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I've said it before, but I must just be an idiot magnet as I seem to come into contact with them more than my fair share. I suppose it's just my winning personality. I also must say that although 99% of my Ebay transactions have been made without a flaw I have had a few bad expereinces and come into contact with some shady characters and fools. But this weekend I ran into a situation that is a first for me....a seller that blocked me for no apparent reason at all.

Ok, a little background to put this into context. I'm not nearly as well known here on Dakka as I am on other sites, so to fully understand this allow me a paragraph to do so. I'm not the most popular person over at Warseer. I'm not going to bore you all with the details, but I had an extended conflict with the management of the site back when it was still "Portent" that left a bad taste in many people's mouths. When that site went under and Warseer was created, I was permitted another chance, was allowed to post on the new site and start afressh, and have had a good record on the site since. But some people have held a grudge about the regretable incidents of the past and simply cannot let it go. Thus, although I get along with the majority of members, there are Warseer staffers and rank and file members who have "issues" with me. I like to call these guys "Trenchie haters"...and amusingly there are a couple of these who have migrated to this site. But that's another subject.

One of these clowns is a Warseer staffer who posts under the name "t-tauri".

As I mentioned in a couple of threads, I'm always in the market for older figures and right now I am specificly buying up old Khorne marines for my next project. To make a long story short, I noticed that t-tauri was selling a couple of figure lots on Ebay that I would not mind owning. Unaware of how pathalogical this guy's Trenchie hatred was, I shot him a PM over at Warseer and asked him about the lots. Who knows. He might hace more he would like to add to the ones he was selling. Well he gave me a terse reply that I was on his "blocked bidder" list and that I was not to bid on his auctions. He also referenced a defunct Ebay account that I had closed four years ago. (I closed my old Ebay account and changed to an unrelated name when I was having trouble with Portent because I had someone who was trying to "bid block" my auctions)

Well, this irritated me.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a conservative. I'm very respectful of authority, but I hate it when someone with NO authority ver me tries to tell me what to do and I usually go out of my way to thumb my nose at those who try to do so. So I decided to bid on this guy's auctions. Under the letter of the rules I figured I was covered as my current Ebay accounts were NOT on his blacked bidder list and that he had never used the Ebay messaging system to inform me that I was an unwelcome bidder. Plausable deniability is a good thing don't you know?

Come Sunday morning I bid on his auctions and win one of them imediately. Presumably he recognized my email address (which contains the words "trenchraider") and canceled the bid on the other one before it closed, citing the (incorrect) excuse that I was on his blocked list. I'm not going to bore you all with the details, but an angry email exhange ensued in which t-tauri showed himself to not only be a childish fool, but a complete net.coward who would not explain his reasoning for his bizzarre behavior. Moreover, he refused to honor his responsibility as a seller. He stated flat out that he would not be shipping the figures. I tried twice to forward payment via Paypal, and twice he "refunded" the money.

Well, the 11th will be the day on which the time limit after which one can file a "non-shipping seller" complaint will have pased. I will certainly be filing with the claims department on the issue. I may not win, but it's worth a try. I will certainly be leaving some well deserved negative feedback.

The thing that really amazes me is that I have done nothing to really warrent this bizzare behavior on his part. I went back and checked all three of my Ebay accounts (my old canceled one, as well as my current buying and selling accounts) and I have never had a single transaction with this cat, good bad or indifferent. Not a one. Therefore the only reason I could see that he would have blocked my bidding (which he did not do until after I won an auction in any event) would be an old grudge for my problems on Portent. I suppose my money is not good enough for him. Principles are an admirable thing...but sometimes it just turns into childishness as t-tauri has proven.

Ah well.
The thing is that he has not done anything of substance. I'll probably wind up with the figures I won anyway. Even if Ebay does not find in my favor he will probably eventually put them back up for auction. (he's the latest entry on my "favorite sellers" list) I'll just have a friend bid on them next time. It would would probably be a hoot to then take a photo of me holding them and forward it to t-tauri!

TR

Sounds like a case of you both being rather stubborn and butting heads against each other’s principles.

If you really want the stuff, have your buddy buy them and give them to you. Problem solved no fuss no muss. Sending him a picture of you with them just adds more fuel to the fire and keeps this whole thing rolling.

Regardless of if you deserved the initial negative treatment or not, you have a chance to end it here. You can take it or you can try to get the last word, but having the last word generally encourages the other person to keep talking.

Me stubborn?
Hehe.
Say it aint so! ;-)

TR

so you where an asshat in the pass and now its catching up with you. maybe you should just move on.

Deathmachine wrote:so you where an asshat in the pass and now its catching up with you. maybe you should just move on.

Guilty. (although more than just I share complicity in what occured a few years ago)
And I have certainly tried to leave it all behind. It's just some clowns that won't let that occur.

Like I said, had I shared a bad business transaction with this guy in the past, or if he had a legitimate concern that I was tyring to bid block him, or rip him off (I have no reputation for that sort of behavior) I might understand his behavior. But as it stands now, he's just being a fool.
I mean really. I can't stand Mad Doc, but I'd probably do business with him and take his money if the situation arose.

TR

Its free enterprise. He is not required to do business with you, nor you, him. Now if there are some nice minis involved, have a 3rd party acquire. Move on Trenchie.

Yeah I don't get it. I mean, it sucks that this guy is holding a grudge, especially if it's over something he's not involved in, but he doesn't want to sell to you, tried to block you and then didn't want to sell to your different account. He *is* the authority figure on whether he wants to sell to you, through ebay or not.

Which is a point.

I sent you a PM couple of weeks back about some 'McDeath' Highlanders in case you or your cadre were looking for some.

Interested?

Eh?
Resend the PM, Doc. I may not have gotten it or deleted it without reading it.

TR

K. Not being rude, but I thought you might have.

This thread has the potential for epic., but only if the other party joins the fold

/popcorn
**braces for epic**

why did you waste time and energy on this, when you could have found someone else selling similar items on ebay with no hassle?

Blink. Warseer used to be portent? Now it all makes sense to me.

Sheesh, drop out of the online community for 6 years and all kinds of stuff happens.

- Cuscus (happy Dakkite)

Trench-Raider wrote:I'm not the most popular person over at Warseer.

One of these clowns is a Warseer staffer who posts under the name "t-tauri".

To make a long story short, I noticed that t-tauri was selling a couple of figure lots on Ebay that I would not mind owning.

he gave me a terse reply that I was on his "blocked bidder" list and that I was not to bid on his auctions. )

I decided to bid on this guy's auctions.

Under the letter of the rules I figured I was covered as my current Ebay accounts were NOT on his blacked bidder list and that he had never used the Ebay messaging system to inform me that I was an unwelcome bidder.

Come Sunday morning I bid on his auctions and win one of them imediately. Presumably he recognized my email address (which contains the words "trenchraider") and canceled the bid on the other one before it closed, citing the (incorrect) excuse that I was on his blocked list.

Well, the 11th will be the day on which the time limit after which one can file a "non-shipping seller" complaint will have pased. I will certainly be filing with the claims department on the issue. I may not win, but it's worth a try. I will certainly be leaving some well deserved negative feedback.

OK, so that's a huge page o' drama (two screens) between you and T-Tauri on Warseer about something that happened on eBay.

He isn't on Dakka, you aren't a Dakka regular, you aren't buying off Dakka, so why are we supposed to care?

I don't get it.

Maybe you should take it to 4chan?

Or WarSeer?

Yeah, that's personal attacks.

A Dakka no-no. He happens to be a member (although I haven't seen him in a while), but the Dakka rules still apply. No personal attacks. This includes calling him a "clown" and "childish fool".

So, 4chan it is.

Send in the lolis.

I think this should be locked. Too much drama with no face to face connection, which makes everything suspect to me.

Does anyone else find it ironic that Trench Raider feels entitled to buy t-tauri's stuff?

JohnHwangDD I respect you and have since the days of USENET and we share many views and opinions, so it pains me to see you say some of that.

OK, so that's a huge page o' drama

I would hardly call eight short paragraphs "huge", would you?
Hyperbole does not advance your point.

you aren't a Dakka regular

I'm rapidly becoming one.

so why are we supposed to care

I really do hate that line of reasoning. If you don't care then why did you bother to comment?

Maybe you should take it to 4chan

Oh please...
I'm a bit old to be a channer kiddie.
4chan is a cancer on the 'net in any event.

Or WarSeer?

Given that he's a 'mod on that site, I would no doubt be retaliated against if I did so. In any event, an adminof that site specificly forbid me from doing so. But his misconduct should be raised in public.

TR

Valhallan42nd wrote:So, 4chan it is.

Send in the lolis.

Pedobear approves

[Mod edit: Let's make the image smaller or the post just becomes spam.]

Sorry about the xbawks hueg image, I'm at work and can't resize

Trench-Raider wrote:

Given that he's a 'mod on that site, I would no doubt be retaliated against if I did so. In any event, an adminof that site specificly forbid me from doing so. But his misconduct should be raised in public.

TR

So instead, you've come here to complain to people who don't know who you are and, because of that, couldn't care less about your problems?


Riiiiiiiiiight.

Trenchie Hater wrote:Does anyone else find it ironic that Trench Raider feels entitled to buy t-tauri's stuff?

Given that he placed the item on Ebay up for grabs to anyone who cared to bid, not at all.

Don't you find his behavior odd?

TR

So, was Portent even worse than Warseer? I find that hard to imagine. I say send him the pic with the miniatures. Phoenix does not understand that some people need closure.

No, he doesn't have to have any reason not to sell it to you. It's entirely his discretion. And I can understand why he might err on the side of caution and go out of his way to avoid selling you anything you might want.

I not only don't find his behaviour odd, I find it understandable and would do the same in his place.

Nurglitch wrote:No, he doesn't have to have any reason not to sell it to you. It's entirely his discretion. And I can understand why he might err on the side of caution and go out of his way to avoid selling you anything you might want.

I not only don't find his behaviour odd, I find it understandable and would do the same in his place.

As a fellow "Trenchie hater" your opinion does not surpise me.
But it's based on paranoia rather than real concerns. I'm known for alot of things (some perfectly true) but I am not known for monkeying with people's Ebay accounts or ripping them off and my feedback bears this out. Like I just told Doc in a PM, I can be pretty damned harsh in my net.persona, I pride myself in being proffesional in my real world dealings.

But I'm not going to convince you, am I?

TR

Give it up, TR, Nurglitch hates everything and everyone.

Look, the guy's not paranoid that you're going to cheat him somehow. He just hates you and wants to avoid benefiting you. What's so hard to wrap your head around?

Nurglitch wrote:Look, the guy's not paranoid that you're going to cheat him somehow. He just hates you and wants to avoid benefiting you. What's so hard to wrap your head around?

Thank you for proving my last point.

In before lock!

@To TR:

As you already stated we arnt all new to the internet , i hate to say this but internet
anonymity shows the worst part of us. As you can simply see, if no one knows you ,
they simply do-not-care. Thats how it is, human beings are biased , selfish creatures.
That said , you even admitted your past is catching up to you c'est la vie karma.

There is nothing to little we as a community can do for you, other have already agreed
he dont have to sell it to you if he doesnt want to.

What we can do is hope you learn from the past and let it go, dont hold grudges and
maybe everyone can forget it over some time and start new with you.

I have to admit, this whole thing seems about as trivial of an issue as I can think up.

I'm not entirely sure what the point of this thread is.