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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle






Near Boston

Im breaking up my Main Pblog here into smaller Sub logs as it will allow me to file things a bit better, so I can see what is getting comment and what not.

Originally Posted (Mar 18 2010)

Well here's the deal I need to make a third segment. I want the whole board to look good but am tired of adding the wooden slatting to the trench walls. heh.

I've narrowed things down to three possible options
1 Another trench network... Its working so far.
2 A Shell blasted nomans land. circa 1916 winning option
or 3 the Lame O way out leave it flat

Here's the what Ive got to work with



Here's what I've got done so far.

the first segment I made (was also kinda a tech demo, test piece)


Both trench segments.


and sundry detail pictures
segment 1








Segment 2




Originally Posted (Mar 18 2010)

More Pictures (for scale)
Minis from my Nurgle 40 army.

PM in trench DP next to trench

The Flame template is laying on the trench walls above the PM

Closeups



Termie Icon bearer with termie behind him in trench


Originally Posted (Mar 20 2010)

new picture goodness.

Round 1
Spackle added to show some dirt mounding from trench construction.


Beginning adding some sandbag accents. (Sculpey is going to work great for making the bags)








Originally Posted (Mar 21 2010)

Pictures of the crater nomans land



For scale






Originally Posted (Mar 21 2010)

WIP pics Segment 2

Termie is my friends.




Originally Posted (Mar 22 2010)

Segment 2 is done (pending sand and final details)

Overviews




Closeup on sandbags


and an Overview of segment 3 (also done pending sand, and final details)


Originally Posted (Mar 22 2010)

Bringing Segment 1 up to spec so I can just finish em all in one go.

Pre sandbagging (Spackle for mounded dirt done)


First bit of sandbags.


Originally Posted (Mar 23 2010)

Anyhoo on to the New PIC Goodness....

New Pics

Overview of Segment 1 with sandbags


Pictures with a buddies death company marine for scale.




Areas left to sandbag




Originally Posted (Mar 24 2010)

More pics....

Segment 1 overview with sandbags


Scale pic of one of the sandbag walls (Death company model belongs to my friend)


Death company in the Grand crater(scale pic)


Segment 1 Stoned overview centre and left end


Grand crater Stone detail


Overview of segment 2 with sandbags


The Ladders I'll be using to mark egress points from the trench


Originally Posted (Mar 24 2010)

Well I've stoned the whole board, waiting on glue to dry so I can move on to sanding.

in the interm Moar PICS

Whole board top overview (stoned)


Whole board bottom overview (stoned)


Segment 2 +3, and one Oveview (shows more detail of segment 2)


Segment 3 overview (stoned)


Originally Posted (Mar 24 2010)

Moving on Sanding complete... beginning next phase Painting , and final decoration.

Pics
Whole table overview


Segment 1 overview


Segment 2 Overview


Segemnt 3 Overview


Originally Posted (Apr 01 2010)

I've done some decorating and applied a 2nd coat of watered down PVA to seal the sand in on the third segment. Also been listening to the Sabaton album "Art of War" to get in the trenchie mood.

And now......
Pics

Segment 3 Overview


Some detail shots
Segment three details




Some crater details


aaaaand a little closer...


Another angle of the same crater


another crater (kinda hard to see in the pic as the sand is all the same color....


Originally Posted (Apr 03 2010)

Painting has Begun

Phase 1 (everything) (complete)
(rough equivalent to scorched brown) Ace hardware latex interior paint Tarnished copper
pic of tag info


Phase 2 Drybrushing Layer 1 (complete)

Dirt (rough equivalent to Graveyard earth) Ace hardware latex interior paint Dark earth (done)
Pic of tag info


Lumber (rough equivalent of Beastial Brown) Ace hardware latex interior paint Clove brown
Pic of tag info


Phase 3 Drybrushing Layer 2 (Dirt)
(rough equivalent of Bleached bone) Ace hardware latex interior paint Peanut shell
Pic of tag info



Phase 1 Pictures

Board Overview


Segment 1 Overview


Segment 2 Overview (has two of 6 inf bridges positioned not glued and a Barbwire prototype.)


Segment 3 Overview


Inf Bridge detail


Prototype Barbwire detail


Originally Posted (Apr 04 2010)

Pics of where I left off yesterday.
Overview


Segment 1


Segment 2


Segment 3


And for what I got done today so far.

Dirt done Overview1



Dirt done Overview2


Segment 1


Segment 1 Grand crater detail


Segment 2


Segment 3


4 of six infantry trench cross overs positioned on Segment 2


Originally Posted (Apr 04 2010)

Phase three is now complete.
Phase four (detailing) will begin tomorrow.

Phase three Pictures.

Board overview


Segment 1


Segment 1 detail


Segment 2


Segment 2 detail


Segment 3


Segment 3 detail (snowman crater)


Originally Posted (Apr 06 2010)

Started detailing the Crater segment of my board.

Overview


Detail 1


Detail 2


Detail 3


Detail 4


The Coffee looking stuff is Slightly watered down Elmer'sGlue tinted with brown ink.

There are two Space Marine Helments on the Board that I haven't painted. What chapter should I paint em up as?

Originally Posted (Apr 10 2010)

I'll be painting the Helmets up as Smurf helmets as that will look better than Iron warriors. I'll start painting them up tomorrow (sun)

Originally Posted (Apr 11 2010)

Helmets are done

Helmet 1



Helmet 2


Helmet overview


Segment 3 Overview (current)


Segment 3 Center Detail


Originally Posted (Apr 14 2010)

I've had to pull a number of the siding planks from Segment 1 to get at white spackle that was showing though between boards. I'll have pics of the damage tomorrow. I'll be repainting the spackle to be "dirt" colored and not "white" and then replace the boards, duckboards, etc.

De planked pictures


an example of the white spackle bits that I had to do this to fix is visible at the top of the picture above the grand crater its apx 1.5 planks wide
so no matter how I put in a plank a bit of spackle would show.




The piles of sticks are the planks that I removed.


Originally Posted (Apr 16 2010)

I've Repainted the white spackle areas and had to reinforce the outer foam where it had cracked.

Dirted spackle
Overview

center detailish


Reinforcements




Originally Posted (Apr 20 2010)

I've started to Replank. I'll have Pics up sometime tomorrow.
Lord almighty scotch tape makes doing it SO MUCH EASIER. BAAAAAAAH!!!!

Originally Posted (Apr 20 2010)

Round 1 Replank pictures
pic one


pic two


pic three


Originally Posted (Apr 21 2010)

Round two Replank pics Also going to add some "corrugated" reinforcements here and there.

Pic 1


Pic 2


Pic 3


Pic 4


Originally Posted (Apr 22 2010)

Round three Replanking... Done

Whats Left








What got done.






Originally Posted (Apr 29 2010)

It's back from the Dead..ish

Replank and respackle/duckboard is done repaint will start tomorrow.

Now on to Pics.

The overview (spackle has been textured a bit to look like trampled mud bit the glare from the sun kinda washes it out in the pictures.)
















Originally Posted (May 02 2010)

where I'm at in the repaint.

Pics

Overview








Originally Posted (May 02 2010)

The repainting is done on segment 1. Onwards to final detailing and suchlike.

Pic goodness.

Overview












Originally Posted (May 03 2010)

Begun adding detail (in the form of Posters)

Pics

Segment 1 Overview.


Segment 1 long view


Where is this from.... (heh)


Segment 2 Pics










Originally Posted (May 04 2010)

New Pics. Now on to details then weathering.

New Poster Details

Newspaper 2 (I made this one myself in Paintshop Pro 6)


Gas attack warning posters (real life converted to use here by me)


Segment 1
Overview


Right


Center


Left


Segment 2
Overview


Right


Center


Left


Left detail


Originally Posted (May 09 2010)

Finally decent Pictures. Woot.
anyhoo Detailing on segment 1 is at 90%

Overview


Grunts level overview


Right


Center


Crater view


Left


Detail bitz






Originally Posted (May 12 2010)

Piccy Goodness anything shiny is just wet not gloss.

Final Detailing pictures of Segment 1 (sans ladders)

Segment 1 Overview


Segment 1 Right


Segment 1 Center


Segment 1 Left


Segment 1 Details

Chaos Bolter


Crater Body


Rebuilt corner(foam got ripped off so replaced with glue and sand casting.)


Segment 2 finished Detailing pics

Segment 2 Overview


Segment 2 Right


Segment 2 Center


Segment 2 Left


Segment 2 Details

Bolter+Skull


Originally Posted (May 13 2010)

Anyhoo finished pics (will take better ones tonight at my Club)

Segment 2 Finished pics (with ladders even)

Segment 2 Overview


Segment 2 Left


Segment 2 Center


Segment 2 Right


Mk2 Ladder Detail pictures




Originally Posted (May 19 2010)

Ask and ye shall usually receive. Eventually anyway.

Pics from the 2010 Boston Brawl GT
Trench table
Round 1 pics SW vs SM












Round 2 IG vs SM


Originally Posted (Nov 6 2010)

Just added water Fx resin to most of the craters on the crater board. The brand I used is supposed to set in 12-24hrs depending on temp/humidity (Ideal temp 70deg far.) I'll check it Tuesday to see how far it has come. and take pics.

I used the product "magic water"
MFG linky
http://www.unrealdetails.com/

Originally Posted (Mar 19 2011)

Pic of the Board in use at PAX east 2011




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Knightley wrote:Awesome looking board.

Looks like it slightly warping towards the bottom of your post, is it strengthened in anyway?

Regarding the helmets, ultramarines and blood angel helmets would be my votes.



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superdude29 wrote:really awesome stuff but yeah it does look a little warped at the bottom lol



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They are actually pretty level the appearance of warping was mostly the angle of the photo.


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More Dakka wrote:This is 100% win!

Keep up the good work!

I am subscribed.



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InquisitorMack wrote:After seeing your boards for a couple of years, I was amazed to meet you & learn how much of your terrain you sculpted & molded yourself. This stuff is awesome.


Photos from 2010 Boston Brawl:



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Those are awesome, i would love to play on boards like that! Do you have links for your other sub blogs?

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Wow, thats an awesome board. Just totally amazing.!!

 
   
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Thanks

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Looks very very cool. Needs more detail though like you would see on a battlefield like barbed/razor wire, tank traps, vehicle remains etc. Would be epic if you did that and that would finish it off very nicely.

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Galorn wrote:Yep Link to my index page is in my sig


Aha, yea i just woke up...

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Near Boston

FearPeteySodes wrote:
Galorn wrote:Yep Link to my index page is in my sig


Aha, yea i just woke up...


I've never had that happen. Nope . Never. Nuh uh.

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man... you chucking out this mother of a pearl now...? why has that gem escaped me for so long??? does it still exist? sorry for the necro but that damn fine looking piece of terrainn needs that extra airtime i think...!

sorry for the swearing... but that got me rather exited! and i collceted lots of useful ideas for a one day project of my own!

thanks galorn for sharing!

   
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That is outstanding work, wish I could manage something that cool!

 
   
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Great looking board. Did you make boxes to put up against the walls of the trenches for models to stand on? Great job. Can't wait to see another board.

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excellent table , looks really fun , and thanks for all the pics , you really get a sense of the scale and the effort required to build it.
   
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Near Boston

Viktor von Domm wrote:man... you chucking out this mother of a pearl now...? why has that gem escaped me for so long??? does it still exist? sorry for the necro but that damn fine looking piece of terrainn needs that extra airtime i think...!

sorry for the swearing... but that got me rather exited! and i collceted lots of useful ideas for a one day project of my own!

thanks galorn for sharing!


NO problem.

lampy wrote:That is outstanding work, wish I could manage something that cool!

You can. It just takes a little planning.

PapaPiggy wrote:Great looking board. Did you make boxes to put up against the walls of the trenches for models to stand on? Great job. Can't wait to see another board.


My next board is probably a salvage job on a half build board that was started by a friend.


neil101 wrote:excellent table , looks really fun , and thanks for all the pics , you really get a sense of the scale and the effort required to build it.


Yep. most of the craters have had water FX added to them. since those pics were taken.

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Galorn thanks for the link here that is amazing work the gritty feel to the trenches and use of house hold products is great

I Think the trenches look better as they seem to have more hight than normal, overall fantastic job I would even want to play a game on these boards …. and I don't even play

I have to ay those posters are super great job on them , the newspaper is fantastic great little creation makes all the difference
   
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Somewhere In Time And Space

Nice board dude, I have one slight nitpick... the trenches don't conform to any trench redoubt patter I've seen before... Apologies, I just like things making sense.

The board is awesome, I especially love the posters and weathering you've done also!!!


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Well you'd better haul it to the landfill now I guess, Childe hasn't seen it before, so it doesn't exist.

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It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
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dsteingass wrote:Well you'd better haul it to the landfill now I guess, Childe hasn't seen it before, so it doesn't exist.


Heh...

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dsteingass wrote:Well you'd better haul it to the landfill now I guess, Childe hasn't seen it before, so it doesn't exist.


Absoloutely no call for that dude.


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AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:
dsteingass wrote:Well you'd better haul it to the landfill now I guess, Childe hasn't seen it before, so it doesn't exist.


Absoloutely no call for that dude.



as far as that goes if he pays postage I'd send it to him...

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Oh trust me, plenty of call for that, but it won't be an issue from now on, the first ever person on my ignore list.

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It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
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"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
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dsteingass wrote:Oh trust me, plenty of call for that, but it won't be an issue from now on, the first ever person on my ignore list.

Seems a bit much for a single comment...
Anyway it looks great OP. I have always wanted to play on a trenches board.

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I'd agree if it were only one comment, and not months of buildup.

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It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
 
   
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Great trench board!
I think that I have found some more insperation for my DKoK board to come...

Thanks for sharing!

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lone dirty dog wrote:Yes, build it and they will come ……. Who I don't know and you probably wouldn't want them any way.

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purplefood wrote:Anyway it looks great OP. I have always wanted to play on a trenches board.


Thanks. IT really did change things up ALOT in 5th ed. 6th ed would only make it even better.

SilverHayabusa wrote:Great trench board!
I think that I have found some more insperation for my DKoK board to come...

Thanks for sharing!

Thanks.
You are welcome.


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Agreed with the above. It's gorgeous and HUGE. Envious of your workspace and the progress pics!

-Remi

 
   
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HF Izanagi wrote:Agreed with the above. It's gorgeous and HUGE. Envious of your workspace and the progress pics!

-Remi


Workspace was a corner of the garage, and occasionally the living room (thanks ma) Driveways are great for laying out a single table top. (2 sawhorses and a couple of 2x4s for the supports) made it easy to get a coherant basic paint scheme across the board.

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Well we all have to start somewhere!
I have control of the dinningroom althought thats probably smaller then your garage corner..
But we make due and we prosper!
I would personaly love to build a full table! Or two or three or four... (You get the point...)
But with a one bedroom apartment it ain't happening anytime soon...

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lone dirty dog wrote:Yes, build it and they will come ……. Who I don't know and you probably wouldn't want them any way.

Ahh Rivets! -Is there nothing they can't solve? - dsteingass -- It will last longer with rivets..... - you, guys are worse than my children...... - mxwllmdr

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That board is so amazing!

 
   
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SilverHayabusa wrote:Well we all have to start somewhere!
I have control of the dinningroom althought thats probably smaller then your garage corner..
But we make due and we prosper!
I would personaly love to build a full table! Or two or three or four... (You get the point...)
But with a one bedroom apartment it ain't happening anytime soon...


That's where carfully planned subassemblies come in handy. (also a supportive FLGS)

TH3FALL3N wrote:That board is so amazing!


Thank you.

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Yea. My flags is 80% model trains..
and 30% crotchity old men...

FOR THE ALLFATHER!!!! (Oh, the Emperor guy too...)
lone dirty dog wrote:Yes, build it and they will come ……. Who I don't know and you probably wouldn't want them any way.

Ahh Rivets! -Is there nothing they can't solve? - dsteingass -- It will last longer with rivets..... - you, guys are worse than my children...... - mxwllmdr

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