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 Ratius wrote:
And is the turbo laser now defunct since the blaster has a better profile?

That's how it's always been. The turbolaser is a Warhound weapon, the laser blaster is a Reaver weapon.

Wow, those Titan weapons are nasty- the Saturnyne Lascutter in particular is brutal, and I'm liking the Machine Destroyer rule.
Interesting how they have taken the Plasma Annihilator down the Plasma mortar route. Can be kitted out to be either excellent against other Engines, or brutal at remving large swathes of the enemy army.

Ah ok gotcha.

 Ratius wrote:
How on Earth did the vulcan not get juiced up?
A knights gatling gun is comparable to it.

And is the turbo laser now defunct since the blaster has a better profile?

It costs 100pts to upgrade the Warlord shoulder mounts from Turbolasers to Blasters.
Well, the Vulkan still has more shots, but yeah, it only seems to be useful for a bit of AA on the Titan. It would be ok if the Titan could use the fire-twice-if-stationary rule that other Vulkan equipped models get.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Titan weapon profiles:

Does this mean that you have the book? If so, could you answer some questions about the imperial militia list?

1) What are the grenadiers (troops choice)?

2) Is the thunderbolt the same as the one in HH4 (BS 4, AA missiles)?

3) What are the HQ choices?

1) They are like Imperial Guard vets with a 4+, BS4, replace 2 with special weapons, up to 18 in a squad, which must be a misprint as the squad starts at 10 and can take a gorgon if 20 models in size.

2) Yes

3) Discipline Master Cadre (comisar), Rogue Psyker (has demon rule), Imperialis Aux Platoon Cadre (Imperial Guard command squad)

 Looky Likey wrote:
1) They are like Imperial Guard vets with a 4+, BS4, replace 2 with special weapons, up to 18 in a squad, which must be a misprint as the squad starts at 10 and can take a gorgon if 20 models in size.

Interesting. Do they get the AP 3 lasguns of 40k grenadiers?

Imperialis Aux Platoon Cadre (Imperial Guard command squad)

The IG HQ command squad (BS 4, regimental standard, etc) I assume? Do they get 4x special weapons like codex IG command squads, or is this another example of FW's habit of making useless IG command squads with only 1-2 special weapons?

 Ratius wrote:
How on Earth did the vulcan not get juiced up?
A knights gatling gun is comparable to it.

And is the turbo laser now defunct since the blaster has a better profile?

But Warhounds can only take Turbos, whereas only Reavers and Warlords get access to the Blaster.

I'm digging the new weapons, glad to see they haven't gone over the top with "OMG this weapon kills anything and everything to die to death forever", they're just the Reaver weapons upgraded to a degree.

Surprised Volcano cannons haven't got melta...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Surprised Volcano cannons haven't got melta...

What would be the point?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
1) They are like Imperial Guard vets with a 4+, BS4, replace 2 with special weapons, up to 18 in a squad, which must be a misprint as the squad starts at 10 and can take a gorgon if 20 models in size.

Interesting. Do they get the AP 3 lasguns of 40k grenadiers?

Imperialis Aux Platoon Cadre (Imperial Guard command squad)

The IG HQ command squad (BS 4, regimental standard, etc) I assume? Do they get 4x special weapons like codex IG command squads, or is this another example of FW's habit of making useless IG command squads with only 1-2 special weapons?

No, Auxilia Rifles, S3, AP-, assault 1, no option for any sort of hotshot lasgun. Worked out how to get to 20 in a unit, the special weapons guys are add ons not replacements.

No real special weapon options outside grenade launchers for the entire squad and bunch of things like laslocks, boltguns and shotguns.

Missed the force commander for HQ options.

 Looky Likey wrote:
No, Auxilia Rifles, S3, AP-, assault 1, no option for any sort of hotshot lasgun.

Well that's kind of disappointing. The "dark age survivors" upgrade gives you a nice 3+ armor save, but they're not going to hit very hard.

Missed the force commander for HQ options.

Is this an IC like the HH4 list had for a HQ option?

Does the Warlord have any other rules aside from the new Titan rules from earlier? I heard something about Armoured Ceramite but saw nothing else on it. Anything about it blowing up spectacularly?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Surprised Volcano cannons haven't got melta...

What would be the point?

Because GW aren't above handing out pointless rules for fluff reasons, and it's a fething Volcano Cannon.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Surprised Volcano cannons haven't got melta...

What would be the point?

Because GW aren't above handing out pointless rules for fluff reasons, and it's a fething Volcano Cannon.

Which is S10 AP1 on a warlord and S10 AP2 on the Reaver. So like Peregrine said, what would be the point? Besides having a go at GW (which I accept is far from perfect) that is...

People need to check the batteries in their humour detectors.



Honestly, people are so uptight.

So is no one miffed about the blast gun overload being a 9 inch template.
I'm not particularly happy about needing to order a special made custom template size from a 3ed party to run my Warhound.

We can have pre-Heresy guardsmen with shotguns? Yay!

 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
No, Auxilia Rifles, S3, AP-, assault 1, no option for any sort of hotshot lasgun.

Well that's kind of disappointing. The "dark age survivors" upgrade gives you a nice 3+ armor save, but they're not going to hit very hard.

Missed the force commander for HQ options.

Is this an IC like the HH4 list had for a HQ option?

They get S4 Lasguns though with the Dark Age Survivors rule, and it would appear they can upgrade to Boltguns too, so not to bad. Sounds like you can make troops in the vein of the Technocracy- access to STC things like Power armour and Boltguns, just without the Genecraft of the Astartes.

It's also a great excuse to finally throw those generic power armour miniatures from that other company into the fray.

Azeroth133 wrote:
So is no one miffed about the blast gun overload being a 9 inch template.
I'm not particularly happy about needing to order a special made custom template size from a 3ed party to run my Warhound.

Or just get a bit of cardboard and measure a 9" diameter and cut it out? Or transparent plasticard? Simples.

 Azreal13 wrote:
People need to check the batteries in their humour detectors.

My humor detector doesnt have batteries. If it did, I would change them.

Azeroth133 wrote:
So is no one miffed about the blast gun overload being a 9 inch template.

Not really, because it's obviously a typo. In all other sources it's a 10" blast, and it explicitly calls it an apocalyptic blast.


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 Haighus wrote:
They get S4 Lasguns though with the Dark Age Survivors rule, and it would appear they can upgrade to Boltguns too, so not to bad. Sounds like you can make troops in the vein of the Technocracy- access to STC things like Power armour and Boltguns, just without the Genecraft of the Astartes.

Yeah, but STR 4 lasguns (if they can even take them, they weren't on the quoted list) is kind of weak. What I was hoping for was the AP 3 lasguns that 40k grenadiers get, which would then become STR 4 AP 3 with the "dark age survivors" upgrade. So, not quite marines in toughness, but some really impressive firepower. But I guess we can't do that in the game where most armies are marines.

 warboss wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
People need to check the batteries in their humour detectors.

My humor detector doesnt have batteries. If it did, I would change them.

Nice catch.

 Peregrine wrote:

Azeroth133 wrote:
So is no one miffed about the blast gun overload being a 9 inch template.

Not really, because it's obviously a typo. In all other sources it's a 10" blast, and it explicitly calls it an apocalyptic blast.


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 Haighus wrote:
They get S4 Lasguns though with the Dark Age Survivors rule, and it would appear they can upgrade to Boltguns too, so not to bad. Sounds like you can make troops in the vein of the Technocracy- access to STC things like Power armour and Boltguns, just without the Genecraft of the Astartes.

Yeah, but STR 4 lasguns (if they can even take them, they weren't on the quoted list) is kind of weak. What I was hoping for was the AP 3 lasguns that 40k grenadiers get, which would then become STR 4 AP 3 with the "dark age survivors" upgrade. So, not quite marines in toughness, but some really impressive firepower. But I guess we can't do that in the game where most armies are marines.

I meant they were S4 after the "upgrade" from the Dark Age Survivors rule, not S4 base, although didn't one of the Wargear options mention Laslocks, which are S4 base?

 Haighus wrote:
I meant they were S4 after the "upgrade" from the Dark Age Survivors rule, not S4 base, although didn't one of the Wargear options mention Laslocks, which are S4 base?

What I mean is that they only get militia rifles (single shot lasguns) by default, and the list of upgrade options Looky Likey gave doesn't include lasguns. So if you can take lasguns they'd be STR 4, but are proper lasguns actually an option?

Edit: and looking elsewhere it seems they are. Still, I wish they had proper grenadier rifles.

 Haighus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
No, Auxilia Rifles, S3, AP-, assault 1, no option for any sort of hotshot lasgun.

Well that's kind of disappointing. The "dark age survivors" upgrade gives you a nice 3+ armor save, but they're not going to hit very hard.

Missed the force commander for HQ options.

Is this an IC like the HH4 list had for a HQ option?

They get S4 Lasguns though with the Dark Age Survivors rule, and it would appear they can upgrade to Boltguns too, so not to bad. Sounds like you can make troops in the vein of the Technocracy- access to STC things like Power armour and Boltguns, just without the Genecraft of the Astartes.

Or use Dark Age Survivors with Abhumans to creat a army of short T4 Abhumans who wear power armour and use land raiders. If only their was a name for this short technologically advanced race.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
I meant they were S4 after the "upgrade" from the Dark Age Survivors rule, not S4 base, although didn't one of the Wargear options mention Laslocks, which are S4 base?

What I mean is that they only get militia rifles (single shot lasguns) by default, and the list of upgrade options Looky Likey gave doesn't include lasguns. So if you can take lasguns they'd be STR 4, but are proper lasguns actually an option?

Edit: and looking elsewhere it seems they are. Still, I wish they had proper grenadier rifles.

I am pretty sure that only DKoK grenadiers (and stormtroopers/scions, obviously) actually get AP3 guns. Normal IG grenadiers get standard lasguns. So the lack of hotshots is a not a surprise.

Because of the vast swathes of footslogging MEQ in 30k, AP3 is understandably more expensive and rare.

 Lockark wrote:

 Haighus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
No, Auxilia Rifles, S3, AP-, assault 1, no option for any sort of hotshot lasgun.

Well that's kind of disappointing. The "dark age survivors" upgrade gives you a nice 3+ armor save, but they're not going to hit very hard.

Missed the force commander for HQ options.

Is this an IC like the HH4 list had for a HQ option?

They get S4 Lasguns though with the Dark Age Survivors rule, and it would appear they can upgrade to Boltguns too, so not to bad. Sounds like you can make troops in the vein of the Technocracy- access to STC things like Power armour and Boltguns, just without the Genecraft of the Astartes.

Or use Dark Age Survivors with Abhumans to creat a army of short T4 Abhumans who wear power armour and use land raiders. If only their was a name for this short technologically advanced race.

Demiurg?

I thought people might be interested in the scale diagram I did, based on the measurements by 'looky likey'. 23 to the top, 20 to carapace, 17 wide and deep.

The image of the warlord is from http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/warlord-titan-poster.html corrected for skewness. If anybody has a higher resolution version of that image, perhaps it's also in th

Very nice