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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The grenade launcher thing was to do with the wording that would stop the weapons being an option.

He has one hard-coded weapon. So what? It doesn't stop him from taking one of the options from the list because ANY models can take those. Already having claws doesn't stop him from taking ONE option as he hasn't taken an option from the list yet. Even if his weapon is on the list as an option he did not take it from that list, he got it from a separate option entirely.

He's already not a Wulfen Pack Leader aremed with two frost claws', he's a 'Wulfen Pack Leader armed with two frost claws and a close combat weapon'.
Or as people are saying he can take the launcher and not the weapons from the list (for some reason...), he's be a 'Wulfen Pack Leader armed with two frost claws, a close combat weapon and a stormfrag auto-launcher'.

It does not say models can take weapons from that list.
It says models can be equipped with ONE mweapon from that list. Not one or more.
When you buy the upgrade to pack master he comes with claws, thereby he is equipped with one weapon from that list.
The grenade launcher is not affected in any way at all, because it is not one of those three options.

Guys maybe you should take this to YMDC. Seems kind of obnoxious to be arguing over a rule as of yet unreleased in the N&R thread.

It says 'Any model may be equipped with one of the following options:'

Then 'May upgrade one Wulfen to a Wulfen Pack Leader armed with two frost claws'

He has frost claws, but they weren't taken as one of the options from the list. He doesn't have 'one of the following options' because he hasn't taken any of them. He has two frost claws, but not the option 'two frost claws' from the list.


And Ghaz, why would an 'and' be needed? It's a list.

Its a list he can't access. He has frost claws, not frost claws AND a choice from the list. That's why the 'and' is needed.

 Ghaz wrote:
Its a list he can't access. He has frost claws, not frost claws AND a choice from the list. That's why the 'and' is needed.

Correct, and if he did have Frost Claws and something from the list he would in fact have two things from the list thus breaking the rule that says they may be equipped with one.

Are Frost Claws on that list Matt?
If yes, then they are already equipped with one thing from that list.

There is a frost claw option on the list, yes.

However is is not armed with an option from the list just because he has frost claws.

Any model can access the list, so he can access it.

Unless you're saying a Chaos Space Marine Terminator Champion (or indeed, any CSM character in Terminator armour excluding a Sorcerer) can't be armed with 2 power weapons? The oldest codex has the exact same situation as this and no one has ever said they can't. They all have a power weapon by default and yet they have the following option:

'...can replace his combi-bolter with one of the following:
- Power weapon'

As they are already armed with a power sword you would argue that they can't take this option? Or that if they replace their power weapon with a lightning claw they can't replace their combi-bolter with a lightning claw (which is also an option)?

Would you say that all SM characters with 2 lightning claws are illegally armed? The list they purchase the lightning claws off says they may replace their 'bolt pistol and/or melee weapon with one of the following:
- Lightning claw...'.

Man, I will be kind of sad if SW don't get new psychic powers. Space wolves tempestas is so bad. :"(

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
There is a frost claw option on the list, yes.

However is is not armed with an option from the list just because he has frost claws.

Any model can access the list, so he can access it.

Unless you're saying a Chaos Space Marine Terminator Champion (or indeed, any CSM character in Terminator armour excluding a Sorcerer) can't be armed with 2 power weapons? The oldest codex has the exact same situation as this and no one has ever said they can't. They all have a power weapon by default and yet they have the following option:

'...can replace his combi-bolter with one of the following:
- Power weapon'

As they are already armed with a power sword you would argue that they can't take this option? Or that if they replace their power weapon with a lightning claw they can't replace their combi-bolter with a lightning claw (which is also an option)?

Would you say that all SM characters with 2 lightning claws are illegally armed? The list they purchase the lightning claws off says they may replace their 'bolt pistol and/or melee weapon with one of the following:
- Lightning claw...'.

Before I have to pull up my Chaos Codex from my OneDrive while I am at work, why do you not take a look and see if it says "May be equipped with one of the following" or if it says "May take any of the following, or may replace any of their equipment with.." or something else...
Because not going to lie, getting kind of silly now.

This tangent is probably better suited to the YMDC suborum. Thanks.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't know how they pulled it off, but they look even worse in battle. It makes it look like they really are part of some dance troupe.

Those poses might actually be passable on some Wood Elf Wardancers.

Danzig in the warp? need to find a third party supplier for some instruments so we can turn them into space kiss!

Any word on whether Space Wolves get any new formations in the campaign book?
Fingers crossed for a securing/gladius-style super formation...

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't know how they pulled it off, but they look even worse in battle. It makes it look like they really are part of some dance troupe.

Those poses might actually be passable on some Wood Elf Wardancers.

Danzig in the warp? need to find a third party supplier for some instruments so we can turn them into space kiss!

Well, it is a long way back from the Eye of Terror (and you don't want to go with them).

I'm just waiting for a size-comparison with FW Skin Wolves. If the size matches up, I'll just take the legs of one of these guys and then 40k up the torso of one of those bad boys.

That would look fantastic, IMO.

A few more pics from next Saturday's White Dwarf, including the painting teaser for the Feb 13 issue -

Pics by Captain Citadel on the SpikeyBits forum

Krom Dragongaze rerelease incoming.

Iron and fur? Might that mean a generic Iron Priest with Cyberwolves? Would be nice.

Iron and fur... new Iron Priest maybe? Maybe even mounted?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Krom Dragongaze rerelease incoming.

That was clear they released Karlean for the BA and that etherial from Kauyon. Krom and Grukk should have been out a long time ago.

Ragnar69 wrote:Iron and fur... new Iron Priest maybe? Maybe even mounted?

Perhaps an Iron Priest Wulfen?

hordrak wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Krom Dragongaze rerelease incoming.

That was clear they released Karlean for the BA and that etherial from Kauyon. Krom and Grukk should have been out a long time ago.

Absolutely. Though he will probably be released as a generic Wolf Lord and get a dataslate like Karlaen did, though they could also put his stats in the Warzone: Fenris book. Perhaps there will be two campaigns, like they did with Warzone: Damocles.

So wulfen were WD 106, someone has the next WD 107 and has a teaser for WD 108 with bjorn (iron and fur)??? did i get it correctly???

No, these pics are from issue 106, including the teaser. This is a painting teaser which is most likely just what is says about painting metal and fur in issue 107 There are no rumors about an Iron priest or other models except for a re-release of Krom and a new Ulrik/Wolf Priest model. Imo this will be a mixed 40k/AoS/FW preorder week also ending the releases for the campaign, with a chance (no rumors have appeared yet) for a second book set later this winter. And we could see more repacked SW kits next week like Skyclaws.

Bjorn doesn't need a new model. He got a nice looking new plastic kit the last time Wolves got new models.

So quick question which I'm not sure (haven't seen in any case...) has been answered. It looks confirmed we're getting new formations for the companies, but possibly not a new codex. Do we know if, like the tau, we're getting an update at all? It would seem a travesty for GW not to use the opportunity to adjust out dreads etc. To be in line with codex marines/DA. Likewise are we getting a new detachment, or just formations to slot in with our current ones?

We dont know yet Better wait for WD issue 107 (the one after the Wulfen) for more infomation about further releases and the campaign book leaks inbetween.

What did Krom screw up on Sanctus Reach?

 warboss wrote:
What did Krom screw up on Sanctus Reach?

Instead of following orders he went chasing Grukk and lost lots of men for no gain.

 warboss wrote:


They look like werewolves in power armor jeans shorts and tank tops... and I say that about the guy on the left that is my "favorite" of the bunch. My comments about the rest are less flattering.

So.. basically they are Good Guy Khorne Berzerkers, with more toys and better rules?

I'm just hoping they would pay CSM half the attention, there's so many cool things in the Chaos camp that could sell as well or better.

Warhams-77 wrote:
No, these pics are from issue 106, including the teaser. This is a painting teaser which is most likely just what is says about painting metal and fur in issue 107 There are no rumors about an Iron priest or other models except for a re-release of Krom and a new Ulrik/Wolf Priest model. Imo this will be a mixed 40k/AoS/FW preorder week also ending the releases for the campaign, with a chance (no rumors have appeared yet) for a second book set later this winter. And we could see more repacked SW kits next week like Skyclaws.

Krom and Ulrik are fine too. But man, how did we survive so long without a painting guide for iron and fur... So difficult...

Cannot find the post but read earlier that people were thinking Ulrik would get the new hellfrost hammer. But from the image I've seen it seems really clear that he is equiped with a crozius (As I would want it to be should be added)

 CT GAMER wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
There's lots they can do:

Lightning Masadon Cavalry
Space Viking Long Boats-oh right got those
and um...

OK I'm dry.

I predict a dreadnought with a cannon that shoots out full,grown Fenrisian Wolves and a giant axe taller than ten men.

Of course he himself will be riding a giant robotic wolf who is in turn dropped from a special storm talon formation with no scatter and the ability to assault the turn he arrives.

You know, nothing extreme...

So a dreadnought riding this?