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Here's what I'm thinking for the veterans (can't be an HQ character, Vehicle, or Monstrous Creature... must be unit of more than 1 model). If you don't use them, they are wiped out IF you start a new veteran unit. You can set them aside and they are simply treated as having been killed (losing most recent upgrade).

Game 1:

+1 to WS, BS, I, S, T, A... pick one

Game 2 that they survive:

Artifact for either one character or if the squad doesn't have a character, one model... I'll make a list for these below, but you guys can make recommendations

Game 3 that they survive:

Unit gains a special rule it didn't have before... List below

Game 4: start the process over, but no doubling up (IE: can't increase strength twice), and they must kill 2 units (or 1 veteran unit) to gain each step through the list (but still need to survive to qualify).


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ARTIFACTS: Are not random (you pick), the first group is Ranged, second is Combat, third it utility. You cannot have more than one from each group. Vehicles and Monstrous creatures cannot take from these tables. If you get one of each in a veteran squad, you can then start taking from alien lists (but only from whomever you beat last... this would quite the while, BTW).

Imperial Artifacts:

Conversion Beamer
BS 5 for Snap Shots
Plasma Fusil

Paragon blade
Digital Lasers (+1 Attack)
Age of Darkness Dueling blade (auto pass one CC save a phase)

Artificer Armour
Cameleoine Coating
Nartheciums


Eldar/Tau Artifacts:

D-scythe
Reaper Rangefinder
Early Warning Override

Diresword
Banshee Mask
Puretide Engram Neurochip

Stimulant Injector
Target Lock
Blacksun Filter


Necron/Chaos Artifacts:

Heavy Gauss Cannon
Haywire
Flak equipped ML

Murder Sword
Void Blade
Black Mace

Resurrection Orb
Tremorstave
Mechatendrils


Nid Artifacts:

Heavy Venom Cannon
Spinefists
Stinger Salvo

+1 Wound
Toxin Sacs
Lashwhip

Bonded Exoskeleton
FNP
Acid Blood



SPECIAL RULES FOR VETERAN SQUAD

Round 1 (first time through list pick from these):
FNP, Twin-Linked, Acute Senses, Rending (shots or strikes), Blind (shots and strikes), Stealth, Brotherhood of Psykers, Furious Charge, Infiltrate, Monster Hunter, Tank Hunter, Night Vision, Rampage, Sniper, Stubborn, Hatred (vs codex you fought last), Counter-Attack, Deep Strike

Round 2 (if you still have your round 1 ability, you can add one of these instead, or pick from list 1)
Armourbane (on 2 hits a phase), Fleshbane (on either Shots or Strikes), Shrouded, Force, Rage, Relentless, Shred, Zealot (vs everything), Count Transport as Open Topped

Round 3+ (pick from list Round 1)



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I'll have log sheets for characters and veteran units on Tuesday

NEW MAP: Blood Gulch

Walls are considered to be Impassible Terrain, battlements are 4+ cover, stairs and ladders are the only way to go onto the battlements (other than jump packs or flight).

Landing pads allow 1 unit to automatically come in from reserve (even on turn 1), it will not scatter or mishap. You must have a unit touching or on the pad to use it. Any points spent on fortifications are turned into respawn points... you may have that many points of models go into reserve upon dying (cannot be HQ characters that fill a slot).

Hey, what are the stats for the Genestealer Hybrids? And is it on like a PDF or something?

Yeah, I'll post it here as a pic. Give me a little bit.


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Never mind: found official link here: Official Campaign Rules

But for just the Hybrids, I've attached their PDF below

Stats are

WS:4 BS:3 S:3 T:3 I:3 A: W:1 Ld:8 Sv:5+

1 Magus, with 2 wounds and Init 5, all have rending attacks, and there can be a Stuber and a Flamer in the squad of 10. Magnus can use Dominate and Puppet Master psychic powers.

They're good, but can't score, aren't a killpoint. Most likely will show up as a Troop in the next Nid 'dex


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NEW DEATH KORPS RULES FOR JEFFERY: (Jared, tell him to make an account, like your Avatar BTW )

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/dkksiegelist.pdf

These are the new rules and therefore in play for Tuesday

Are we adding these units or is this something different from what we have been doing?

I think the Hybrids are just for Tyranids, ie Eric
As for the Marines in the Official Campaign Rules...... I dont know
Also, why is the Magus only WS 3? Wouldnt he be WS 4 cause he is a Hybrid too?

Hybrids are a free unit for tyranids if they play an Imperial faction.

I think the idea behind the Magus being -1 WS is that he is developing other talents and has others to fight for him. Typically the Magus is also a public figure : Mayor, Council Member, PDF colonel, etc. so his mutations aren't as severe or obvious. Usually there is also a Patriarch (father to the brood) and once full genestealers are born, a Brood Lord completes the triad rule (Magus hiding in plain sight to protect the Brood, Patriarch as the overall commander of the Brood, and the Brood Lord who will lead the revolt). If successful, a genestealer cult will then breed lesser Magi which often hail a hive fleet to come consume the planet. The cult members who can still blend into Imperial society leave to establish new cults, the genestealers typically stow away on vessels and take them over in the warp, and others are reborn as whatever the Hive Mind needs.

So Eric gets them against pretty much everyone then...... Unless the non Marines/Guard players actually show up, or decide to play their respective armies
Yay Eldar

 ExdeathYourJudge wrote:
So Eric gets them against pretty much everyone then...... Unless the non Marines/Guard players actually show up, or decide to play their respective armies
Yay Eldar

We have 2 Orks, 2 Tau, an Eldar, a Dark Eldar, and 2 Chaos players

Letting people count twice, we only have 1 Legion, 1 Guard, 2 SM, 1 SW, and 1 DA player. That's only 43% of our common lists that he gets them with... And since you rarely run SM, its actually 38%. Nids, Orks, and BT have the last "old" codices... I don't mind giving Nids a very minor boost. At most they're worth 200 points and most likely 150. Plus, its official GW stats and such... The other faction that got free stuff was IG and marines... I don't think either of those need/deserve it.


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@ExdeathYourJudge (forever more: EYJ), how many of the guys do you think/know are coming? I need to start setting aside hamburger meat for Tuesday.

You forgot Jake and his Grey Knights, oh and I wouldn't count my bro as a Dark Eldar player, when I use them more then he does.
Oh, and I know I, my bro, and most likely Matt and Eric are coming, though I can't vouch for the last two.

 ExdeathYourJudge wrote:
You forgot Jake and his Grey Knights, oh and I wouldn't count my bro as a Dark Eldar player, when I use them more then he does.
Oh, and I know I, my bro, and most likely Matt and Eric are coming, though I can't vouch for the last two.

Touche, on the Grey Knights

Page 5, end of the thread (my post)... there's our new map for Tuesday. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/505137.page#5840539

Cover saves, cover save everywhere!
Once I get more Pathfinders, and use Mr. One-Shot a Monolith....... Oh, the pain
Either way, the odds of Eldar EVER leaving one of those, is slim and none

I (Ben) will be coming on Tuesday.

*sigh* This is a message from Jeff cause he is too lazy to make his own account:
Does anyone wanna do an Apocalypse battle?
At about 6000 points, please say ahead of time so we know if we need our entire armies
Can be more than one person per team, exact models please
If needed, my bro can fight alone..... I don't recommend that though

I'm going to kill this one. We can do a team battle, but Apoc just got rewritten yesterday. I can't have all the new rules figured out by then, and since I'm cooking I can't be in the battle to trouble shoot it.

Lets see who shows up, have Jeff be ready for 2.5k and 5k. He can take on two challengers with two Baneblades if it works out. Tell him to make an account. He can call himself MLPCreed or something of the sort


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For the 5k list he can combine Lord of War choices if needed (giving him 6 total structure/shield slots to play with on one model). So warhound

Good games, check out the webpage here: MAIN PAGE

Attached is the veteran unit rules, we'll role new Legendary Character traits for those who need it next week (Loth is at 7 XP, and I know others are ready to roll too).

If anything is unclear on the veteran rules, let me know. My unit is the Honour Guard (surprise, I know) who are at +1 A.

I finally got an account unlike a lot of other people who still don't have one. lol

If I took a Death Korps of Krieg platoon would it change my veteran
I hope this isn't the a sign of things to come for the guard because some of the changes are terrible



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 Lobukia wrote:

 ExdeathYourJudge wrote:
So Eric gets them against pretty much everyone then...... Unless the non Marines/Guard players actually show up, or decide to play their respective armies
Yay Eldar

We have 2 Orks, 2 Tau, an Eldar, a Dark Eldar, and 2 Chaos players

Letting people count twice, we only have 1 Legion, 1 Guard, 2 SM, 1 SW, and 1 DA player. That's only 43% of our common lists that he gets them with... And since you rarely run SM, its actually 38%. Nids, Orks, and BT have the last "old" codices... I don't mind giving Nids a very minor boost. At most they're worth 200 points and most likely 150. Plus, its official GW stats and such... The other faction that got free stuff was IG and marines... I don't think either of those need/deserve it.


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@ExdeathYourJudge (forever more: EYJ), how many of the guys do you think/know are coming? I need to start setting aside hamburger meat for Tuesday.

why don't I get free stuff
and why does the Death Korps rules have lumbering behemoth even if it doesn't do anything
okay now I see it. My Leman Russ is now a heavy vehicle. which is good and bad

Okay guys: here's whats (supposedly) upcoming for 40k

August: Black Legion (why?)

September: Space Marines (focusing on Second Founding Chapters, with First Founding ones getting supplements)
2 new models: Larger Terminator Armour, Kinda like a Lone Wolf with all types of options, and a Knight Titan

October: Orks and White Scar Supplement (looks like I'll be taking all my bikes back )

November: Black Templars, some how ignore or nerf overwatch

December: Kroot Mercenaries Supplement

January: Nid Codex and later Genestealer Cult Supplement

Sometime: Fallen Angles DA supplement

Ok......
Large Terminators, why? We have Dreadnought for that
And a Knight Titan.................. YA STATS OF 10 ACROSS THE BORED! SCREW WRAITH KNIGHTS!
Also, if ALL the First Founding get Supplements, then why don't Guard or Eldar get supplements for all their Regiments and Craftworlds? I mean really.....
Though, with the Iron Hands chapter being First Founding, they may get a Supplement like I said they should, so yay
Also, the Kroot Supplement, only for Tau or any faction? Cause you know I want Kroot and Eldar together, can I hear "Super Sniper Army"? + =

Guard won't get anything until they have a new codex (supplements only for the new guys). Rumor is that there might be an exodite supplement coming in the next year.

hey Mr. Baker you said the thunderhawk came with the ability to switch the main cannon with an Icarus but when i looked it said you could switch it with a turbo-laser destructor. I was wondering if there is another codex that lets you switch to an Icarus and what the point cost would be.

this is Micah btw

It's not in a book it was a campaign option that they used in the last official campaign.

Okay, one of my sources got ahold of the official release for the Space Marines... coming first week of December:

They get two new units:

...no on the big walker, yes on the better terminators:

They're called Centurions.. think half Paladins and half Crisis Suits. They have a Devastator variant, and an assault variant. People seem unclear exactly how each variant works, but its seems the Devastator gets 2 heavy guns and 2 special weapons (so two Lascannons and two Plasma Guns, or other fun stuff). I'm guessing that means that both are twinlinked (so 2 shots, not 4).

Other variant is two Close Combat weapons. Appears to be twin Paragon Blades (so that's Str 5 AP 2), and then twin special weapon (heavy flamers, plasma, melta, etc).

The other new item is a new heavy tank (Hunter). It carries two side by side turrets. They can either have two battle cannons (guessing S8 AP3 blast?) or two Tri-barreled anti air guns (guess 3 shot autocannons). Supposedly the Hunter can split its fire, and will have Leman Russ like armor and cost. Rumor is, if its doesn't move its BS 5.

..... On the Dreadnought wanna-be, I'd say those are Assault Drills like on my Siege Dreadnought, so they will probably have a built-in Heavy Flamer, or a Metlagun.
As for the tank..................... Again, why DON'T Eldar get Anti-Air tanks? Yes we have a OK Flier vs. Flier, but I don't want to actually BUY a Flier, and the Forgeworld AA-tank cant pen anything above Armour 12, and struggles against fliers anyway
Just another reason why Battle Brother Tau for Eldar is way convenient........ And more reason I need money for Models

Also, could you let me know when they update some of the Eldar Forgeworld rules? You always seem to know when they update, and I wanna know what changes in my "IMMA FIRN' MY LAZR!" squad

 ExdeathYourJudge wrote:

Also, could you let me know when they update some of the Eldar Forgeworld rules? You always seem to know when they update, and I wanna know what changes in my "IMMA FIRN' MY LAZR!" squad

Will do. Supposedly a PDF if coming next month, but I betting it will really be a book to buy.

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So the Weapons in the torso are either 3 twinlinked bolters, or 3 twinlinked grav guns. It appears the arms will be twinlinked as well... making it able to fire its twinlinked arms and its twinlinked torso weapons.

Rumor is that it will have 2+ save, 4+ FNP, 2 wounds, but no invuln... no word on toughness yet... obviously 4 vs 5 will be a big deal.


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