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So, to the many who said 'take Demonhunters' to Vegas, you get your wish.

I plan on spending a hellish amount of time working on this army in the next few months.

How many games will I win? Hard to say. I made this army as tough as I could.

EDIT: Correct list posted below:

1750 Pts - Daemonhunters Roster - DH GT List

1 Inquisitor Lord [WH] @ 166 Pts
Hammer of the Witches; Close Combat Weapon (x1); Shotgun; Excruciators
1 Penitent [WH] @ [7] Pts
Close Combat Weapon
3 Warrior [WH] @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor [WH] @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter
1 Chirurgeon [WH] @ [12] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon
1 Excruciators [WH] @ [5] Pts

0 Grey Knight Hero @ 274 Pts
Brother Captain
1 Brother-Captain @ [274] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Add Grey Knight Terminators; Psycannon; Psychic Hood; Terminator Armour
3 Grey Knight Terminator Retinue @ [163] Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x2); Psycannon (x1)
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

2 Grey Knight Terminators @ 208 Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x1); Psycannon (x1)
1 Brother-Captain @ [91] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Psycannon; Terminator Armour
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

1 Inquisitor [WH] @ 135 Pts
Hammer of the Witches; Shotgun
1 Penitent [WH] @ [7] Pts
Close Combat Weapon
3 Warrior [WH] @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor [WH] @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter
1 Chirurgeon [WH] @ [12] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon

1 Inquisitor @ 165 Pts
Null Rod (x1); Psycannon; Auspex
3 Warrior @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter
3 Mystic @ [18] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon

5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 70 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x3); Meltagun (x2); Targeter

5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 70 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x3); Meltagun (x2); Targeter

0 Infantry Platoon @ 320 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [65] Pts
1 Junior Officer @ [40] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol
4 Guardsmen @ [25] Pts
Lasgun (x3); Lascannon
9 Infantry Squad @ [85] Pts
Lasgun (x8); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun
9 Infantry Squad @ [85] Pts
Lasgun (x8); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun
9 Infantry Squad @ [85] Pts
Lasgun (x8); Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Lasgun

11 Battle Sisters Squad [WH] @ 171 Pts
Bolter (x9); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior [WH] @ [30] Pts
Bolter; Book of St. Lucius

11 Battle Sisters Squad [WH] @ 171 Pts
Bolter (x9); Meltagun (x2)
1 Veteran Sister Superior [WH] @ [30] Pts
Bolter; Book of St. Lucius

Total Roster Cost: 1750

No assassin? Ah well, good luck!!!

It seemed too obvious. So I skipped.

IMO this list is awful.

You are a good player so you will win a couple of games, 3 games max.

Ok.

no one in my area plays witch/deamon hunter, so i'm not sure how this list is going to work out.
i think you got a good chance to win some games because of the chaos deamons hype(!), every game facing them should be an instant win
i think you might win up to four games

When they said take Daemonhunters, did they mean take Daemonhunters w/Allies, or just take Daemonhunters.

BYE

Just Pure Demon Hunters thats it.(no witch hunters at all.)

Good luck making the Army.

2 wins 2 losses 1 draw

But holy crap will you have fun

HFN

It looks like you're really expecting a lot of daemons.

What purpose do you expect the unmounted, non-deepstriking, non-infiltrating meltagun stormtroopers to accomplish?

I like the inclusion of the inducted squad to add a lot of extra scoring bodies - that's a nice touch, especially with the large sister units nearby to provide solid leadership for them. Those blocks should be able to hold against a lot.

I'm not a big fan of your inquisitor loadouts. You have one with a penitent?? So, ok, you get a 4+ against psychic powers. Is this guy really just there as a cheap body for your Witch Hammer guy? You've got another with the two mystics - very nice, except I don't see any single unit providing really powerful shooting. Assuming something lands 18" away and you get your free shots at it. What are you nominating to fire? The best options you've got here are:

12 Bolter shots from a sisters unit
6 Psycannon and 4 storm bolter shots from your grandmaster's unit

The psycannon shots will hurt daemons, but other things deep strike besides daemons. You're going to be hard-pressed to get an effect against pods or termies striking near you. And, that's not so bad, it's not an expensive toy, but, when you could get a plasma cannon with the ability to splat an entire unit of deepstrikers for only a few points in the same force org slot, I don't understand why you wouldn't find points for the servitor.

I'm going to have to second Redbeard, why the minimun size squads of IS? Wouldn't they be better with plasmaguns? I'm assuming they are there for objectives and reacting to power armoured threats appearing in your midst?

Also why do you have the Emperors Tarot in your list? Isn't that item worthless in 5th edition? There is no role to go first in 5th right? Unless they are using old missions?

Redbeard wrote:It looks like you're really expecting a lot of daemons.

Well, I'm expecting alot of deep striking units since it's always available.

Redbeard wrote:What purpose do you expect the unmounted, non-deepstriking, non-infiltrating meltagun stormtroopers to accomplish?

They are required troop choices, btw.

I expect them to support the Sisters, and run behind them for additional AT in midfield.

Speed bumps basically, and in loot missions they'll be running around planting flags.

About all I can hope for really.

Redbeard wrote:I like the inclusion of the inducted squad to add a lot of extra scoring bodies - that's a nice touch, especially with the large sister units nearby to provide solid leadership for them. Those blocks should be able to hold against a lot.

Thanks.

Redbeard wrote:I'm not a big fan of your inquisitor loadouts. You have one with a penitent?? So, ok, you get a 4+ against psychic powers. Is this guy really just there as a cheap body for your Witch Hammer guy? You've got another with the two mystics - very nice, except I don't see any single unit providing really powerful shooting. Assuming something lands 18" away and you get your free shots at it. What are you nominating to fire? The best options you've got here are:

He's a cheap body, but essentially I want as many units to have a secondary save against psychic attacks as possible.

GK, Sisters, the inquisitors...it's part of the theme. With a hood and hammer, I hope to cripple enemy psykers quickly.

Redbeard wrote:12 Bolter shots from a sisters unit
6 Psycannon and 4 storm bolter shots from your grandmaster's unit

Actually either GK unit will fire, but the elite terminator squad will have the elite inquisitor with psycannon attached.

Two auspexes are included for a reason.

So that's 9 psycannon shots and 4 SB shots.

If you note, I did not take any plasma in this army.

I don't think it fits the fluff of the Sisters or the Grey Knights, so I left it out.

Redbeard wrote:The psycannon shots will hurt daemons, but other things deep strike besides daemons. You're going to be hard-pressed to get an effect against pods or termies striking near you. And, that's not so bad, it's not an expensive toy, but, when you could get a plasma cannon with the ability to splat an entire unit of deepstrikers for only a few points in the same force org slot, I don't understand why you wouldn't find points for the servitor.

Well here's the way I see it. Termies deep strike near me.

I can kill them with lascannons, meltaguns, sisters, and mass fire from GK.

If I'm lucky, I can get off shots with the one unit. 9 psycannon and 4 SB shots isn't terrible.

It isn't that I think it's the best possible, it's that I have a certain theme and I don't want to deviate from it if I don't have to.

Personally I want people to DS near me, not at max range, so I can get free shots off.

If that's all I get, is a free single turn of shooting...and a unit to contest an objective...works for me.

13 contest units, of which 9 score.

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Midrange shooty, long range anti-tank, long range horde and light vehicle squadron, meltaguns, AND the flavor units I want?

What more can one ask for? Besides plasma. lol

FYI there was a variant I created that had lots of plasmaguns, but it was best run as an IG force...and it had little flavor.

Everyone tells me I run power lists and I shouldn't this year, see how I do.

This list feels like it has a theme, and it feels like I'm plugging holes in the dam with the units I've chosen.

In short, it doesn't scream power to me. Despite my best efforts to make it powerful, it's just good.

Kroeger wrote:I'm going to have to second Redbeard, why the minimun size squads of IS? Wouldn't they be better with plasmaguns? I'm assuming they are there for objectives and reacting to power armoured threats appearing in your midst?

Well I have to run them, first of all.

I don't have any plasmaguns. It doesn't fit my theme. When I actually get some stuff put together and painted, I think you'll understand better.

They are there for objectives, and for killing armor in midfield.

Alot of people don't realize just how hard it is to kill armor.

They're going to get burned (haha stjohn good one eh?) when they bring 2 lascannons and 2 plasmaguns...and vehicles show up! lol

Kroeger wrote:Also why do you have the Emperors Tarot in your list? Isn't that item worthless in 5th edition? There is no role to go first in 5th right? Unless they are using old missions?

Without a FAQ, who knows? Well there's a roll...who knows what GW will say about it.

If it ends up being worthless, I'll take it out.

This list is absolutely awful.
However, Stelek is an excellent strategist.
Thus I think he will not loose all of his games: 2 wins, 3 losses.

Oh and there are no flamers in the army either, due to the planned theme.

Stelek wrote:Oh and there are no flamers in the army either, due to the planned theme.

There is actually nothing in this army.
Do just the opposite what the enemy would expect...

lol you're so mean wuestenfux.

Ill also sign on the beating side, this doesnt look that solid. But if you can win with this you are a good general.

And if you gonna step up to the challange someone made on you, you better bring your A list. Unless you are looking for an excuse in the end.

Nope, there will be no excuses.

I hope to win all 5 games.

Honestly I really just hope to make a pretty army people will like looking at.

This actually looks like a pretty good list to me. Hammer of the witches is pretty strong with the new Perils of the warp rule (no armor save re-roll successful inv saves), but if the opposing side takes no psychic powers, it looks like it's a wasted 90 points.

The Null rod inquisitor will be a nasty surprise for anyone running harliquins, and are used to VoT protecting them.

The inquisitor with the emporers tarot is likewise another suprise for the opponent when you have a decided advantage over who goes first. Again, I like it, but couldn't you just give the Tarot to the null rod inquisitor, and save on the points here again? the mystic's are a good defense against demons, CSM demon bomb armies, and the like, but if the opponent has no Deepstriking units, it's a loss of 60 points.

So if you are playing an army with no psykers and no deepstriking units, you will really be playing with 1600 points rather than 1750. Do you really want to take that risk?

If you do, Go for it!

The sisters and the IG platoon are rock solid. This is a GREAT way to run footslogging sisters IMO. You will do very will with the anti tank power of the Lascannons and the massed Anti infantry fire of the sisters and the Lasguns. Orc boyz beware!

THis list would run better as a Witchhunters list with Deamonhunter allies rather than vice versa, but I understand that this is a pride thing to win with deamonhunters.

I think you will do well, but the loss of points may end up killing you in the end, and there are some enemies that will have a decided advantage over this list. BUt I will go ahead and predict 4 wins, as there needs to be a VERY specific set up to thrash this army. Go for it Stelek, I think this is a rock solid list.

A question, is Vegas a 5th or 4th tourney?

I did think about doing IG or WH as my "base" list, but in the end wanting to have the following units pretty much forced it into DH land. Besides, people kept asking.

Oh the units are: GK termies x2, DH inq x2, WH inqx1.

The way I see the little inq units is like this: Even if they cannot do anything, they can at least sit back and contest my own objectives. Especially so against armies that plan to shoot me off the board while holding their own and never once moving towards me.

It's 5th edition in Vegas.

Oh and I'm glad you noticed the way the army is going to run. I thought I was pretty clever. lol

Stelek wrote:Oh and I'm glad you noticed the way the army is going to run. I thought I was pretty clever. lol

I think that we are going to find that "good" lists run by competent players are often going to defeat "Awesome" one trick pony lists in the coming years. this is a good strong list that covers all of it's bases, and that is exactly the sort of list that is going to do well in 5th.

Stelek wrote:I did think about doing IG or WH as my "base" list, but in the end wanting to have the following units pretty much forced it into DH land. Besides, people kept asking.

Oh the units are: GK termies x2, DH inq x2, WH inqx1.

The way I see the little inq units is like this: Even if they cannot do anything, they can at least sit back and contest my own objectives. Especially so against armies that plan to shoot me off the board while holding their own and never once moving towards me.

It's 5th edition in Vegas.

yeah, but that's another 160 points along with 140 points of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers that are sitting back there doing nothing as well, for a total of 300 points designed to sit back and do nothing unless the opposing army has some very specific units. It's a gamble, thats all I'm saying.

But the concept of Footslogging sisters+deamonhunter termie support+inducted guard=win seems like a good one to me. That's exactly how the Inquisition should be played IMHO

Yeah the inquisitors and the IST's are probably not going to do a whole lot in every game, but that's ok. I can deal with it.

I agree with you that this is how Inquisition should be played...

Wait thought youd do Pure Grey Knight army thats the post on your blog?

Well good luck.

Don't believe I said anywhere I'd run pure Grey Knights.

Someone might have suggested it, perhaps.

It's a demonhunters list. That's good enough, yes?

This would be more of what I would do with this concept (though it violates the rules of the list by being witchhunters, instead of deamonhunters)

Witchhunters 1750

Cannoness - Bolt pistol, Power weapon, Book of St. lucius, Litanies of faith - 86

Grandmaster - nemesis weapon, Psycannon, auspex, book of true names, psychic hood - 207
Terminator retinue - 5 terminators 1 psycannon - 255

Elite - Deamonhunter inquisitor - terminator armor, null rod, Emporer's tarot, Psycannon - 105

Troops - Battlesisters squad - 14 +veteran sister w/ book of st. lucius + 2 meltaguns - 204
Battle sisters squad - 14 +veteran sister w/ book of St. lucius + Evicerator + 2 meltaguns - 229
Battle sisters squad - 14 +veteran sister w/ book of St. lucius + Evicerator + 2 meltaguns - 229
Inducted imperial guard platoon - 435
1 command Squad
Junior officer - Honorifica imperialis
Lascannon.
4 infantry squads w/ lascannons each
Total - 1750 points.

I don't really know if this would work better than yours stelek, but this is what I would probably field. Your's is very good, and I think you will do well with it, especially with people not being that used to making 5th ed lists.

No it's not. lol, thought with your tactical , know how you could win, easily with a pure grey knight army.

What ever good Luck in LVGT.

Just saying

Well, SushiCaddy clarified the use of the Inquisitors.
In the 1th German Heat in April, I faced 5 armies (4 CSM and 1 SM) and each had 2 psykers!
The army could work if you striktly go for the mission objectives.