Finecast - An actual flaw count.

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**Morathi's Darkest Sin**

Aurelia wrote:
My husband got a Nurgle daemon prince at the same time and he seems to be fine and indeed due to being Nurgle, some of the minor flaws on him add to the character of the model. I did notice that he seemed quite warped though but until hubby begins putting him together will not know if thats going to be a problem. As for my lovely Succubus, its going to be amusing to phone up GW and see what they expect me to do with her. If they suggest I resculpt the nose... (I could just manage it but most people probably cannot.) ...I may just end up in fits of laughter!

Aye, I'm a little worried about the sword being bent out of shape due to the chains that are on it. However in comparrison, the flaws on mine where very minor, or had the good fortune of being on a side that will nearly impossible to see once together.

The big positive is the weight, consdiering this fella is bigger bulk wise than my Khorne DP, it'll be a bit of mind blown situation once both are painted and you pick them up. Will also be able to see how easy it is to convert as well. Aurelia's had a nightmare adding the Bloodthirster wings to my Khorne DP, where I have the plastic Balrog wings to add to this Nurgle one.

**AvatarForm**

Aurelia wrote:Bought the Dark Eldar Succubus from GW direct (online) and it arrived this morning...

At a glance she looked fine (without taking her out of the blister) but then I opened it up and the list of problems began. Aside from similar problems (in the same places) as AvatarForm had with his, my girl also had no chin (a lovely gaping hole of an airbubble), horrifically scarred hair that would require GS and a little sculpting to fix, a badly pock marked back banner (would look very Nurgle), a deformed whip with chunks missing (don't look like airbubbles) and varying other rough/pockmarked areas that need to be fixed before I'd even consider painting the model. And I missed the worst bit for a while (not sure how), double checked her before making this post and suddenly realised her nose was little more than an airbubble purged sliver of flack. Cue the rant in the living room!

Yes it was a blind purchase but the quality is just stupidly bad. My husband got a Nurgle daemon prince at the same time and he seems to be fine and indeed due to being Nurgle, some of the minor flaws on him add to the character of the model. I did notice that he seemed quite warped though but until hubby begins putting him together will not know if thats going to be a problem. As for my lovely Succubus, its going to be amusing to phone up GW and see what they expect me to do with her. If they suggest I resculpt the nose... (I could just manage it but most people probably cannot.) ...I may just end up in fits of laughter!

Thus far finecast is very hit and miss for me... will be buying plastic Dark Eldar and converting a alot instead as I am not inclined to trust this product with delicate models.

I think perhaps we need the more pro-hobbyists to do up a Sticky thread for Fineco$t preparation and repairs...

All I can suggest is a 1:1 Miliputt: Water wash over the imperfections/airbubbles after you have re-sculpted the missing fingers/appendages/details...

However, as already stated, in the finest, highest quality figures we've ever seen these flaws should not exist, nor should we be paying to QC GW's shoddy work...

**AvatarForm**

Got my hands on another... I love that people want to buy these for me... it means I dont feel bad if they arent the greatest thing since sliced bread.

It is an Inq Coteaz, I think once this is cleaned up, I will convert it into a Rune Priest.

Pics and step-by-step to come.

**-Loki-**

Seems relevant to the thread - while I'm impressed with Finecast, my Zoanthropes have started to bend at the join where the tail meets the Tyranid terrain... bit that connects to the base.

Granted they've been standing for a cuple of weeks now, but my Winged Hive Tyrant has been stand on one leg for over 6 months without this happening. Not a hard fix, just run the join under hot water and bend back, then cold water, but it's an annoyance. They'll definitely be lying down in my case when I get it.

**Sidstyler**

That doesn't sound good. So you don't have to put weights in the bases to keep them standing like the metal ones, but they'll start to bend under their own weight if you leave the model on display. :\

**-Loki-**

To be fair, the join there is thin. Really thin. And it's supporting the entire Zoanthrope. And I'd take that over the model toppling every time it sat on a grain of sand.

**Mr. Self Destruct**

It's not mine, but my dad bought a Prince Apophas to finish his TK army and most of the scarabs on his back were covered in imperfections and bubbles.
Chalk that up as a flaw I guess.

**Kilkrazy**

-Loki- wrote:Seems relevant to the thread - while I'm impressed with Finecast, my Zoanthropes have started to bend at the join where the tail meets the Tyranid terrain... bit that connects to the base.

Granted they've been standing for a cuple of weeks now, but my Winged Hive Tyrant has been stand on one leg for over 6 months without this happening. Not a hard fix, just run the join under hot water and bend back, then cold water, but it's an annoyance. They'll definitely be lying down in my case when I get it.

You could fix that easily by pinning them.

**-Loki-**

Aaaand we're back to one of the things Finecast was meant to fix, no more pinning. Though for a different reason.

No, once they're gone into an army case the longest they'll be standing is a couple of games, so I don't see the need. I was just surprised, given how weightless the Finecast resin feels.

**Kilkrazy**

Isn't it ironic?

**H.B.M.C.**

Kilkrazy wrote:Isn't it ironic?

Don't'cha think?

**thesearmsarerob**

A little too ironic..

**Laughing Man**

And yeah, I really do think.

**Ouze**

IT'S LIKE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

**Sidstyler**

Well that happened.

**Laughing Man**

C-c-c-c-c-c-ombo breaker!

**H.B.M.C.**

Good work everyone ('cept you Sid... fethin' killjoy)!

**Sidstyler**

I thought about keeping it going but decided against it.

**-Loki-**

False alarm.

I got home and checked again. It's not that the Zoanthrope is bent, I just glued it at an angle when I stuck it to its base and never really noticed. I warmed the tail join and straightened it up, so I'll see how it goes.

**Portugal Jones**

So is it irony that it wasn't the resin after all?

**Sidstyler**

In any case I don't think it magically makes Finecast an awesome material. Just because there's one less thing to worry about it doesn't mean all of Finecast's other problems are suddenly mitigated by that one false alarm.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sidstyler wrote:Just because there's one less thing to worry about it doesn't mean all of Finecast's other problems are suddenly mitigated by that one false alarm.

Given that that's precisely the reason this thread was started, yeah, there are some among us who will use one good example as a way of (somehow) negating all the bad ones.

**Gymnogyps**

Purchased Savage Orc Shaman on Boar. His head feathers were so thin they looked more like fish bones. I had to fill it in with glue, thus losing any detail. This is the best of any that I have purchased. Best models evar, and I'm relieved that the only thing wrong is my headdress feathers look mushy. Who woulda thought.... it figures.

Conclusion: I am very unhappy, but I feel like my concerns would not be heard. Since every FC model I have purchased has had these flaws, this is just what they are. Substandard.

I have given this concept enough of my money. No more finecast for me.

Edits: cuz I had to.

**Khorne Flakes**

Lanrak wrote:Mr Mystery.
As Finecast is promoted and marketed as 'Highest quality possible, premium product.'
I would suggest ANY flaws are not aceptable.

Simple use of sampling plans to BS 6000 would allow GW plc to determine the level of errors at source.
And as they has relativley few errors in the metal minatures , I assume they used this sort of quality procedure before.
(I have bought over 500 metal minatures from GW and only ever had ONE mis-pack.Not even ONE mis cast.)

So its not that fact that a quantity of Finecast minatures has flaws.

But the fact that the product was released to distributors /retailers KNOWING it was flawed.(This is the only reason I can see for the incresed return rate.)

Because returns do NOT show up in detail on financial reports .
However a delay in shipments , or reduced out put due to rejections for inferior quality generaly do!

I honestly dont beleive that you bought 500 models and also the fact that you had no mis packs or mis anything!

**Andrew1975**

I honestly dont beleive that you bought 500 models and also the fact that you had no mis packs or mis anything!

It's not that hard really. Especially if he's an older player from when all there was was metal. In all the metal that I bought I only had 3 real problems, two were in the same box of harlequins (death jester was missing, one Har was missing a leg), the other was a withered leg on a which elf. With all my old armies, I'm sure I have close to 1000 metal minis. You could get GW metal minis for less than $1 sometimes. I used to get 5 metal dark elves for $5.

**yournamehere**

Well sense I left a post about a big mek with a couple flaws I feel its only fair that I leave a post about my newly acquired Incubi. I have finished cleaning off the models mold lines and getting them ready to be glued and I have found 0 problems, not even slight bending on all 5 models.

Now if all the fine cast came out looking like my Incubi people may have even enjoyed the change to fine cast, but no...

**Red_Lives**

i hate metal, i've always hated it. Its difficult to convert/modify, you need to drill holes and pin every single part if you want it to stay together.

Now i'm not saying Resin is perfect but in my experiences with it its still better than metal.

**Sidstyler**

yournamehere wrote:Well sense I left a post about a big mek with a couple flaws I feel its only fair that I leave a post about my newly acquired Incubi. I have finished cleaning off the models mold lines and getting them ready to be glued and I have found 0 problems, not even slight bending on all 5 models.

Now if all the fine cast came out looking like my Incubi people may have even enjoyed the change to fine cast, but no...

Wait, seriously? All the spikes are fully cast (chest/abdomen, arms, legs, shoulders, etc.), none of the horns on the helmets are chipped or broken, the trophy racks aren't missing any details like soulstones or other trophies due to bubbles, and you're telling me none of your swords were bent, miscast, or broken?

...you got pics?

If that's true then I envy you, I have three boxes of the damn things and none of them are 100% flawless.

i hate metal, i've always hated it. Its difficult to convert/modify, you need to drill holes and pin every single part if you want it to stay together.

I agree, metal is a pain in the ass. But it was reliable. None of the metal models I've bought from GW have been miscast, mispacked, or anything. My brother's had some bad luck with a couple models, though, but that's literally two models and a call to customer service got it straightened out.

I called customer service about my incubi and got more jank models. :\ I was looking forward to resin because of all the pros you listed, but I hate the price increase, and I hate the obvious decrease in quality.

**Red_Lives**

I haven't bought any finecast unit boxes yet but the only problems i've had so far are as follows.

On the Archon i bought 1 head was completely unuseable (the one with the face on the helmet) Due to air bubbles the face was more like a blob and un useable. Granted I wasn't going to use that one anyway

And a a Crowe model i Purchased I had some detail problems on the Sword but it wasn't anything some filler couldn't solve.

**pixelpusher**

I'd edit my old post but meh.

Got the time to go switch my Ghazzie. Said (to myself) "Feth it!" and got the one that was least messed up. Still required a ton of work to be acceptable. Redshirt even apologized since they couldn't visually inspect all the boxed Finecast kits (why not just open them up?) so I guess they really know that this(?) batch was FUBAR