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unbeliever87 wrote:My Space Marine army would lose to this, simply because I cannot take even close to 8000 points using the normal FOC.

In response to this thread here where I foolishly assumed that the Space Marine codex couldn't take 8000 points using the standard FOC - how wrong I was! The list you see below is the absolute maximum that a SM commander can take, including superfluous upgrades (such as double Powerfists for Sergeants), full Honour Guard, and the most expensive dedicated transport options available.

This was a lot of fun to write. Let me know if you see any other way to pad this out further!

HQ - 3710
1 x Marneus Calgar - 250
1 x Chapter Master - Storm Shield, Relic Blade, Digital Weapons, Artificier Armour, Meltabombs, Hellfire Rounds, Aux. Grenade Launcher, Space Marine Bike - 260
4 x Honour Guard - 7 additional members, Thunderhammer, 10 Aux. Grenade Launchers, 10 Relic Blades - 685
4 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115
1 x Chapter Banner - 25

Troops - 2250
6 x Tactical Squads - Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Powerfists, Meltabombs, Teleport Homer - 260
6 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Elites - 1880
3 x Terminator Squads - 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers, 9 Chainfists - 505
1 x Land Raider - Brother Chronus, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 365

Fast Attack - 2925
3 x Vanguard Veterans - Relic Blade, 19 Thunderhammers, 10 Meltabombs - 830
3 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Heavy Support - 1440
3 x Devastator Squads - 2 Powerfists, 4 Lascannons, 1 Meltabombs - 365
3 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Total: 12230

Edit 1: Sternguard replaced with Assault Terminators.
Edit 2: Chapter Master replaced with Marneus Calgar, 2 additional Honour Guard squads, Brother Chronus

Couldn't a 10 man Terminator squad with a dedicated LR take the spot of a Sternguard squad?

Well spotted! The Sternguard have been taken out, and regular squads of Terminators with a single Land Raider as transports have been added in.

I guess you really are no longer the 'unbeliever'...

Sorry, bad pun.

did you include jumppacks for the vanguard?

Don't forget to add Brother Chronus

You're better off going Calgar with his 3 honorguard squads if you really want to max out everything, followed by another chapter master to add more Honor guard.

Unlimited Pts - Space Marines Roster - 10840

HQ: Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge (1#, 265 pts)
. . 1 Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge @ 265 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Iron Halo; Armor of Antilochus; Gauntlets of Ultramar; Power Sword; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Eternal Warrior; Furious Charge; God of War; Hit & Run; Independent Character; Master of the Hunt; Orbital Bombardment; Titanic Might)
. . . . 1 Armor of Antilochus (Teleport Homer)
. . . . 1 Gauntlets of Ultramar

HQ: Space Marine Chapter Master (1#, 265 pts)
. . 1 Space Marine Chapter Master @ 265 pts (...in Power Armour)
. . . . 1 ...in Power Armour (Unit Type: Bikes; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Digital Weapons; Melta Bombs; Artificer Armour; Space Marine Bike; Thunder Hammer x2; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Independent Character; Orbital Bombardment)

: Honour Guard (11#, 825 pts)
. . 1 Honour Guard @ 825 pts (Chapter Banner; Honour Guard; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Chapter Champion (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Digital Lasers; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Honour or Death)
. . . . 9 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

: Honour Guard (11#, 800 pts)
. . 1 Honour Guard @ 800 pts (Honour Guard; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Chapter Champion (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Digital Lasers; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Honour or Death)
. . . . 9 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (11#, 695 pts)
. . 9 Terminator Assault Squad @ 695 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x9; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Land Raider)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Land Raider (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Multi-Melta; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; 2x Twin Linked Lascannons; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit)

Elite: Terminator Squad (11#, 800 pts)
. . 9 Terminator Squad @ 800 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Storm Bolter x9; Chain Fist x9; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Cyclone Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Land Raider)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Power Sword; Storm Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Land Raider (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 12 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Multi-Melta; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; 2x Twin Linked Lascannons; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit)

Elite: Terminator Squad (10#, 505 pts)
. . 9 Terminator Squad @ 505 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Storm Bolter x9; Chain Fist x9; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Cyclone Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Power Sword; Storm Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
. . 9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (11#, 975 pts)
. . 1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 975 pts (Veteran; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 9 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (11#, 975 pts)
. . 1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 975 pts (Veteran; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 9 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (11#, 975 pts)
. . 1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 975 pts (Veteran; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 9 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (11#, 480 pts)
. . 9 Devastator Squad @ 480 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (11#, 480 pts)
. . 9 Devastator Squad @ 480 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (12#, 550 pts)
. . 9 Devastator Squad @ 550 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
. . . . 1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
. . . . 1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon; Brother-Sergeant Chronus)
. . . . . . 1 Brother-Sergeant Chronus (Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Servo Arm; Bolt Pistol)
. . . . . . . . 1 Servo Arm

Validation Report:
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Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Total Roster Cost: 10840

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Good point about Calgar. He's been added in, along with an additional two squads of Honour Guard and Chronus. We're now up to 12385!

Jump Packs were not given to Vanguard Veterans as a Razorback is worth more, and having one precludes the other.

Ahh didn't have the codex and thought Army builder a bugged when it allowed more than two honor guard. Now that I believe is the max without using Allies.

Just for my own amusement I wanted to see how Blood Angels could do buying gear. I know that's not the point of thise thread, but still.

HQ - 1260
Mephiston
The Sanguinor

Honour Gaurd
- Dual Wielding Thunderhammers
- Chapter Banner
- Melta Bombs

Honour Gaurd
- Dual Wielding Thunderhammers
- Company Standard
- Melta Bombs

2x Land Raider
- Multimelta
- Extra Armour
- Search Light
- Hunter Killer
- Storm Bolter

Elites - 2428

3x Terminators
- 5 Additional
- 2 Cylones
- Chainfists

3x Land Raider
- Multimelta
- Extra Armour
- Search Light
- Hunter Killer
- Storm Bolter

Troops - 5488

Death Company
- 27 Additional Guys
- Dual Wielding Thunder Hammers
- Jump Packs
- Lemartes

5x Tactical Squad
- 5 Additional guys
- Plasma Gun
- Lascannon
- Dual Powerfists
- Melta Bombs
- Teleport Homers

5x Land Raider
- Multimelta
- Extra Armour
- Search Light
- Hunter Killer
- Storm Bolter

Fast Attack - 3438

3x Vanguard Veterans
- 5 Additional Guys
- Dual Wielding Thunder Hammers
- Melta Bombs

3x Land Raider
- Multimelta
- Extra Armour
- Search Light
- Hunter Killer
- Storm Bolter

Heavy Support - 1510

3x Devastator Squad
- 5 Additional Guys
- 4 Lascannons
- Power Fist
- Melta Bombs

3x Land Raider
- Multimelta
- Extra Armour
- Search Light
- Hunter Killer
- Storm Bolter

For a total of 14606

Thats a lot of points. Also a lot of Land Raiders, 16 in total.

Aramoro