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Davylove21 wrote: If we're going to talk about fluff reasons for terminator armies on the tabletop, isn't it a case of 'if the fuhrer wants it, 2+2 shall equal 5'?
GW's doublethink regarding fluff is endless when there's profit to be had.
First, this makes no sense. Deathwing troops have been around for 3 versions. Why is it just now that GW is doublethinking it?
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
Now, back on topic...
I am so excited to see my Dark Angels get a boost. Can't wait!
I don't really know what you said, so I'll re-phrase.
It's GW's fluff, you're going to play Terminators the way they tell you to next month, it's a moot discussion regarding fluff.
I re-read your text and it's still baffling. Especially that random part about GW being a charity. That was mental.
"If you don't have Funzo, you're nothin'!"
"I'm cancelling you out of shame, like my subscription to white dwarf"
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
Can't wait for this, the fighters looks good and I can now expand on my deathwin with more knights and probably redo my command squad because they look not that great lol compared to these guys
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Holy~Heretic wrote: From the army list entry in the most recent leak, it looks like Sammael has been chosen as a HQ but then all ravenwing are still in the FA slot
Can't you take Ravenwing-Attacksquads both in Troops and Fast Attackif you have Sammael in the current dex? Probably it's still the same and the geniuses of gw play testing just didn't took any Ravenwing as troops.
Playing mostly Necromunda and Battletech, Malifaux is awesome too!
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
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The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence?
When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
And yet here we all are......
Looking forward to seeing exactly how the unlocks will work for dark angels. Will determine how they work as allies or not.
People who stopped buying GW but wont stop bitching about it are the vegans of warhammer
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Makes great business sense that, giving away things for free.
Holy~Heretic wrote: From the army list entry in the most recent leak, it looks like Sammael has been chosen as a HQ but then all ravenwing are still in the FA slot
Wait, that is actually unnerving...
-Any terrain containing Sly Marbo is dangerous terrain.
-Sly Marbo once played an objective mission just to see what it was like to not meet every victory condition on his own.
-Sly Marbo bought a third edition rulebook just to play meat grinder as the attacker.
-Marbo doesn't need an Eldar farseer as an ally; his enemies are already doomed
-Sly Marbo was originally armed with a power weapon, but he dropped it while assaulting a space marine command squad just so his enemies could feel pain
-Sly Marbo still attacks the front armor value in assault, for pity's sake.
Tomb King wrote: The land speeder vengeance is a heavy support slot...
Which is to allow for Fluffy Ravenwing Armies to have something in that slot that they can use. Especially since the flyers are Fast attack.
wow ninja'd repeatedly. Damn you Initiative 1.
Do you mean I 10? 10 goes first, 1 goes last.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
Infintiy makes its rules available as free downloads from their website.
Fafnir wrote: In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
And yet here we all are......
Not sure who 'we all' encompasses, but some of us are no longer buying new codexes, at least while an $85 hardback is the only available option.
Lorizael wrote:Makes great business sense that, giving away things for free.
It can do. It's why companies have been giving away free samples for... well, about as long as there have been companies. Get people hooked, and they'll come back and buy more.
In the miniatures world, if your business model is built around selling miniatures rather than rules, then giving the rules away for free in order to encourage more people to play your game (and so buy your miniatures) is a viable option.
GW doesn't do it because (at least historically) there has been no need. We'll just have to wait and see if the switch to full-colour hardcovers (with the associated price tag) has any effect on their book sales.
Holy~Heretic wrote: From the army list entry in the most recent leak, it looks like Sammael has been chosen as a HQ but then all ravenwing are still in the FA slot
Wait, that is actually unnerving...
It looks like that is just the WD battle report army and IIRC they didn’t take Sammael as an HQ so the bikes would still be troops for that list. GW goons are notorious for taking the lamest lists in battle reports. The WD battle reports are staged and not about winning they are about showing off the product and it has been that way for many years.
So there is no reason to be worried yet
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Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
Infinity makes its rules available as free downloads from their website.
Yes, they do.
However they have a fairly good reason for it since Corvus Belli has had quite a few issues with printers and reaching the publish dates for their books. And not only that, but it will be at least another two or three months before "Campaign: Paradiso" and its units are available as free downloads, hopefully around the same time the Devil Team has their Army Builder and Campaign Tracker ready.
Mr. S Baldrick wrote: GW goons are notorious for taking the lamest lists in battle reports.
Not always deliberately... They're often limited by whatever the 'Eavy Metal guys have painted.
The WD battle reports are staged and not about winning they are about showing off the product and it has been that way for many years.
From what's been said in the past, it's not so much 'staged' as they play the game out a few times and publish the one that they think will make the best reading.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
GW currently give away the rules for some of their best games for free.
I downloaded them all onto my laptop because I'm fairly certain that in the not too distant future they'll decide to start charging for them as an ipad download or something.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
Infinity makes its rules available as free downloads from their website.
Yes, they do.
However they have a fairly good reason for it since Corvus Belli has had quite a few issues with printers and reaching the publish dates for their books. And not only that, but it will be at least another two or three months before "Campaign: Paradiso" and its units are available as free downloads, hopefully around the same time the Devil Team has their Army Builder and Campaign Tracker ready.
So they provide the rules free because they can't make their publishing dates but the free rules are only available after the hard copies have been published? Nice try. And the free rules wiki is there because?
They want people to play then game the rules are free and it enables them to keep them updated for the gaming community. If people want the fluff they have to buy the books and people still most certainly do.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
Infinity makes its rules available as free downloads from their website.
Yes, they do.
However they have a fairly good reason for it since Corvus Belli has had quite a few issues with printers and reaching the publish dates for their books. And not only that, but it will be at least another two or three months before "Campaign: Paradiso" and its units are available as free downloads, hopefully around the same time the Devil Team has their Army Builder and Campaign Tracker ready.
So they provide the rules free because they can't make their publishing dates but the free rules are only available after the hard copies have been published? Nice try. And the free rules wiki is there because?
They don't want people to just "dive in" and spend money on rulebooks/models without knowing if they will like the game?
Seriously. That is the reasoning they have given before.
However you're confusing two separate issues. Ask around about the stock availability of the rulebooks for Infinity. A large number of places will tell you that stocking them continually is "problematic".
The "free rules wiki" that they have is primarily for those instances where someone thinks "the book just is not right". We all know those kinds of players, where they swear up and down that their version of the book which they left at home says something different.
They want people to play then game the rules are free and it enables them to keep them updated for the gaming community. If people want the fluff they have to buy the books and people still most certainly do.
People buy the books because they want the fluff and ready access to the army lists. You are going to be waiting a few months for the units from Campaign: Paradiso to be available for free, even via the Devil Team's Army Builder.
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Mr. S Baldrick wrote: GW goons are notorious for taking the lamest lists in battle reports.
Not always deliberately... They're often limited by whatever the 'Eavy Metal guys have painted.
The WD battle reports are staged and not about winning they are about showing off the product and it has been that way for many years.
From what's been said in the past, it's not so much 'staged' as they play the game out a few times and publish the one that they think will make the best reading.
Not exactly,
The tackling dummy for the new army is usually whatever Heavy Metal has laying around. For the new army they usually paint the stuff that will best show off the new product, because DW is about sales first hobby second gaming last.
They usually play anywhere from 2-4 games for the white dwarf and pick the one that makes the new army look good. Also if something really cool happened in the earlier games the recreate it for the latter. So yes I would call picking the game and putting in parts from previous games staging. I am not saying I have a problem with it because I know that the DW is about sales and the battle reports show me what the army can do, but let us call it what it is.
It's time to go full Skeletor
2012/12/31 23:22:55
Subject: Re:Here they are... Dark Angels Jan. 2013
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
I hate Belial. Just look at him. It's just the pose and complete lack of expression. You'd have thought he'd be slightly more impassioned. It just feels like a step back from the great models in DV...
BlapBlapBlap: bringing idiocy and mischief where it should never set foot since 2011.
BlapBlapBlap wrote:What sort of idiot quotes themselves in their sigs? Who could possibly be that arrogant?
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Sarcasm aside I would love it if you could provide examples I could check out of better written games with free rules.
Infinity is a fantastic game, with much better writing and depth than 40k (although it's a fairly convoluted ruleset that has a fair bit of learning curve, thankfully, nothing really feels forced or out of place), and you can get the rules online for free.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
And yet here we all are......
I haven't played a game of 40k in over 5 months now, and haven't bought a GW model in over a year. It doesn't change the fact that Dakka has a good community, caters to more than just one wargame, and provides news on a variety of miniature companies, not just GW. Furthermore, just because I don't play 40k anymore doesn't mean I can't maintain a passing interest in it, seeing as I used to enjoy the game, and enjoy the world of 40k.
Second, were you one of the people who voted in another thread that the rulebooks should be less than $20? Where is it written that GW is a charity and must sell products at or below cost?
In all fairness, better games give their rules away for free.
Makes great business sense that, giving away things for free.
Ask Corvus Belli. Their platform of giving out rules for free in order to support their models has worked wonderfully for them. Seeing as GW considers the whole 'gaming' bit to be a side operation to their models, you'd think that would be a solid business strategy for them to adopt, as opposed to $100 rulebooks.
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Can anyone tell from the pics so fare if DA still have combat squads. I might be getting old but I can't read a thing in those tiny pics. It would be odd if they didn't since DA were the first book to have them.
36 pages in, I'm not quite sure what that is exactly anymore...
Well I have enjoyed the 35 pages of bickering and bantering, if that is any consolation.
-Any terrain containing Sly Marbo is dangerous terrain.
-Sly Marbo once played an objective mission just to see what it was like to not meet every victory condition on his own.
-Sly Marbo bought a third edition rulebook just to play meat grinder as the attacker.
-Marbo doesn't need an Eldar farseer as an ally; his enemies are already doomed
-Sly Marbo was originally armed with a power weapon, but he dropped it while assaulting a space marine command squad just so his enemies could feel pain
-Sly Marbo still attacks the front armor value in assault, for pity's sake.
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