other than that, I believe they are going to also rework a few minor details (such as the giant tongue/mouth in its belly) on top of rescaling it. Should reappear at some point in the future.

Really glad to hear about the various distribution centres! Great relief that, as it makes the models a lot more accessable to Europeans

Good to see you're taking your time to do things right from the start as well, would much prefer a delay now over lots of problems during and after the kickstarter

A blog update was posted for those who were unaware. It seems like the Kickstarter Exclusives will in fact be variant demon parts (heads, etc) as expect. By the looks of it, if they're all as good as the one previewed, I'm excited.

 Snrub wrote:
Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.

You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...

 Azazelx wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.

You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...

The GW ones are also TERRIBLE models and should never be bought by anyone, regardless of cost.

Both very valid points. If I were going to buy a GW GD I'd be going on ebay for it or buying from overseas. But if I did want a GD I'd almost certainly splash out and get a FW one.


So in summery, the Games Workshop Greater Daemons are overpriced gak.

 CreatureCaster wrote:
Hi guys, sorry about the time away. Just been working hard on the exclusives. As posted above (thanks for filing the thread in) I went on Beeble Babble and talked a lot about the campaign. It really is better than ever.

Between getting the final cast samples back and finishing our exclusives, we will announce a launch date in a few weeks. We are working very hard, and are careful to throw a date out there. Any work we can complete in the front end is less time you have to wait in the back end.

We are doing our best to arrange worldwide drop-shipping from hubs in Europe and the States, NOT Canada. Exact shipping costs will vary, but you will know that you are getting it shipped from a country with a good shipping rate.

If you aren't on the Creature Caster Facebook then "like" us there and get consistent updates. Thanks for your patience and support. We feel these epic models are worth the wait.

Thanks for the update

These prices are ballparks mind you. We will have more information soon. Having said that, we are attempting to make models that fill a gap in the models that are currently available.

- For 70 bucks (USD), you get a greater demon model that is made from a very old sculpt (old balrogthirster). Does anyone know exactly how old these sculpts are?

- For 100 bucks (USD), you get a playable superfine resin model (warrior demon) that fits onto a 50x50 base, which is about 6.5 inches tall. Optional bits include various upgrade parts and the back spikes if you would prefer him without wings.

- For $230 bucks (USD) you can get a pie-plate playable superfine resin model from Forge World (balorthrister). It is about 10 inches tall, with most of the mass and height in the wings. No optional parts. No non-winged parts.

It comes down to preference. Both are options that exist and should exist, because there is that huge gap that lies between old small demons and massive resin ones. I personally would like all that high-end and unique quality, in a package that is both playable and in a price point that I can comfortably piece together from a few paychecks of saving. We feel we struck the balance, but it really comes down to preference.

Ouch. As an Aussie, $100USD for a demon really makes me sad. Especially since, I'm certain there'll be no quarter given on shipping to my end of the world. Though I was going to stay up and secure a dragon, I am definitely hesitant now with the pricing.

I feel in the last few years, GWs artificial inflation of minis has conditioned many to believe that GWs prices are the norm.

Kickstarters like Reaper's give me faith that I'm not the only one scratching my head in bewilderment at how far out the value equation for small albeit beautiful bits of plastic has become.

Anyway, I am sure whatever your pricing, people will come in droves. I just really hope your pricing reflects the fact that kickstarter is technically a collateral free, contractless, interest free form of immediate financing enabled by the goodwill of backers.... In short, mercy would appreciated

Yeah, 100 USD doesn't bother me... what bothers me, is the lack of a golem! Preferably a stone golem, but earth would work, etc... and whatever artistic interpretation you'd like to apply to it would be great, I'm sure . Hope you'll consider one for your second go-round

You and your golems!

What about the lizards, huh? And giant armored theropods!

I admit, I would be curious to see what they'd do with some sort of golem.


I'm curious if there will be any smaller scale stuff available during this campaign, or if that will be reserved for future ones.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Considering the GW Greater Demons are $96AUS then $100 US/CAN isn't that bad for us. It really depends on how much shipping is going to cost.

You'd have to be pretty silly to actually buy one of those for that price, though. Get it from a US discounter or get a forge world one if you're considering that sort of money, surely...

The GW ones are also TERRIBLE models and should never be bought by anyone, regardless of cost.

Oh, they're not that bad. The Bloodthirster and Lord of Change are alright - pretty much on the level I consider a lot of Mantic's stuff at. The Keeper of Secrets is indeed awful, and the Great Unclean One is pretty good, though lacks the same personality that the Forge World one has. I do prefer the FW ones to all of the GW ones, and also the original RoC ones in terms of design and (mostly) sculpt (though they're a little small by today's standards, and aspects like the Bloodthirster's wings suffer from the limitations of the day)


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 Snrub wrote:

So in summery, the Games Workshop Greater Daemons are overpriced gak.

Hm. Good point. I got the four of mine when they were released, back in the mid-late 1990s, when prices weren't as ridonkulous as they are now. By today's standards the sculpts suffer quite badly, and the prices are just a joke.


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 CreatureCaster wrote:
These prices are ballparks mind you. We will have more information soon. Having said that, we are attempting to make models that fill a gap in the models that are currently available.

- For 70 bucks (USD), you get a greater demon model that is made from a very old sculpt (old balrogthirster). Does anyone know exactly how old these sculpts are?

- For 100 bucks (USD), you get a playable superfine resin model (warrior demon) that fits onto a 50x50 base, which is about 6.5 inches tall. Optional bits include various upgrade parts and the back spikes if you would prefer him without wings.

- For $230 bucks (USD) you can get a pie-plate playable superfine resin model from Forge World (balorthrister). It is about 10 inches tall, with most of the mass and height in the wings. No optional parts. No non-winged parts.

It comes down to preference. Both are options that exist and should exist, because there is that huge gap that lies between old small demons and massive resin ones. I personally would like all that high-end and unique quality, in a package that is both playable and in a price point that I can comfortably piece together from a few paychecks of saving. We feel we struck the balance, but it really comes down to preference.

I think I'm going to go with owning all three, plus the original.

Getting in contact with The Combat Company might be a good move for drop-shipping to Australia, unless you already have a solution in mind.
http://thecombatcompany.com/

They're doing a similar thing with Secret Weapon's Tablescapes, though they have an existing relationship with them.

coolmandool wrote:
Ouch. As an Aussie, $100USD for a demon really makes me sad. Especially since, I'm certain there'll be no quarter given on shipping to my end of the world. Though I was going to stay up and secure a dragon, I am definitely hesitant now with the pricing.

I feel in the last few years, GWs artificial inflation of minis has conditioned many to believe that GWs prices are the norm.

Kickstarters like Reaper's give me faith that I'm not the only one scratching my head in bewilderment at how far out the value equation for small albeit beautiful bits of plastic has become.

Anyway, I am sure whatever your pricing, people will come in droves. I just really hope your pricing reflects the fact that kickstarter is technically a collateral free, contractless, interest free form of immediate financing enabled by the goodwill of backers.... In short, mercy would appreciated

His last post said he may ship from the UK as well as the US/CAN and if that's the case it shouldn't be to bad, things on eBay of comparable sizes from the US cost like $30+ to ship yet the same things from the UK are like $8-$10.

As a UK resident, I sincerely hope I'll be able to get my hands on these.

If production is in China, shipping to australia and asia pac should just go from there. Didnt dreamforge do this?

Anyway fingers crossed 200buckeroos for the dragons isnt true!

We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.

They've been periodically messaging people on Facebook. Hadn't for a couple days, but yesterday a few replies went out. Nothing too major to gain from them except that weapon variants will be a stretch goal available throughout the kickstarter.

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.

Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.

PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.

Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.

PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...

"Started Wargaming 1996" Would be my first guess.

We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait.

The info have been spread out all over the internet. You can watch some videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQgrxQJTAg4
And here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCe7ps6QIxU

Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.

In a few post up he did write they will be around 100 USD and I heard somewhere, maybe in the videos, that the emperor dragon would be twice as much.

From what I have gathered the kickstarter will only contain the models on his webpage, with a very small chance of some small models.
Most of the time he is proberly busy to preparing everything, so people don’t have to wait months or years for the miniatures
Other big miniatures will be in a later kickstarter or just on his store; miniatures like zombiedragon, treepeople and golems.

I really want to support the kickstarter, but I want a huge treewoman and a stonegolem, so I guess I have to wait for the next round, unless I can convince myself for a 200 dollar dragon.

Heya Dakkaites. I haven't posted in a while. Thanks Zroll and others who have helped share information. I a short while we will be able to catch everyone up, and give you all the answers you have been waiting for.

Launch dates and item costs are the things people want to know the most. As soon as I have accurate information, you will be among the first to know. You understand that everything needs to be perfect, and we only have one shot to have a perfect campaign.

In between skype calls all over the world, I have been working on concept art, and holding design conversations on our Facebook page. If you haven't "liked" us on facebook, then perhaps do so the next time you are on. There are updates all the time there, lots of art, etc.

We just finished printing Prothero, the emperor dragon, I can confirm now is that his size turned out perfect. Not too big, not too small. A rider looks killer standing in the howdah (with a 20 mil base), while seated riders fit great on the saddle. He balances great. Extremely happy with his print and we are glad to have him in reality. We will have a video blog of him as soon as his final prep for casting is complete.


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Treewoman? Yes!

Stone golem? I should be making one of those!

Creature Caster wrote:Stone golem? I should be making one of those!

Woot! Put me down for two when you do

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 monkeypuzzle wrote:
We need a new update soon, 2 weeks with no official news is a long time to wait. Feels like this has gone off the boil. Even if they had posted a message on their website telling us nothing happening for at least a month it would be better. I'm worried I might miss the start now when it does finally happen as I have stopped regularly checking the website.

Agreed- I'd like to see some implication of how much you need to pledge to get one of these beasts.

PS> how on earth do you have that much stuff monkeypuzzle? That's A LOT of minis...

It means I don't get bored by playing the same army all the time, in fact I'm not sure I have ever played the exact same list twice. It also means I know the strengths and weaknesses of all armies I face. For me collecting is the best part of the hobby. I have been collecting a long time and my armies are still growing!

new updated via FB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxcSDIkqAKI&feature=youtu.be

says they're going to announce KS start date next week. also, new sword for early birds on the not-KoS. looks tight.

Creature Caster why do you disable youtube comments? I don't use facebook. I suppose I can always comment here.

I'd forgotten all about this one!

Sadly I think they've lost a considerable amount of customers by dropping the Nurgle looking model from the line up. That was the only model I was interested in.

April 19th KS starts. I hope every update isn't a fething video, do they know how to type?

Hey guys. The Kickstarter is indeed on April 19th. I hit the launch button at 12:00 EST (New York)

It is true that most of the conversation takes place on the Facebook, but I have been posting on Dakka for years now and wish to visit this page more often. If I don't, the conversation drifts off into platypus-land rather quickly! (Ride'able demonic platypus still being considered)

Thank you to the Creature Caster fans who have been mirroring information on the forums. You are excellent ambassadors.

The price of the demons is actually under $100 USD. The emperor will come in under $200 as well. This is contingent on having a successful Kickstarter campaign, and getting a larger production run with bulk discounts. Hand-poured two-part solid no-filler epoxy resin is an expensive medium. Each part of every model kit is cleaned by hand, is rigorously inspected, hand-stamp authenticated, includes a certificate of authenticity, etc. It is a quality product, and I am doing my best to make it an affordable one as well.

The Youtube comments are disabled. They will be enabled for the next vids tho. I simply have not gotten into the habit of clicking the enable button. I will also be here more often to answer questions as well.

We are using an extremely reliable global shipping fulfillment service to get the crates of miniatures sent to a warehouse near you, and then mailed out to your specific address from there. This means no Canadian shipping times/rates, which should be a huge relief to my Aussie friends. In fact, Creature Caster is now prepared to do huge volume and offer reliable shipping in ways we could have never done before. This has been a very big month for us.

Treewoman might make it in as a stretch goal. Same with the Zombie Dragon. We are working around the clock to get the plague demon back in there. There will not be any small scale 28 mil figs in this campaign, only epics.

We have models planned for the second wave, among them is a golem. After the campaign I will start up design threads so we can all get involved and create the creatures that we want and need. In the meantime, if you had any ideas or reference for a golem, or a miniature you would love to see made, start posting them in here and it will give me something to think about.

I will be back here all up until the campaign launch, and then all the way thru and after. Post any questions you got here, but also 'like' the Facebook page if you get a chance.